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16:47:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
16:47:22 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
16:47:23 <trackbot> Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
16:47:23 <trackbot> Date: 06 June 2013
16:47:28 <allanj> rrsagent, set logs public
16:47:44 <allanj> regrets: Simon, Eric
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16:49:35 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
16:49:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/06-ua-minutes.html allanj
16:50:07 <allanj> zakim, agenda?
16:50:07 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
16:50:31 <allanj> Agenda+ Face 2 Face
16:50:56 <allanj> Agenda+ ACTION-833 - Craft a draft response to HTMLWG about the bug 13624 for UAWG review.
16:51:20 <allanj> Agenda+  Appendix E of Alternative Content
16:51:35 <allanj> Agenda+ Action-835 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/SC-by-test-type.htm review, test assignments
16:51:46 <allanj> Chair: Jim Allan and Kelly Ford
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17:00:19 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
17:00:26 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:00:45 <kford> zakim, microsoft is kford
17:00:45 <Zakim> +kford; got it
17:01:10 <Zakim> +Jim_Allan
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17:01:46 <Zakim> +Jeanne
17:02:02 <Zakim> +Greg_Lowney
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17:03:26 <Jan> zakim, code?
17:03:26 <Zakim> the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Jan
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17:05:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:06:02 <Jan> zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
17:06:02 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
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17:08:50 <allanj> zakim, open item 1
17:08:50 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Face 2 Face" taken up [from allanj]
17:09:17 <allanj> kf: possible conflict for f2f, can we move to August
17:09:34 <allanj> all: discussion...3 week in August
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17:19:28 <allanj> kf: f2f moved to Aug 27-29 tenatively
17:20:26 <allanj> zakim, close item 1
17:20:26 <Zakim> agendum 1, Face 2 Face, closed
17:20:27 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:20:27 <Zakim> 2. ACTION-833 - Craft a draft response to HTMLWG about the bug 13624 for UAWG review. [from allanj]
17:20:38 <allanj> zakim, open item 2
17:20:38 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ACTION-833 - Craft a draft response to HTMLWG about the bug 13624 for UAWG review." taken up [from allanj]
17:21:11 <allanj> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013AprJun/0079.html
17:21:39 <kford> JA: next item is a response.
17:21:48 <kford> JA: Anyone have issues?
17:22:00 <kford> Nothing heard.
17:22:06 <allanj> scribe: kford
17:23:55 <kford> JA clarifies response, opted to keep things simple in the response.
17:24:07 <kford> KP: Looks good to me.
17:24:15 <kford> JA: I will ship it out the door.
17:24:20 <kford> zakim, close item 2
17:24:20 <Zakim> agendum 2, ACTION-833 - Craft a draft response to HTMLWG about the bug 13624 for UAWG review., closed
17:24:22 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:24:22 <Zakim> 3. Appendix E of Alternative Content [from allanj]
17:24:29 <allanj> close action-833
17:24:29 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-833 Craft a draft response to HTMLWG about the bug 13624 for UAWG review..
17:24:40 <kford> zakim, take up item 3
17:24:40 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Appendix E of Alternative Content" taken up [from allanj]
17:26:27 <kford> JA: Shout out to Jeanne for getting the mobile examples completed. Nice work.
17:26:33 <allanj> http://www.w3.org/TR/IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20/mobile
17:28:44 <kford> zakim, take up item 3
17:28:44 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Appendix E of Alternative Content" taken up [from allanj]
17:29:22 <kford> GL: Will the mobile designation stay in the fianl version?
17:29:28 <kford> Jeanne: Not sure yet.
17:30:58 <allanj> http://www.w3.org/TR/IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20/#alternative-content-list
17:31:38 <kford> JA: Do we want to keep this, if so are we going to keep it updated or what?
17:32:00 <kford> JS: I think we need to decide what we are going to do with this and do it right.
17:32:20 <kford> JS: Needs introduction, corrected links and more.
17:32:47 <kford> JS: I think there is value. I don't know of another source that lists all the alternative content.
17:33:19 <kford> JA: Do we want to keep it as part of the document?  I'd have to have to do a TR if we want to update.
17:33:39 <kford> JA: Do we want for example a wiki page?
17:33:56 <Jan> fyi: http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20120410/#prompting-types
17:34:26 <kford> JS: This would be in the implamenting so we can update more frequently just as WCAG does.
17:34:46 <kford> JA: Jeanne is advocating for keeping any arguments against.
17:35:11 <kford> JR: Fine to keep but we should bd be clear about the version of HTML we are talking about.
17:35:18 <kford> JA: What about SVG?
17:35:31 <kford> JR: No.
17:35:55 <kford> JA: Should be block this out and say this is the HTML 4 and this is the HTML 5?
17:37:23 <kford> Group talking about different updating options.
17:37:39 <kford> GL: If we do this we need to at least remind people that svg exists.
