IRC log of ua on 2013-06-13
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
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- Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 13 June 2013
- 16:47:59 [allanj]
- rrsagent, set logs public
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- regrets: Eric
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- Agenda+ Status Check - getting ready for LAST CALL!
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- Action+ Face 2 Face - finalize
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- Agenda+ Face 2 Face - finalize
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- Agenda+ Action-835 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/SC-by-test-type.htm review, test assignments
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- Agenda+ Action-836 Appendix E of Alternative Content
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- Agenda+ Crowd source implementation - we have spreadsheet!
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- Agenda+ reDux: Pause on Exit Flag http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013AprJun/0087.html
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- chair: JimAllan, KellyFord
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- WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
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- +Jeanne
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- +Jim_Allan
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- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Jan
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- + +1.661.748.aaaa
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- +Greg_Lowney
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- +Kim_Patch
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- +[Microsoft]
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- zakim, microsoft is kford
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- +kford; got it
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- zakim, microsoft is kford
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- sorry, kford, I do not recognize a party named 'microsoft'
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- zakim, microsoft is kford
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- sorry, kford, I do not recognize a party named 'microsoft'
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- zakim, aaaa is really Jan
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- +Jan; got it
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- +??P4
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- zakim, ??P4 is sharper
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- +sharper; got it
- 17:12:12 [allanj]
- zakim, agenda?
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- I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. Status Check - getting ready for LAST CALL! [from allanj]
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- 2. Face 2 Face - finalize [from allanj]
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- 3. Action-835 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/SC-by-test-type.htm review, test assignments [from allanj]
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- 4. Action-836 Appendix E of Alternative Content [from allanj]
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- 5. Crowd source implementation - we have spreadsheet! [from allanj]
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- 6. reDux: Pause on Exit Flag http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013AprJun/0087.html [from allanj]
- 17:14:18 [sharper]
- scribe: Harper_Simon
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- ScribeNick: sharper
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Status Check - getting ready for LAST CALL!" taken up [from allanj]
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- JA: Is there anything we have forgot before Last Call
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- JR: may receive stuff in comments as we move on which would help answer this questions.
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- JS: already have 2 comments - but other than that we are in good shape - but are there any loose ends - except UA defn.
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- JS: lets look over the document and see if it triggers anything over the next week.
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- RESOLVED: Check over the next week
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- zakim, close item 1
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- agendum 1, Status Check - getting ready for LAST CALL!, closed
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- zakim, take up item 2\
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- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Face 2 Face - finalize [from allanj]
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- '2\\' does not match any agenda item, sharper
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- zakim, take up item 2
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- agendum 2. "Face 2 Face - finalize" taken up [from allanj]
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- JA: Dates for f2f... August 27-29
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- JA: All OK?
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- All: all good with dates - KP / JA / JS / JR / SH (wont be able to make it)
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- RESOLVED: All well on f2f
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- GL: TPAC in Nov - do we need to talk about it?
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- GL: What are the logistics - will the group be working the 5 days - maybe too early
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- JS: Will be meeting for 2 days of the 5 days period m/t or t/f - Wed is the tech plenary day
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- 17:21:54 [jeanne]
- http://www.w3.org/2013/11/TPAC/
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- zakim, close item 2
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- agendum 2, Face 2 Face - finalize, closed
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- zakim, take up item 3
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- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. Action-835 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/SC-by-test-type.htm review, test assignments [from allanj]
- 17:23:18 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Action-835 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/SC-by-test-type.htm review, test assignments" taken up [from allanj]
- 17:24:14 [jeanne]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013AprJun/0095.html
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- JS: explaining / reading the Test content
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- JA: wasn't able to complete his last week.
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- JS: Welcome comments
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- KP: be useful for some of these had an example of actually doing this through a browser - ie putting a browser through this may make the test better.
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- GL: Really well put together - likes the way it is split and thinks it's clear - runs into trouble in test 2 - the flow to 3 only applies of a global switch
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- JS: tried to do it so it would go either (in context)
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- G:L: Leaving it upto the tester - could add a note
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- JR: needs to be combined - starts with loading the test - verbalising thoughts on the fly - text to follow:
- 17:30:54 [Jan]
- JR: I would combine the two tests...
