IRC log of aapi on 2013-06-20

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Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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"WAI_PF" matches WAI_PFWG(HTML A11Y)2:00PM, and WAI_PFWG(AAPI)1:00PM, trackbot
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Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 20 June 2013
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scribenick: clown
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rrsagent, make log public
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RRSAgent: make mintues
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'make mintues', clown. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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RRSAgent: make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-aapi-minutes.html clown
17:06:38 [clown]
zakim, who is on the phone?
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sorry, clown, I don't know what conference this is
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, clown, MichaelC, davidb, trackbot
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zakim, this is WAI_PF
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ok, clown; that matches WAI_PFWG(AAPI)1:00PM
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see [GVoice]
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GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
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zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
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+Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
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zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
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ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jun/0004.html
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RRSAgent: make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-aapi-minutes.html clown
17:11:45 [Zakim]
+[Mozilla]
17:12:18 [davidb]
Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
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+David_Bolter; got it
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jun/0004.html
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topic: ACTION-1200
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action-1200?
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ACTION-1200 -- Cynthia Shelly to create table for author errors in UAIG, with columns for each API. -- due 2013-06-13 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200
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JS: regarding author errors.
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#document-handling_author-errors
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JS: Cynthia was going to add columns and value for each a11y platform.
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JS: Cynthia's proposall is here on wai-xtech: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jun/0002.html
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JS: I suggested a compromise — to link from the error table to the roles table.
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JS: But the more I think about it, the more I want to just fill in the error table.
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JS: there is the danger of keeping the two tables in sync.
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DB: yes, that's true.
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JS: so, I will take a stab at filling in the error table?
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DB: Sure, we can see how it looks, and if necessary, move it to the roles table later, if that looks better.
17:35:05 [davidb]
https://github.com/eeejay/specular
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https://github.com/askalski/mats
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topic: ACTION-1221
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ACTION-1221?
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ACTION-1221 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to for ISSUE-559, remove the text near the end of the section about ATK/AT-SPI about aria-atomic and member-of, and point to the aria-atomic='true' entry in the mapping table. -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1221
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JS: see also issue-559
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ISSUE-559?
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ISSUE-559 -- Missing member of relationships -- open
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/559
17:40:59 [clown]
look here, but scroll up a bit: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection
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Look for: Exposing additional useful information about the context of the change
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JS: the easy solution is to add: In ATK/AT-SPI *and IA2*.
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JS: previously we though to remove this, but reference the states and properties mapping table.
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JS: but that doesn't work because this is about events, and the mapping table is (mostly) about data.
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DB: so, how about just adding IA2?
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JS: works for me.
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JS: just need to confirm that it works that way for IA2.
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DB: I believe it does.
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resolved: Joseph to add "and MSAA+IA2" to the section on context changes where it already discusses ATK/AT-SPI (towards the end of section 5.8.2).
17:45:54 [davidb]
so when are all the APIs going to converge :)
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(DB and JS discuss ARIA's scope)
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topic: ACTION-1222
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action-1222?
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ACTION-1222 -- David Bolter to look into ISSUE-583, and think about section 4.3, step 4A to see if that answers the question. -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1222
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issue-583?
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ISSUE-583 -- Elements that are descendants of an element having aria-activedescendant should not all be focusable -- open
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/583
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DB: I *think* 4A. in section 4.3 is still fragile — or I'm unsure.
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JS: the problem is that not all descendants of a container that has a aria-activedescendant are intended to be "focusable".
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JS: Rich is asking for another criterion so that only the intended focusable descendants are marked focusable.
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JS: He suggests that the descendant must have an ID attribute.
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DB: but that won't always work since ID might be used for, say, styling.
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JS; right
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rssagent, make minutes
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-aapi-minutes.html clown
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chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-aapi-minutes.html clown
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s/JS;/JS:/
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-aapi-minutes.html clown
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s/rssagent, make minutes//
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-aapi-minutes.html clown
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, David_Bolter
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regrets: Cynthia_Shelly
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-aapi-minutes.html clown
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s/GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer//
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-aapi-minutes.html clown
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rrsagent, please part
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I see no action items