IRC log of wai-wcag on 2013-06-04

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Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 04 June 2013

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+Cooper

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zakim, Adobe is Andrew_Kirkpatrick

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+Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it

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+[IPcaller]

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zakim, Ipcaller is Loretta_Guarino_Reid

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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid; got it

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+Peter_Korn

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+??P24

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15:03:57 [adam_solomon]

i am trying to join via sip - if itdoesnt work ill go on skype

15:05:27 [MichaelC]

regrets: Kathy_Wahlbin, Bruce_Bailey

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2013AprJun/0067.html

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+??P32

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15:07:50 [David]

Scribe: David

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topic: Charter

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+[IPcaller]

15:09:12 [adam_solomon]

i just got on skype

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zakim, IPcaller is Adam_Solomon

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+Adam_Solomon; got it

15:09:22 [korn]

q+

15:10:14 [David]

AWK: Several sections left to discuss includes Scope section, my gut is not publish non web technologies...

15:11:11 [David]

AWK: reports on Greg's acceptance of this with amendments

15:11:29 [loretta]

q+

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q-

15:14:00 [David]

Korn: agrees w/david... lines are blurry, don't need to explicitly place this out of scope, anything clearly over the blurry line we would need permission for...

15:15:00 [David]

Loretta: Concern ... said there was a lot of concern about WCAG2ICT... this out of scope clarifies this...

15:15:57 [David]

Loretta: does not agree with Greggs comments, because it goes back to backwards compatibility...

15:16:47 [korn]

q+

15:16:51 [David]

AWK: Agrees with Loretta... it mitigates concerns that we may overstep the W3C.

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-Adam_Solomon

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q+

15:18:08 [AWK]

ack korn

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+Katie_Haritos-Shea

15:18:49 [David]

Korn: Many of the problaems we struggled with in WCAG 2ICT dealt with the same troubles for web apps, same UI libraries on web and off, so we have already blurred line. If I have a non web java app, and I have JAVA web techniques, do these techniqes apply or not. at what point do we say that techniques using SWING etc...

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q-

15:19:40 [David]

Korn: if something is beyond the blurry line, we would have to go to W3C management, but within the blurry line, what will we do

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Loretta

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ack me

15:20:46 [David]

LGR: If there is a blurry line that it can be considered web content we can look at it. we need to send the message that we are not trying to extend the work of the group to non web content.

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+Robin

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15:24:42 [David]

David: The WCAG WG will not publish techniques for content technologies not used for the web

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Katie: Agree w/ David

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LGR: But concerned with technologies that are not used on the web

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15:26:58 [David]

Andrew: Will accept David's recommended amendment.

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15:28:28 [David]

David: The WCAG WG will not publish techniques for technologies not used for web content

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+Marc_Johlic

15:30:11 [MichaelC]

zakim, IPcaller is Adam_Solomon

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+Adam_Solomon; got it

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+James_Nurthen

15:30:52 [David]

Korn: Neither address the fussy line

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-Katie_Haritos-Shea

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+Katie_Haritos-Shea

15:31:48 [David]

Korn: Would be more comfortable if the out of scope non web technologies less harsh

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s/fussy/fuzzy

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+[IPcaller]

15:34:18 [David]

AWK: Any objects to survey words

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15:34:48 [kerstin_probiesch]

zakim, who is on the phone?

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On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Cooper, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Peter_Korn, Robin, Adam_Solomon, Marc_Johlic, James_Nurthen, Katie_Haritos-Shea, [IPcaller]

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... (muted)

15:34:55 [David]

RESOLUTION: Will add the item to out of scope. "The WCAG WG will not publish techniques for non-web technologies"

15:35:00 [kerstin_probiesch]

zakim, ipcaller is me

15:35:00 [MichaelC]

Permits publishing a WCAG 2.0 edit to incorporate editorial errata only; Begins exploration of requirements for future versions of Web Content Accessibility Guidelines, but does not plan formal specification work during the three-year span of this charter;

15:35:00 [Zakim]

+kerstin_probiesch; got it

15:35:10 [kerstin_probiesch]

zakim, mute me

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kerstin_probiesch was already muted, kerstin_probiesch

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-Adam_Solomon

15:40:53 [David]

RESOLUTION: accespt modified text: "Permits publishing a WCAG 2.0 edit to incorporate editorial errata only; Begins exploration of requirements for future versions of Web Content Accessibility Guidelines, but does not plan formal specification work during the three-year span of this charter"

15:42:49 [David]

AWK: requests to add for evaluation and repair tools groups... email late last night... Deliverables funded by WAI ACT project, coordinated with WG. we have commented on them... not reflected in the last charter... but we should add them in as deliverables.

