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14:57:00 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:57:00 <trackbot> Date: 04 June 2013
14:59:41 <Zakim> +Cooper
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15:00:54 <MichaelC> zakim, Adobe is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
15:00:54 <Zakim> +Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it
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15:02:19 <MichaelC> zakim, Ipcaller is Loretta_Guarino_Reid
15:02:19 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid; got it
15:02:21 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn
15:02:50 <Zakim> +??P24
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15:03:57 <adam_solomon> i am trying to join via sip - if itdoesnt work ill go on skype
15:05:27 <MichaelC> regrets: Kathy_Wahlbin, Bruce_Bailey
15:05:54 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2013AprJun/0067.html
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15:07:50 <David> Scribe: David
15:08:22 <David> topic: Charter
15:09:02 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:09:12 <adam_solomon> i just got on skype
15:09:20 <MichaelC> zakim, IPcaller is Adam_Solomon
15:09:20 <Zakim> +Adam_Solomon; got it
15:09:22 <korn> q+
15:10:14 <David> AWK: Several sections left to discuss includes Scope section, my gut is not publish non web technologies...
15:11:11 <David> AWK: reports on Greg's acceptance of this with amendments
15:11:29 <loretta> q+
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15:13:46 <korn> q-
15:14:00 <David> Korn: agrees w/david... lines are blurry, don't need to explicitly place this out of scope, anything clearly over the blurry line we would need permission for...
15:15:00 <David> Loretta: Concern ... said there was a lot of concern about WCAG2ICT... this out of scope clarifies this...
15:15:57 <David> Loretta: does  not agree with Greggs comments, because it goes back to backwards compatibility...
15:16:47 <korn> q+
15:16:51 <David> AWK: Agrees with Loretta... it mitigates concerns that we may overstep the W3C.
15:17:08 <Zakim> -Adam_Solomon
15:17:59 <loretta> q+
15:18:08 <AWK> ack korn
15:18:47 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
15:18:49 <David> Korn: Many of the problaems we struggled with in WCAG 2ICT dealt with the same troubles for web apps, same UI libraries on web and off, so we have already blurred line. If I have a non web java app, and I have JAVA web techniques, do these techniqes apply or not. at what point do we say that techniques using SWING etc...
15:19:31 <korn> q-
15:19:40 <David> Korn: if something is beyond the blurry line, we would have to go to W3C management, but within the blurry line, what will we do
15:19:43 <David> Loretta
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15:20:35 <loretta> ack me
15:20:46 <David> LGR: If there is a blurry line that it can be considered web content we can look at it. we need to send the message that we are not trying to extend the work of the group to non web content.
15:21:10 <Zakim> +Robin
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15:24:42 <David> David: The WCAG WG will not publish techniques for content technologies not used for the web
15:24:58 <David> Katie: Agree w/ David
15:25:41 <David> LGR: But concerned with technologies that are not used on the web
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15:26:58 <David> Andrew: Will accept David's recommended amendment.
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15:28:28 <David> David: The WCAG WG will not publish techniques for technologies not used for web content
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15:29:37 <Zakim> +Marc_Johlic
15:30:11 <MichaelC> zakim, IPcaller is Adam_Solomon
15:30:11 <Zakim> +Adam_Solomon; got it
15:30:37 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
15:30:52 <David> Korn: Neither address the fussy line
15:30:56 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
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15:31:35 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
15:31:48 <David> Korn: Would be more comfortable if the out of scope non web technologies less harsh
15:32:30 <AWK> s/fussy/fuzzy
15:33:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:34:18 <David> AWK: Any objects to survey words
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15:34:48 <kerstin_probiesch> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:34:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Cooper, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Peter_Korn, Robin, Adam_Solomon, Marc_Johlic, James_Nurthen, Katie_Haritos-Shea, [IPcaller]
15:34:52 <Zakim> ... (muted)
15:34:55 <David> RESOLUTION: Will add the item to out of scope. "The WCAG WG will not publish techniques for non-web technologies"
15:35:00 <kerstin_probiesch> zakim, ipcaller is me
15:35:00 <MichaelC> Permits publishing a WCAG 2.0 edit to incorporate editorial errata only; Begins exploration of requirements for future versions of Web Content Accessibility Guidelines, but does not plan formal specification work during the three-year span of this charter;
15:35:00 <Zakim> +kerstin_probiesch; got it
15:35:10 <kerstin_probiesch> zakim, mute me
15:35:10 <Zakim> kerstin_probiesch was already muted, kerstin_probiesch
15:40:35 <Zakim> -Adam_Solomon
15:40:53 <David> RESOLUTION: accespt modified text: "Permits publishing a WCAG 2.0 edit to incorporate editorial errata only; Begins exploration of requirements for future versions of Web Content Accessibility Guidelines, but does not plan formal specification work during the three-year span of this charter"
15:42:49 <David> AWK: requests to add for evaluation and repair tools groups... email late last night... Deliverables funded by WAI ACT project, coordinated with WG. we have commented on them... not reflected in the last charter... but we should add them in as deliverables.
