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14:02:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2428
14:02:30 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
14:02:31 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:02:31 <trackbot> Date: 07 June 2013
14:02:39 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:02:39 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has not yet started, janina
14:02:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, janina, alex_, Loic, Zakim, David, Mike_P, korn, MichaelC, trackbot
14:03:49 <janina> zakim, this will be WAI_(WCAG2ICT)
14:03:49 <Zakim> ok, janina, I see WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM already started
14:03:50 <Zakim> +Judy
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14:04:19 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:04:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, ??P7, ??P10, [Microsoft], Peter_Korn, ??P14, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Judy
14:04:24 <Judy> Judy has joined #wcag2ict
14:04:37 <janina> zakim, ??P14 is Janina_Sajka
14:04:37 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
14:04:48 <Loic> Zakim, ??P10 is me
14:04:48 <Zakim> +Loic; got it
14:05:13 <Loic> Zakim, ??P7 is Mike_Pluke
14:05:13 <Zakim> +Mike_Pluke; got it
14:05:54 <janina> zakim, ??P14 is Janina_Sajka
14:05:54 <Zakim> I already had ??P14 as Janina_Sajka, janina
14:06:03 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:06:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Mike_Pluke, Loic, [Microsoft], Peter_Korn, Janina_Sajka, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Judy
14:07:15 <Mike_P> agenda+ Discuss the Survey on some "final" agreements for Friday 7th June [2] agenda+ Discuss the New glossary term "accessibility services of software and assistive technology" survey [3] agenda+ Action Item Review [4]
14:07:34 <Mike_P> agenda+ Discuss the New glossary term "accessibility services of software and assistive technology" survey [3]
14:07:47 <Mike_P> agenda+ Action Item Review [4]
14:08:05 <korn> See https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/edits-for-michael-post-2nd-public-draft for status
14:10:54 <Loic> zakim, mute me
14:10:54 <Zakim> Loic should now be muted
14:12:19 <korn> Please all also take a look at https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/to-do-before-3rd-final-public-draft
14:13:28 <Zakim> -Judy
14:13:33 <korn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/final_issues_7Jun/results
14:13:51 <Loic> zakim, unmute me
14:13:51 <Zakim> Loic should no longer be muted
14:14:33 <janina> scribe: janina
14:14:38 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
14:14:38 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Discuss the Survey on some "final" agreements for Friday 7th June [2] agenda+ Discuss the New glossary term "accessibility services of software and assistive
14:14:41 <Zakim> ... technology" survey [3] agenda+ Action Item Review" taken up [from 4 via Mike_P]
14:15:09 <janina> mp: Process note has general agreement
14:15:28 <janina> mp: Any objection to unanimous consent?
14:15:37 <janina> [crickets]
14:15:53 <janina> mp: Accepted
14:16:01 <janina> mp: Next is changes of context ....
14:16:31 <janina> mp: We have only a minor editorial correction ...
14:17:12 <janina> pk: Our notes are always outside the white-box. So is OK
14:17:42 <janina> mp: We have been consistent.
14:18:01 <janina> mp: White-box is reserved for WCAG content.
14:18:20 <janina> mp: Any objection to the convention re white-box content?
14:18:27 <janina> [crickets]
14:18:32 <korn> zakim, who is here?
14:18:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Mike_Pluke, Loic, [Microsoft], Peter_Korn, Janina_Sajka, Gregg_Vanderheiden
14:18:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see Judy, greggvanderheiden, RRSAgent, janina, alex_, Loic, Zakim, David, Mike_P, korn, MichaelC, trackbot
14:19:12 <korn> Loic - see 2.1.2 for example
14:19:34 <korn> Also 2.2.2
14:19:37 <janina> Loic: A nit perhaps, if we say "with our edit the text would read ..."
14:20:08 <janina> pk: Suggest this be taken up on Editor's List
14:20:31 <janina> mp: So deferred to the Editors.
14:21:25 <janina> mp: Any objection on "change of content?"
14:21:37 <janina> [crickets]
14:21:42 <janina> mp: Agreed
14:22:06 <janina> mp: For 3.2.1 on focus ...
