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07:51:56 <fsasaki> meeting: MLW-LT Dublin Showcase
07:51:59 <fsasaki> chair: Dave
07:52:17 <fsasaki> agenda: http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Dublin_June_2013_f2f_and_showcase#18_June_morning:_ITS_2.0_showcase
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07:59:51 <fsasaki> topic: Meeting start and ITS 2.0 birds eye view
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08:16:48 <demoPC> Topic; Yves Savorel presents OKAPI framework
08:17:52 <fsasaki> topic:: Simple Machine Translation, Translation Package Creation, Quality Check
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08:19:50 <fsasaki> s/Topic; Yves Savorel presents OKAPI framework//
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08:23:31 <Milan> present+ Milan
08:23:43 <fsasaki> present+ fsasaki
08:24:30 <fsasaki> present+ Ankit, Pablo, dave, omstefanov, Milan, Declan, chriLi, Stephen, K_Savkov, pnietoca, kfritsche
08:27:10 <omstefanov> Yves Savorel (ENLASO) presenting Okapi "Simple Machine Translation, Translation Package Creation, Quality Check " using slideshow http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/images/9/92/ENLASO-slides-Dublin-Jun2013.pptx
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08:27:40 <omstefanov> It would be good if Yves could also share the samples (HTML and XML) that he is presenting
08:29:58 <omstefanov> Yves is demonstrating by using the Okapi "Rainbow" program to "test run" his demo file with ITS 2.0 markup!
08:30:06 <omstefanov> Great demo/presentation !
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08:33:38 <omstefanov> demo has run successfully.
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08:34:44 <omstefanov> has left some "issues", strengthening the demo of using in this e.g. the MS MT engine to translate text not otherwise translated
08:35:21 <omstefanov> Yves is now demonstrating the XML doc output to show how an XLIFF processor could use output
08:35:32 <omstefanov> now showing a terminology match
08:36:25 <omstefanov> We absolutely need Yves' examples! Can't emphasize how effective Yves' presentation is !!!
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08:37:51 <omstefanov> Yves indicates that OmegaT is an OpenSource product that currently already understands some of ITS 2.0 data categories
08:38:40 <omstefanov> Yves now demonstrating running Quality check after main translation process
08:39:16 <Stephen> I know the schedule is tight, but can Yves describe the itsxlf namespace that he described as a bridge?  Will this required in XLIFF 2.0?
08:40:53 <K_Savkov> Does ITS 2.0 ruleas aalow to map to XLIFF resname attribute, apart from Id?
08:41:30 <omstefanov> Stephen: The answer is yes, it will be required in XLIFF 2.0. Hope you're hearing Yves' comprehensive reply
08:41:45 <fsasaki> hi stephen, k_savkov, here is more information about the mapping: xliff 1.2 http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_1.2_Mapping and xliff 2.0 http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/XLIFF_2.0_Mapping
08:41:56 <K_Savkov> thanks
08:42:08 <fsasaki> it contains also info about the namespace itsxlf: is a schema prefix for the namespace http://www.w3.org/ns/its-xliff/
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08:44:11 <Stephen> Thanks for the links!
08:44:16 <fsasaki> hi K_Savkov, the answer to your quesiton "Does ITS 2.0 ruleas aalow to map to XLIFF resname attribute, apart from Id?" is yes
08:44:38 <dF> Just to add to Yves' answer: In XLIFF 2.0 the its and itsxliff namespaces will get the status of the module, which will guarantee the roundtrip
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08:45:22 <dF> in XLIFF 1.2 and XLIFF 2.0 ITS is working as extension, where it does not use XLIFF core methods
08:45:34 <Stephen> Great presentation - huge potential, particularly for content authors!
08:46:41 <Yves_> To answer the question about ID and resname: Yes: The mapping basically says that any ID (e.g. defined using the IdValue rule) is mapped to resname.
08:46:56 <fsasaki> thanks a lot for the good feedback, stephen! Esp. the comment about content authors is very encouraging
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09:01:30 <omstefanov> Pedro Díez Orzas (Linguaserve) made a great business case for a CMS 2.0 implementation.
09:02:29 <omstefanov> Now Karl Fritsche (Cocomore) is explaining how his tool allows for annotating a document with ITS 2.0 data categories update.