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- JR: Start by loading in the test content known to contain alternatives
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- JR: Loop on the known alternatives
- 17:31:31 [sharper]
- JA: Could create a test page for this...?
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- JR: Make sure the choose mechanism is present (whether global or local)
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- JR: Then activate the mechanism and check to make sure it rendered
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- JA: will be coming to appendix E soon - for which I've started an exel sheet
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- s/exel/excel
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- -kford
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- JS: second one - reading from the mail text - to note 'sample alternative content' web page to write fro all types of alt content for testing purposes.
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- GL: May need to be multiple documents
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- GL: what are we concerned with
- 17:39:04 [allanj]
- http://www.w3.org/wiki/Open_Web_Platform
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- http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/MediaAccessibilityChecklist
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- http://www.w3.org/standards/
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- W3C standards define an Open Web Platform for application development that has the unprecedented potential to enable developers to build rich interactive experiences, powered by vast data stores, that are available on any device.
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- JA: we need to scope this
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- +[Microsoft]
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- JA: Most of this seems to be HTML - so maybe we need to scope test to this
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- JS: people can write test for this
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- GL: 1.1.1 there is alt content in SVG - can they still pass if they don't render this
- 17:44:53 [sharper]
- GL: they don't have to support his?
- 17:46:28 [allanj]
- in the browser declaration, we support these technologies. then they must be tested against them.
- 17:46:39 [sharper]
- RESOLVED: JS: will contact other in w3c re the scope and standrads
- 17:47:01 [allanj]
- s/standrads/standards
- 17:47:12 [jeanne]
- action: jeanne to research in W3C the breadth of technologies we will have to test against for CR. SVG? MathML? SMIL?
- 17:47:12 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-837 - Research in W3C the breadth of technologies we will have to test against for CR. SVG? MathML? SMIL? [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2013-06-20].
- 17:48:01 [sharper]
- Move back to discuss point 4 - what passed and what failed
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- JA: test page should help on this - in directions we should say write down what is missed (JS: added this text to test)
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- GL: discussing the language used in the text - looking for alternative ways to express this
- 17:52:32 [Greg]
- 3. For each piece of alternative content in the sample document:
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- 1) if the alternative content is not visible, select FAIL
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- 4. Select PASS.
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- JR: gave the ATAG perspective
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- JS: People should we pick one to complete for next week
- 17:54:49 [jeanne]
- Greg - 2.4.4
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- GL 2.4.4
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- JR: 2.12.2
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- s/12/11
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- JR: gives text for the way ATAG does things - black and white lists required by testers, as well as grey list - maybe an issue but not automatically flagged
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- ja: 1.7.1
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- JR: in summary we are gunna need a thrid list
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- JA: 1.7.1
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- SH 1.1.4
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- JR: I will do 2.11.2 Execution Placeholder
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- KP: 2.1.1
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- s/2.12.2/2.11.2
- 17:59:43 [allanj]
- zakim, who is here?
- 17:59:43 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Jeanne, Jim_Allan, Jan, Greg_Lowney, Kim_Patch, sharper, [Microsoft]
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- On IRC I see allanj, sharper, KimPatch, Greg, Jan, jeanne, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot
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- zakim, agenda?
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- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 3. Action-835 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/SC-by-test-type.htm review, test assignments [from allanj]
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- 4. Action-836 Appendix E of Alternative Content [from allanj]
- 18:00:39 [Zakim]
- 5. Crowd source implementation - we have spreadsheet! [from allanj]
- 18:00:39 [Zakim]
- 6. reDux: Pause on Exit Flag http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013AprJun/0087.html [from allanj]
- 18:01:02 [sharper]
- zakim, close item 3
- 18:01:02 [Zakim]
- agendum 3, Action-835 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/SC-by-test-type.htm review, test assignments, closed
- 18:01:04 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 18:01:04 [Zakim]
- 4. Action-836 Appendix E of Alternative Content [from allanj]
- 18:01:21 [sharper]
- zakim, take up item 5
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- agendum 5. "Crowd source implementation - we have spreadsheet!" taken up [from allanj]
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- GL: sent spreadsheet to the list
- 18:01:53 [allanj]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013AprJun/0086.html
- 18:02:41 [sharper]
- KP: discusses process for this.