14:22:17 <janina> mp: Agreement on survey, any additional considerations?
14:22:27 <janina> mp: Any objection?
14:22:39 <janina> [crickets]
14:22:42 <janina> mp: Agreed
14:23:03 <janina> mp: Next is changes to the Introduction
14:23:11 <janina> mp: We all seem happy with Andi's edits
14:23:54 <janina> mp: Peter proposed a para to be deleted,
14:24:23 <janina> mp: Any objection to intro as written by Andi, with the para beginning "Later drafts of this document ..." removed
14:24:36 <janina> [crickets]
14:24:39 <janina> mp: Agreed
14:24:46 <janina> pk: Wait, ... ... ...
14:25:23 <janina> pk: Para I suggested, hmmm, where is it?
14:26:07 <janina> pk: Just want to mark it as strike-through and highlight in red ....
14:26:09 <janina> pk: OK
14:26:17 <janina> mp: Agreed
14:26:23 <janina> mp: Final is changes to the title
14:26:34 <janina> mp: Survey had no objection
14:26:38 <janina> mp: Any objection now?
14:26:54 <janina> [crickets]
14:26:56 <janina> mp: Agreed
14:27:48 <janina> DRAFT RESOLUTION: alex_ All resolutions in this survey are approvedwith editorial changes as noted in the minutes above.
14:29:33 <janina> RESOLUTION: All resolutions in this survey are approved with the editorial changes as noted in the minutes above.
14:29:59 <janina> zakim, next item
14:29:59 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Discuss the New glossary term "accessibility services of software and assistive technology" survey" taken up [from 3]
14:30:05 <korn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/accessibility_services/results
14:30:07 <Mike_P> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/accessibility_services/results
14:30:33 <janina> mp: Two questions remaining
14:30:58 <janina> mp: Great unanimity on the first, but a diagression on services
14:31:24 <janina> gv: Agree what we discuss is best understood as a feature, not a service
14:32:06 <korn> q+
14:32:11 <Mike_P> +q
14:32:47 <janina> GV: OS have different roles, i.e. we should be clear to whom what is exposed
14:33:18 <janina> GV: So OS services expose to AT features
14:33:20 <korn> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#atdef
14:33:49 <janina> pk: Note 3 may already cover this
14:34:09 <janina> pk: On second thought, too tied to user agents
14:34:21 <korn> services provided by an operating system, user agent, or other platform software that enable non-Web documents or software to expose information about the user interface and events to assistive technologies or accessibility features of software
14:34:56 <janina> gv: Good for me
14:35:17 <janina> mp: I'm also OK
14:35:31 <janina> mp: Any counterview?
14:35:39 <janina> mp: Any objections?
14:35:46 <janina> [crickets]
14:35:49 <janina> mp: Agreed
14:37:42 <janina> DRAFT RESOLUTION: Group agrees to accept the revised 3a on the Wiki page
14:37:57 <janina> RESOLUTION: Group agrees to accept the revised 3a on the Wiki page
14:38:34 <janina> mp: One more, edits to remaining terms -- other terms
14:38:46 <janina> gv: So 3b is moot
14:39:49 <janina> pk: Believe we've also resolved GV's other comments common to both
14:41:39 <janina> mp: Noting Loic points out two notes re "programatically determined" -- not the same
14:41:56 <janina> pk: Did I edit one and not the other? Hmmm
14:43:03 <janina> mp: Suggest we concentrate on the note in red
14:43:13 <janina> pk: Do we need the parenthetical note above?
14:43:25 <janina> pk: Suggest dropping the parenthetical remark.
14:43:41 <korn> Note: Software typically enables content to be programmatically determined through the use of <key term link>accessibility services of platform software</key term link>. Non-Web documents typically enable content to be programmatically determined through the use of accessibility services of the user agent (which is a kind of platform software).
14:45:45 <janina> mp: OK, agreement to remove
14:45:50 <greggvanderheiden> +1
14:45:56 <korn> Note: Software typically enables content to be programmatically determined through the use of <key term link>accessibility services of platform software</key term link>. Non-Web documents typically enable content to be programmatically determined through the use of accessibility services of the user agent.