15:42:57 [korn]

q+

15:43:27 [loretta]

q+ to suggest that we should put this into a survey, so those who aren't at this meeting will also see them.

15:43:43 [korn]

q-

15:44:11 [David]

MC: under scope section we can add two bullets for that

15:44:29 [AWK]

zakim, queue?

15:44:29 [Zakim]

I see loretta on the speaker queue

15:45:09 [David]

LGR: we want to take the proposed changes and out them in a survey, many not here who should be aware of them.

15:45:44 [David]

AWK: Can charter be modified if we ckear this

15:46:32 [loretta]

ack me

15:46:32 [Zakim]

loretta, you wanted to suggest that we should put this into a survey, so those who aren't at this meeting will also see them.

15:46:38 [David]

Mc: we are at the point now... current may expire before we finish...

15:47:36 [David]

AWK: if we discuss language now, and give 48 hours to object will we be ok

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LGR: concerned about sliding into support database issue

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s/support/accessibioity support

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s/accessibioity/accessibility

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q+

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q-

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Discussion of WAI/ACT, support database,

15:57:36 [David]

Korn: Do we need it in the charter, we did WCAG2ICT without explicit mention in Charter

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-Robin

15:59:46 [David]

David: is there already a mapping in charter under which this could fall

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q+

16:00:35 [David]

AWK: Yes, 3a

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q-

16:01:58 [David]

MC Yes 3a, and 1.d cover evaluation and support database.

16:03:18 [jamesn]

zakim, who is noisy?

16:03:24 [David]

Zakim, who is making noise?

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+Cooper.a

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jamesn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Andrew_Kirkpatrick (39%)

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I'm here.

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-Cooper

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David, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: David_MacDonald (4%), Andrew_Kirkpatrick (71%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (23%), Cooper.a (30%)

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MC: But others do not think so

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AWK: ok, we'll propose language for 348 hour survey

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s/348/48

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MC: I have some proposed worded, me and AWK will sync up aft call for survey

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https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/AlmostFinal/

16:08:52 [David]

RESOLUTION: Accept Charter as amended, pending 48 hour survey unanimous consent, accessibility support database, and evaluation methodology

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s/methodology/methodology additions

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Topic: WCAG2iCT

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q+

16:10:51 [korn]

New Note 5 to SC 2.4.5 , blinking, supplemental content, technology (Web content), user interface component, conforming alternate version

16:11:07 [AWK]

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Antepenultimate/results

16:12:03 [David]

RESOLUTION: Accept as amended unanimous survey items New Note 5 to SC 2.4.5 , blinking, supplemental content, technology (Web content), user interface component, conforming alternate version WKhttps://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/AlmostFinal/, and accept unanimous issues on other survey for errata, and antepenultimate

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Item#2 Process

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Loretta: Remove objection, now that she understands ...

16:18:16 [David]

Korn: Accept gragg's edit

16:19:08 [David]

RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended, with Gregg's survey text suggested to Michael, Peter has it, and will update

16:19:30 [David]

Topic: Accessibility supported

16:22:44 [David]

MC: Editors can address issues, nothing substantive in here for objections... my objection no a block

16:23:28 [David]

RESOLUTION: Accept as proposed Accessibility supported

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-Peter_Korn

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-James_Nurthen

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-Marc_Johlic

16:24:32 [kerstin_probiesch]

bye

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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid

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-kerstin_probiesch

16:24:49 [David]

zakim, bye

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leaving. As of this point the attendees were David_MacDonald, Cooper, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Peter_Korn, Adam_Solomon, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Robin, Marc_Johlic,

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