15:42:57 <korn> q+
15:43:27 <loretta> q+ to suggest that we should put this into a survey, so those who aren't at this meeting will also see them.
15:43:43 <korn> q-
15:44:11 <David> MC: under scope section we can add two bullets for that
15:44:29 <AWK> zakim, queue?
15:44:29 <Zakim> I see loretta on the speaker queue
15:45:09 <David> LGR: we want to take the proposed changes and out them in a survey, many not here who should be aware of them.
15:45:44 <David> AWK: Can charter be modified if we ckear this
15:46:32 <loretta> ack me
15:46:32 <Zakim> loretta, you wanted to suggest that we should put this into a survey, so those who aren't at this meeting will also see them.
15:46:38 <David> Mc: we are at the point now... current may expire before we finish...
15:47:36 <David> AWK: if we discuss language now, and give 48 hours to object will we be ok
15:50:02 <David> LGR: concerned about sliding into support database issue
15:50:23 <David> s/support/accessibioity support
15:50:55 <David> s/accessibioity/accessibility
15:54:50 <korn> q+
15:56:52 <korn> q-
15:56:53 <David> Discussion of WAI/ACT, support database,
15:57:36 <David> Korn: Do we need it in the charter, we did WCAG2ICT without explicit mention in Charter
15:59:13 <Zakim> -Robin
15:59:46 <David> David: is there already a mapping in charter under which this could fall
16:00:20 <korn> q+
16:00:35 <David> AWK: Yes, 3a
16:00:58 <korn> q-
16:01:58 <David> MC Yes 3a, and 1.d cover evaluation and support database.
16:03:18 <jamesn> zakim, who is noisy?
16:03:24 <David> Zakim, who is making noise?
16:03:29 <Zakim> +Cooper.a
16:03:29 <Zakim> jamesn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Andrew_Kirkpatrick (39%)
16:03:31 <korn> I'm here.
16:03:38 <Zakim> -Cooper
16:03:43 <Zakim> David, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: David_MacDonald (4%), Andrew_Kirkpatrick (71%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (23%), Cooper.a (30%)
16:05:10 <David> MC: But others do not think so
16:05:41 <David> AWK: ok, we'll propose language for 348 hour survey
16:05:53 <David> s/348/48
16:06:58 <David> MC: I have some proposed worded, me and AWK will sync up aft call for survey
16:08:49 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/AlmostFinal/
16:08:52 <David> RESOLUTION: Accept Charter as amended, pending 48 hour survey unanimous consent, accessibility support database, and evaluation methodology
16:09:36 <David> s/methodology/methodology additions
16:09:49 <David> Topic: WCAG2iCT
16:09:49 <korn> q+
16:10:51 <korn> New Note 5 to SC 2.4.5 , blinking, supplemental content, technology (Web content), user interface component, conforming alternate version
16:11:07 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Antepenultimate/results
16:12:03 <David> RESOLUTION: Accept as amended unanimous survey items New Note 5 to SC 2.4.5 , blinking, supplemental content, technology (Web content), user interface component, conforming alternate version WK	https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/AlmostFinal/, and accept unanimous issues on other survey for errata, and antepenultimate
16:12:39 <David> Item#2 Process
16:16:52 <David> Loretta: Remove objection, now that she understands ...
16:18:16 <David> Korn: Accept gragg's edit
16:19:08 <David> RESOLUTION: Accepted as amended, with Gregg's survey text suggested to Michael, Peter has it, and will update
16:19:30 <David> Topic: Accessibility supported
16:22:44 <David> MC: Editors can address issues, nothing substantive in here for objections... my objection no a block
16:23:28 <David> RESOLUTION: Accept as proposed Accessibility supported
16:23:53 <Zakim> -Peter_Korn
16:24:28 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
16:24:29 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
16:24:32 <kerstin_probiesch> bye
16:24:33 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
16:24:43 <Zakim> -kerstin_probiesch
16:24:49 <David> zakim, bye
16:24:49 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were David_MacDonald, Cooper, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Peter_Korn, Adam_Solomon, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Robin, Marc_Johlic,
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