14:47:46 <janina> mp: Any objection to unanimous consent to accept common terms edits as now amended in the Wiki?
14:47:56 <janina> pk: Includes Principal 4 and Guidelines 4.1
14:48:08 <janina> [crickets]
14:48:11 <janina> mp: Agreed
14:48:52 <janina> DRAFT RESOLUTION: We accept the common terms as now entered in the Wiki
14:49:49 <janina> RESOLUTION: We accept the common terms as now entered in the Wiki
14:50:04 <janina> zakim, next item
14:50:04 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina
14:50:10 <janina> q?
14:50:20 <korn> q-
14:50:22 <janina> ack k
14:50:23 <Loic> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG2ICT-TF/track/actions/open
14:50:24 <janina> ack m
14:50:25 <Mike_P> q-
14:50:27 <janina> zakim, next item
14:50:27 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Action Item Review" taken up [from 4]
14:50:31 <Mike_P> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG2ICT-TF/track/actions/open
14:51:15 <janina> mp: First item, Andi believes is dealt with completely in the intro
14:51:48 <janina> mp: Believe largely an editorial matter now
14:51:54 <janina> mp: Any discussion?
14:52:21 <janina> zakim, close action-95
14:52:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close action-95', janina
14:53:13 <janina> mp: Now Action-96
14:53:16 <janina> action-96?
14:53:16 <trackbot> ACTION-96 -- Peter Korn to develop a WCAG2ICT Note to "change of context" glossary term (and/or to SC 3.2.1: On Focus) -- due 2013-05-10 -- OPEN
14:53:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG2ICT-TF/track/actions/96
14:53:38 <janina> pk: It's done
14:53:43 <janina> action-96 close
14:53:55 <janina> mp: Next ...
14:54:30 <janina> action-97?
14:54:30 <trackbot> ACTION-97 -- Gregg Vanderheiden to propose modification to WCAG 2.0 ERRATA for SC 1.3.1 to clarify structure wrt collections of web pages -- due 2013-05-10 -- CLOSED
14:54:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG2ICT-TF/track/actions/97
14:54:32 <janina> gv: done
14:54:38 <janina> rrsagent, close action-97
14:54:38 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'close action-97', janina.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:54:58 <janina> zakim, next item
14:54:58 <Zakim> I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, janina
14:55:17 <janina> topic: Decisions about Document Draft
14:55:24 <korn> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/to-do-before-3rd-final-public-draft
14:56:16 <janina> pk: Believe we've now closed all glossary terms
14:56:46 <janina> pk: Hmmm, looking at the wrong doc!
14:57:36 <janina> pk: Judy may have some updates ...
14:57:55 <janina> pk: In the intro
14:58:18 <janina> pk: We've cleared all actions
14:59:27 <janina> [checking the checklist ...]
15:00:06 <janina> mp: I've been shadowing your iteration, Peter. Looks good.
15:00:25 <janina> mp: If Judy does edit the intro, we'll need to review that.
15:00:44 <janina> mp: Remaining changes simply need to be made, then we likely need a final approval round.
15:01:10 <janina> mp: Is there more to do in telecons?
15:01:33 <janina> pk: I think not.
15:02:00 <janina> mp: If a new intro from Judy, we may want to survey.
15:02:10 <janina> mp: If minor, perhaps not.
15:02:29 <janina> mp: If substantive, we may need a telecon to discuss.
15:02:41 <janina> mp: Then, we need a final approval.
15:02:48 <janina> mp: I'm unable next Friday
15:02:53 <janina> pk: I can, if need be.
15:03:11 <janina> pk: We'll need WCAG-WG approval as well
15:03:38 <janina> mp: Tentative telecon for Friday 13 June next
15:03:54 <janina> s/13/14/
15:04:46 <janina> mp: Believe we can adjourn!
15:04:58 <Zakim> -Peter_Korn
15:05:16 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:05:25 <janina> zakim, bye
15:05:25 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were David_MacDonald, [Microsoft], Peter_Korn, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Judy, Janina_Sajka, Loic, Mike_Pluke
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15:05:30 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
15:05:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/07-wcag2ict-minutes.html janina
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