09:03:03 <omstefanov> Karl has just done a live demo to translate the document, already translated into several other langs to also translate it into French
09:03:07 <Stephen> ** Someone needs to mute their mic! **
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09:05:23 <omstefanov> demo is now continuing with Mauricio talking, remotely from Madrid. Can be heard very well, even a bit too loud.
09:06:07 <omstefanov> Maricio is explaining the results of the translate action that Karl had just run at Cocomore, as these results have ended up at Linguaserve
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09:14:27 <omstefanov> Karl wraps up presentation by showing how French translation is now in the list, and then going "live" to the translated page
09:14:50 <fsasaki> link to ITS Jquery parser at http://plugins.jquery.com/its-parser/
09:16:21 <fsasaki> small demo with the ITS Jquery parser at http://attrib.org/jquery-its-example/
09:16:37 <fsasaki> topic: HTML-to-TMS Roundtrip using XLIFF with CMS-LION and SOLAS
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09:18:31 <fsasaki> solas demo link at http://demo.solas.uni.me/locConnect/index.php
09:18:43 <omstefanov> David Filip (UL) and Milan Marasek (Moravia) are starting a presentation of an HTML-TMS roudtrip using XLIFF with CMS-LION and SOLAS.
09:19:22 <omstefanov> David is showing SOLAS component MT-Mapper
09:20:38 <omstefanov> David explains that what SOLAS adds to the process is a "Broker", i.e. it understands ITS 2.0 and can send jobs, segment by segment to tools even if they do not understand ITS 2.0 themselves.
09:21:32 <omstefanov> Next, Text Analitics Broker is being explained. Their only current broker is "Tilde" (will be presented later in detail - by Tilde)
09:21:36 <fsasaki> present+ fredH, konstantionSakov, nausicaPopa, sebastianH, sorenBendtsen, stephenHolmes, vineet
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09:22:38 <omstefanov> Next Broker being explained is Target Populater, selects one of several alt translations for next step(s). Meant to be a decision maker.
09:23:38 <omstefanov> Another SOLAS component is LKR, the Localisation Knowledge Repository
09:25:11 <omstefanov> David is now creating a sample job to translated English into Spanish to show all the various steps. Category/domain chosen is geography.
09:26:00 <omstefanov> Uploading HTML5 source file. For HTML5 an external rules file is being used.
09:26:58 <omstefanov> SOLAS is creating XLIFF 1.2 based on HTML.
09:27:21 <omstefanov> Next step is to allow user to create a workflow by chosing from a set of components.
09:28:17 <omstefanov> These can be ordered by picking from a list of Components and ordering them into an initially empty list, Workflow.
09:28:56 <omstefanov> Once the workflow list has been created a job is uploaded
09:35:27 <omstefanov> David explains the job through the first 4 steps selected.
09:38:37 <omstefanov> Now Milan is explaining the steps programmed by Moravia, shows how different translation tools are selected based on markup.
09:39:04 <omstefanov> Next explains how additional markup, relating to quality confidence is injected into document
09:43:57 <omstefanov> David now explains how the SOLAS broker has called Milan's service as well as several MT engines and is now showing how it looks after being enriched by MT.
09:44:48 <omstefanov> One sees a number of Alt Translates from various engines.
09:46:04 <omstefanov> David explains that CMS/LiON controls the projects sent to SOLAS. Therefore they can be reviewed there when completed.
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10:23:34 <fsasaki_> topic: Online MT System Internationalization
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10:36:14 <Stephen> The sound is echoing pretty badly for me, I can just about make it out.  Sounds like his laptop mic is on :(
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10:40:15 <pnietoca> http://its2demo.aeat.es/AEAT.internet/Inicio.shtml
10:40:57 <pnietoca> http://www.agenciatributaria.es/AEAT.internet/Inicio.shtml
10:44:52 <fsasaki> present+ Tatiana
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10:49:51 <fsasaki> thanks a lot, pnietoca!
10:51:30 <fsasaki> present+ danielMcGowan, melHowes
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11:00:08 <fsasaki> topic: Reviewer's Workbench: Harnessing ITS Metadata to improve the human review process
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11:03:04 <fsasaki> present+ tadej
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11:07:16 <Stephen> Nice presentation Mel.  I think that the analytics component is really usefuL!
11:08:37 <fsasaki> https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/697800869
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11:11:36 <fsasaki> topic: ITS 2.0 Metadata and Machine Translation
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11:25:38 <fsasaki> topic: ITS 2.0 validation
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11:31:05 <fsasaki>  /me laughs about its-term=yves :)
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11:43:20 <SebastianSK> hi, there is an incredible loop back on the audio - hearing jirka twice....