- 18:03:38 [sharper]
- KP: can convert this to a google spreadsheet - how will crowdsourcing happen?
- 18:04:06 [sharper]
- KP: can just supply this via a link - or can sign up users via their google accounts
- 18:04:21 [sharper]
- KP: second way someone has to manage this
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- JS: safer
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- KP: safer but takes a little more time
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- JR: Slower on front - but trust the data better
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- JS: agreed
- 18:06:30 [sharper]
- RESOLVED: Google spreadsheet, and manage users via user names.
- 18:06:53 [sharper]
- KP: Could do this for other examples and resources.
- 18:07:48 [sharper]
- JR: we should limit the number of documents we have as changes may still occur - so reducing possibility for these to be contradictory is useful.
- 18:08:33 [sharper]
- KP: Different kinds of solutions to this being suggested.
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- -[Microsoft]
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- KP: is able to manage to get this up there.
- 18:10:56 [sharper]
- Action: KimPatch to hangle the google spreadsheet installation for crowdsourcing
- 18:10:56 [trackbot]
- Error finding 'KimPatch'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/users>.
- 18:11:36 [sharper]
- Action: Kim to handle the google spreadsheet installation for crowdsourcing
- 18:11:36 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-838 - Handle the google spreadsheet installation for crowdsourcing [on Kimberly Patch - due 2013-06-20].
- 18:16:43 [sharper]
- zakim, close item 5
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- agendum 5, Crowd source implementation - we have spreadsheet!, closed
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- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 4. Action-836 Appendix E of Alternative Content [from allanj]
- 18:16:51 [sharper]
- zakim, take up item 4
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- agendum 4. "Action-836 Appendix E of Alternative Content" taken up [from allanj]
- 18:17:17 [sharper]
- JA: has 20 Alt Contents from Appendix E - and created a spreadsheet
- 18:17:48 [allanj]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20130607/#alternative-content-list
- 18:20:55 [sharper]
- JA: other ideas re alt content
- 18:21:47 [sharper]
- JR: talks about accessibility information (not alt content) we tie to wcag (ie ATAG)
- 18:23:21 [Jan]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2013/ED-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20130220/#prompting-types
- 18:24:33 [sharper]
- JR: taking group through the list as above
- 18:26:00 [sharper]
- GL: Could think about this with regard to alt content being human readable - but meta data could be useful but not considered alt content
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- zakim, agenda?
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- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 4. Action-836 Appendix E of Alternative Content [from allanj]
- 18:27:57 [Zakim]
- 6. reDux: Pause on Exit Flag http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013AprJun/0087.html [from allanj]
- 18:28:07 [sharper]
- rrsagent, make logs public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-ua-minutes.html sharper
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- -Jan
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- -sharper
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- -Jeanne
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- -Jim_Allan
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- -Kim_Patch
- 18:28:37 [sharper]
- zakim, please part
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Jeanne, Jim_Allan, +1.661.748.aaaa, Greg_Lowney, Kim_Patch, kford, Jan, sharper, [Microsoft]
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- Zakim has left #ua
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-ua-minutes.html sharper
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- rrsagent, please part
- 18:29:11 [RRSAgent]
- I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-ua-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: jeanne to research in W3C the breadth of technologies we will have to test against for CR. SVG? MathML? SMIL? [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-ua-irc#T17-47-12
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- ACTION: KimPatch to hangle the google spreadsheet installation for crowdsourcing [2]
- 18:29:11 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-ua-irc#T18-10-56
- 18:29:11 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Kim to handle the google spreadsheet installation for crowdsourcing [3]
- 18:29:11 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-ua-irc#T18-11-36