17:41:13 <kford> JR talks about ATAG doing a bit of this in a mapping of if WCAG calls for X, then the authoring tool would need to store this sort of info but does it in basic terms, not at the element level.
17:41:55 <kford> JA and JS say they are going to come up with a proposal on this.
17:42:39 <kford> GL says hel'll give the result a look over.
17:42:46 <kford> rrsagent, make minutes
17:42:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/06-ua-minutes.html kford
17:43:06 <kford> Action: JS along with JA to come up with proposal on appendix E.
17:43:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-836 - Along with JA to come up with proposal on appendix E. [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2013-06-13].
17:43:31 <kford> zakim, close item 3
17:43:31 <Zakim> agendum 3, Appendix E of Alternative Content, closed
17:43:33 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
17:43:33 <Zakim> 4. Action-835 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/SC-by-test-type.htm review, test assignments [from allanj]
17:43:45 <kford> zakim, take up item 4
17:43:45 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Action-835 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/SC-by-test-type.htm review, test assignments" taken up [from allanj]
17:45:12 <kford> JA: Do people have a feel if they prefer writing if/then or a stages version of tests.
17:49:32 <kford> Group talking about testing details and what is meant.
17:50:47 <allanj> WAI before and after demo, use for alternative content
17:51:01 <jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/before/survey
17:51:14 <jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/after/survey
17:53:48 <allanj> ja: will begin crafting test example data/content pages
17:55:53 <allanj> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2012/ATAG20tests/
17:56:18 <kford> Group talking about where to start.
17:56:33 <kford> Some want to see some examples and or pick a template.
17:56:42 <allanj> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Test/HTML401/current/tests/index.html
17:56:52 <jeanne> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20080430/G94.html#G94-tests
17:58:32 <jeanne> file:///C:/Users/jeanne/Documents/CVS/www/WAI/AU/CR20/TestPrep.html
17:59:13 <jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/CR20/TestPrep.html
17:59:42 <jeanne> ATAG tests - scroll down to the table http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/CR20/TestPrep.html
18:06:07 <allanj> agenda?
18:06:35 <kford> rrsagent, make minutes
18:06:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/06-ua-minutes.html kford
18:07:03 <kford> zakim, close item 4
18:07:03 <Zakim> agendum 4, Action-835 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2013/SC-by-test-type.htm review, test assignments, closed
18:07:05 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
18:08:44 <allanj> Last Call.   http://www.w3.org/TR/html-longdesc
18:09:03 <kford> HTML5 accessibility asking for any reviews on this.
18:09:35 <kford> JA: From a UAAG perspective, word discover is interesting.
18:10:36 <allanj> deadline is June 20 for comments
18:11:35 <kford> JA: We need to schedule the task force on crowding source for existing implamentations.
18:12:31 <Greg> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2013AprJun/0080.html
18:12:56 <allanj> Firefox - extension
18:12:57 <allanj> Heading Map  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/headingsmap/
18:12:59 <allanj> HTML5 structure and ARIA Landmark Navigation  https://github.com/davidtodd/landmarks
18:16:17 <allanj> topic: crowd sourcing implementation
18:16:22 <kford> rrsagent, make minutes
18:16:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/06-ua-minutes.html kford
18:16:25 <Greg> A useful Thunderbird extension: "Archived Link displays the URL of the Archived-At email message header field (RFC-5064) as a hyperlink." http://schepers.cc/archived-link#more-501
18:18:44 <allanj> set columns for FCIOS and Other
18:20:12 <allanj> when filling in- some code for pass/fail and text on how, if extension/plugin must have links'
18:20:41 <allanj> kp: everyone practice putting some info in
18:21:30 <allanj> code: comply, comply with extension,
18:21:44 <kford> Group talking about process for building spreadsheet.
18:21:47 <allanj> column with notes/explanations
18:22:23 <allanj> could be non-default settings, should be documented in notes section
18:25:10 <allanj> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-UAAG20-20130523/
18:27:11 <Zakim> -Jan
18:27:13 <Zakim> -Kim_Patch
18:27:15 <Zakim> -Jim_Allan
18:27:16 <kford> rrsagent, make minutes
18:27:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/06-ua-minutes.html kford
18:27:16 <Zakim> -Greg_Lowney
18:27:18 <Zakim> -Jeanne
18:28:14 <kford> Present: Kelly, Greg, Jim, Jan, Jeanne, Kim
18:28:21 <kford> rrsagent, make minutes:
18:28:21 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes:', kford.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
18:28:30 <kford> rrsagent make minutes
18:28:40 <kford> rrsagent, make minutes
18:28:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/06-ua-minutes.html kford
18:34:56 <kford> zakim, please part
18:34:56 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were kford, Jim_Allan, Jeanne, Greg_Lowney, Jan, Kim_Patch
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18:35:08 <kford> rrsagent, please part
18:35:08 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/06-ua-actions.rdf :
18:35:08 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JS along with JA to come up with proposal on appendix E. [1]
18:35:08 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/06-ua-irc#T17-43-06