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13:54:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
13:54:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
13:54:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
13:54:13 <trackbot> Date: 06 June 2013
13:54:21 <glenn> zakim, this will be TTWG
13:54:21 <Zakim> ok, glenn; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
13:54:59 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has now started
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14:00:39 <glenn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aHCCDki1y4
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14:09:41 <glenn> ISSUE-224?
14:09:46 <trackbot> ISSUE-224 -- Support text placement in 3D coordinate spaces (not zIndex compositing). -- open
14:09:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/224
14:10:47 <Sean> scribe Sean
14:11:30 <Sean> Are theses all issues in SMPTE-TT?
14:11:48 <Sean> PAL: partly SMPTE-TT and 428-7 digital cinema
14:12:07 <Sean> 224 is from DC
14:13:07 <Sean> Mike: effort underway to define a new format IMF based on 2052-1 TT merged with 428-7
14:13:25 <Sean> These need to be combined sensibly
14:13:57 <Sean> PAL: In liaison included the draft of 428-7
14:14:07 <Sean> Mike some are still in draft
14:14:17 <Sean> so TTWG is the better place to do this
14:15:20 <Sean> PAL: The model here is compatible with the model CEA 3D subtitle
14:15:40 <Sean> CEA 708.1
14:15:59 <Sean> Glenn: Will talk to CSS transforms folks
14:17:07 <Sean> Glenn: All look like substantial new features
14:17:11 <Sean> ISSUE 225?
14:17:11 <glenn> ISSUE-225?
14:17:11 <trackbot> ISSUE-225 -- tts:fontSize as percentage of container dimensions -- open
14:17:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/225
14:19:16 <Sean> Sean: Are we looking for a better syntax here than the cell mechanism
14:19:18 <Sean> PAL: Yes
14:21:14 <Sean> Issue-226?
14:21:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-226 -- <p> origin and extent -- open
14:21:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/226
14:21:33 <Sean> PAL: This is a duplicate
14:23:22 <Sean> Sean: Closed as duplicate
14:23:29 <Sean> Issue-227?
14:23:29 <trackbot> ISSUE-227 -- <p> fade-up and –down -- open
14:23:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/227
14:24:02 <Sean> PAL: suggestion is to be able to fade without having to use a lot of sets
14:25:06 <Sean> Sean: could this be satisifed by smooth animation based on set
14:26:38 <Sean> Glenn: other issue is what does it apply to?
14:26:47 <Sean> PAL: p's individualy
14:27:14 <Sean> Glenn: So this would be similar to adding extent and origin to p
14:28:36 <Sean> Glenn: conceptually could have different opacities to regions and content in regions
14:29:01 <Sean> with painters algorithm, how much generality is needed here?
14:31:16 <Sean> Basically the request here is to apply to all content elements that make a mark
14:31:35 <Sean> Issue-228?
14:31:36 <trackbot> ISSUE-228 -- Ruby text support -- open
14:31:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/228
14:34:14 <Sean> Sean: we would need to do this based on style
14:34:34 <Sean> GLenn: Will ask Richard Ishida the status
14:34:51 <Sean> of CSS3 ruby
14:35:55 <Sean> 428-7 has its own definition
14:36:10 <Sean> Sean: so we could import this text wholesale
14:36:32 <Sean> Sean: we should review the text in section 6.5
14:37:55 <Sean> Issue-229?
14:37:55 <trackbot> ISSUE-229 -- Mixed vertical-horizontal progression direction -- open
14:37:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/229
14:39:48 <Sean> Sean: this should be linked with Issue 159
14:40:35 <glenn> ISSUE-229: This is a Test
14:40:35 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-229 Mixed vertical-horizontal progression direction.
14:40:54 <Sean> ISSUE-229: This is linked to 159
14:40:54 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-229 Mixed vertical-horizontal progression direction.
14:41:14 <Sean> Issue-239?
14:41:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-239 -- smpte:backgroundImageHorizontal -- open
14:41:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/239
14:41:38 <Sean> Issue-230?
14:41:38 <trackbot> ISSUE-230 -- Forced display -- open
14:41:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/230
14:44:13 <glenn> ISSUE-230: perhaps add a 'force' role?
14:44:13 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-230 Forced display.
14:44:49 <Sean> Mike: yes this is metadata
14:46:34 <Sean> Issue-231?
14:46:34 <trackbot> ISSUE-231 -- Individual character rotation -- open
14:46:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/231
14:47:15 <Sean> Sean: we should relate this to 159 as well
14:47:35 <Sean> ISSUE-231: relate this to 159
14:47:35 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-231 Individual character rotation.
14:47:56 <Sean> Issue-232?
14:47:56 <trackbot> ISSUE-232 -- Bottom-to-top text direction -- open
14:47:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/232
14:48:13 <Sean> Glenn: no scripts use bottome to top
14:48:24 <Sean> but bidi in vertical is possible
14:48:43 <Sean> so bidi-override would achieve this
14:49:30 <Sean> But not clear what the use case is
14:49:39 <Sean> not defined in CSS
14:50:08 <Sean> PAL: Will go back and ask why they need this
14:51:58 <glenn> ACTION: pal to investigate use cases for ISSUE-232
14:51:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-165 - Investigate use cases for ISSUE-232 [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2013-06-13].
14:52:17 <Sean> Issue-233?
14:52:17 <trackbot> ISSUE-233 -- Superscript and subscript character style -- open
14:52:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/233
14:53:06 <Sean> Glenn: CSS has some support for this
14:53:14 <Sean> but font dependant
14:53:23 <Sean> We could do something similar
14:53:48 <Sean> Issue-234?
14:53:48 <trackbot> ISSUE-234 -- Drop Shadow character style -- open
14:53:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/234
14:55:38 <Sean> Sean: we need to merge this with the text outline issue
14:55:51 <Sean> Issue-235?
14:55:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-235 -- Feathering of shadow and outline effects -- open
14:55:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/235
14:56:03 <Sean> Glenn what is the difference to feather and blur
14:56:25 <Sean> PAL: its to ensure smooth transition
14:57:32 <Sean> Mike: Issue-234: also needs to meet the requirements of US closed captions
14:58:13 <glenn> http://www.w3.org/2013/05/30-tt-minutes.html
14:58:14 <Sean> ISSUE-234: needs to meet the requirements of US closed captions
14:58:14 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-234 Drop Shadow character style.
14:58:20 <pal> ISSUE-230: use case: forces the display of those subtitles that are associated with klingon speech and that all users should see -- the other subtitles, e.g. english subtitle over english speech, should be shown only to those users that have elected to do so.
14:58:20 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-230 Forced display.
14:58:54 <glenn> rrsagent, publish minutes
14:58:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/06-tt-minutes.html glenn
14:59:05 <Zakim> -mike
14:59:07 <Zakim> -pal
14:59:12 <Zakim> -[Adobe]
14:59:18 <Zakim> -sean
14:59:26 <glenn> trackbot, end meeting
14:59:26 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:59:26 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been glenn, sean, mike, pal, [Adobe]
14:59:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:59:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/06-tt-minutes.html trackbot
14:59:35 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:59:35 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/06-tt-actions.rdf :
14:59:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pal to investigate use cases for ISSUE-232 [1]
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