11:46:30 <fsasaki> thanks, sebastian, just told people on gotomeeting to mute themselves, hope that this will help
11:47:45 <Sebastian_Hellmann> The moderator on Gotomeeting can also mute all participants, if they don't comply
11:48:48 <fsasaki> for ITS2 and HTML5 - XML workflows, see also https://github.com/kosek/html5-its-tools
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11:54:41 <Tatiana> the quality of audio is very low :((
11:54:52 <fsasaki> tadej? you are talking?
11:54:56 <Tatiana> we cannot hear you, Tadej :(
11:55:05 <Tatiana> better! :)
11:55:08 <fsasaki> now it's better!
11:55:56 <Tatiana> great!
11:55:57 <fsasaki> now it's better, just go on
11:59:09 <Tatiana> again :(
11:59:12 <Tatiana> ;(
11:59:19 <fsasaki> tadej, audio going down again
11:59:32 <fsasaki> now better again!
11:59:40 <Tatiana> ok :)
11:59:49 <Stephen> Hah, it's perfect when you're not presenting!  Go figure :-)
12:02:59 <Stephen> Sounds good!
12:12:08 <fsasaki> github link at https://github.com/tilde-nlp/taws/wiki/TAWS-Technical-Documentation
12:12:30 <fsasaki> (parser is in c#)
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12:30:27 <fsasaki> topic: remote presentations
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12:35:16 <fsasaki> SebastianSK, can you say something about the availibiltiy of the plugin?
12:35:26 <fsasaki> that is, avail. for download?
12:36:57 <fsasaki> thanks a lot, SebastianSK!
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12:39:40 <SebastianSK> The availability of the extension here http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center will be announced here: http://www.init.de/en/LibreOfficeWriter?ILO2
12:40:11 <fsasaki> thanks, sebastian
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14:04:52 <fsasaki> topic: afternoon topics
14:04:52 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Dublin_June_2013_f2f_and_showcase#18_June_afternoon:_WG_discussion_continued
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14:05:19 <daveL> present+ davelewis
14:08:50 <fsasaki> topic: special issue "localization focus"
14:13:09 <fsasaki> dF & daveL  will setup easychair to prepare submissions for special issue
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14:15:40 <leroy> present+ leroy
14:17:08 <fsasaki> potential contributors: ankit, pedro / karl, daveL / dF, sebastian / dom
14:17:31 <fsasaki> felix can contribute to SW / NIF
14:19:11 <fsasaki> people who submitted to FEISGILLT can upload to easychair
14:25:32 <fsasaki> jirka might contribute too
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14:26:02 <Yves_> present+ Yves
14:26:04 <fsasaki> topic: before publication of ITS2 spec
14:26:26 <daveL> scribe: daveL
14:26:36 <daveL> topic:preparing recommendation
14:27:03 <daveL> felix: will do technical work on preparing for final stages of publication
14:27:13 <daveL> ... what other dissemination opportunities?
14:28:03 <daveL> ... aim to release videos from today's session or similar
14:29:07 <daveL> ... would need to be a shorter if we were putting them on youtube
14:30:05 <daveL> ... also looking for each partner to put an ITs promotional page on their web page
14:30:51 <daveL> Felix: for video we should aim for a single youtube editors.
14:31:14 <daveL> Karl: points out that some are harder to shrink down - the cocomore/linguaserve one is ling
14:31:42 <daveL> davidF: have promised 1000 word article for multilignual magazine
14:33:53 <fsasaki> action: felix to nudge everybody about videos + 1pager (e.g. blog post, news etnry, ...) to be provide by 20 July
14:33:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-544 - Nudge everybody about videos + 1pager (e.g. blog post, news etnry, ...) to be provide by 20 July [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-06-25].
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14:36:00 <fsasaki> topic: Source code from Tilde
14:36:07 <fsasaki> https://github.com/tilde-nlp/taws
14:36:17 <daveL> felix: source code of tilde impementation now posted online
14:36:20 <fsasaki> https://github.com/tilde-nlp/taws/wiki/TAWS-Technical-Documentation
14:37:34 <daveL> felix: this is a general C# parser
14:37:54 <daveL> ...please pass on any comments
14:38:29 <fsasaki> topic: implementation page
14:39:27 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary
14:40:27 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/its implementations
14:40:36 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/its_implementations
14:41:30 <fsasaki> categories: parsers (javascript, java, c#,...)
14:41:47 <fsasaki> use case driven implementations (drupal editing), plugins
14:42:25 <fsasaki> ok to have same implementation multiple times in the wiki
14:43:01 <fsasaki> re-use "usage scenario doc" material
14:43:12 <fsasaki> and ponit to "usage scenario doc"
14:43:40 <fsasaki> action: felix to nudge implementers to provide input to http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/its_implementations
14:43:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-545 - Nudge implementers to provide input to http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/its_implementations [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-06-25].
14:44:17 <fsasaki> wikipedia page about ITS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalization_Tag_Set
14:45:17 <fsasaki> topic:  XML Schema for ITS
14:45:47 <daveL> felix: discussion on list about if we need it, or is it just a nice to have
14:47:22 <daveL> jirka: have changed own view, to be more in favour of this, to add examples of how to use ITS schema in own schema
14:47:40 <fsasaki> schema is avail.
14:47:46 <fsasaki> s/schema/xml schema/
14:47:54 <fsasaki> needs to be tested
14:48:23 <daveL> .. can developed and test this in one week. so should be in time for next stage. but should not be authoritative
14:49:11 <daveL> dF: only one should be authoritiative, though both could be normative as they are used for validation.
14:49:57 <daveL> ... so in case of conflict the relaxNG one is the authorative
14:50:15 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#list-of-elements-and-attributes
14:51:13 <daveL> jirka: relaxNG needs to be the more authoritative, since it is more fully expressive than XML schema
14:51:31 <fsasaki> have non-normative xml schema as appendix?
14:52:55 <daveL> dF: so agree XML schema as a non-normative appendix, and keep relaxNG as normative, and therefore the authoritative schema
14:55:11 <daveL> jirka: so add 'for convenience' note referencing the XML schema, in existing schema subdirectory
14:55:40 <fsasaki> have separate links for the schemas. all under http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/schemas/
14:56:19 <daveL> ... this is a persistent URL that can be referred to from the spec
14:56:40 <fsasaki> action: jirka to create ITS2 (xml) schema and to link them from the spec
14:56:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-546 - Create ITS2 (xml) schema and to link them from the spec [on Jirka Kosek - due 2013-06-25].
14:57:13 <fsasaki> topic: review feedback
14:57:38 <daveL> action: jirka to complete and put up schemas to http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/schemas/
14:57:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-547 - Complete and put up schemas to http://www.w3.org/TR/its20/schemas/ [on Jirka Kosek - due 2013-06-25].
14:59:09 <daveL> felix: EU project review, some outstanding items in feedback
15:00:14 <daveL> ... in terms of full version of pdf of deliverabes and accessibility of online resources.
15:04:35 <fsasaki> action: daveL to allocate time for 26 june call to discuss comments from kimmo and reviewers
15:04:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-548 - Allocate time for 26 june call to discuss comments from kimmo and reviewers [on David Lewis - due 2013-06-25].
15:05:12 <daveL> action: dlewis6 to put discussion of review comments on next week's call
15:05:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-549 - Put discussion of review comments on next week's call [on David Lewis - due 2013-06-25].
15:05:51 <fsasaki> topic: Best Practice Topics: 1) XLIFF mapping 2) PROV-O mapping 3) LQI mappings 4) CMS-interop and Readiness 5) CAT tool UI mapping
15:06:05 <daveL> topic: best practice
15:06:37 <fsasaki> s/topic: best practice//
15:08:27 <daveL> daveL: doesn't think CAT tool UI mapping is a tractable topic for best practice, given discussion last week at FEISGILTT
15:14:53 <fsasaki> action: felix to track xliff mapping and assure that it is done including testing - due 30 August
15:14:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-550 - track xliff mapping and assure that it is done including testing [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-08-30].
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15:18:23 <daveL> felix: apart form XLIFF mapping, rely on self-appointed champions for each to drive these forward.
15:18:38 <daveL> olaf: tow more comments
15:20:05 <daveL> .. first: interest from JAIMCATT, there is a meeting in strasbourg in april, so we might be contacted to represent ITS there
15:20:34 <daveL> ...second: have to leave now but aim to join us in berlin and madrid
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