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12:47:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
12:47:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
12:47:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Web and TV Interest Group Teleconference
12:47:40 <trackbot> Date: 29 May 2013
12:47:47 <olivier> zakim, this will be webtv1
12:47:47 <Zakim> ok, olivier; I see UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
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13:00:58 <giuseppep> zakim, code?
13:00:58 <Zakim> the conference code is 932881 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), giuseppep
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13:01:54 <giuseppep> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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13:02:09 <giuseppep> zakim, who is here?
13:02:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see olivier, Bin_Hu, CyrilRa, giuseppep
13:02:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see CyrilRa, giuseppep, glenn, Zakim, RRSAgent, olivier, timeless, trackbot
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13:07:40 <olivier> zakim, who is here?
13:07:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see olivier, Bin_Hu, CyrilRa, giuseppep, glenn, Sheau_Ng, +1.404.312.aabb
13:07:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sheau, Bin_Hu, CyrilRa, giuseppep, glenn, Zakim, RRSAgent, olivier, timeless, trackbot
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13:09:18 <giuseppep> scribenick: giuseppe
13:09:26 <giuseppep> scribe: giuseppe
13:09:35 <giuseppep> chair: olivier
13:10:17 <giuseppep> Agenda:
13:10:22 <giuseppep> ... intro to TF
13:10:37 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs
13:11:26 <giuseppep> olivier: the wiki is a living document for our TF
13:11:36 <giuseppep> ... this TF is a merger of 3 TFs we had before
13:11:51 <giuseppep> ... the 3TFs where the result of 3 topics the IG wanted to look at
13:12:00 <giuseppep> ... one was terminal capabilities
13:12:11 <giuseppep> ... second topic was recording and downloading media (on the web)
13:12:25 <giuseppep> ... the 3rd wa metadata and syncronization
13:12:32 <giuseppep> s/wa/was/
13:12:56 <giuseppep> ... we decided not to work on them in isolation but merge the 3 topics in one TF
13:13:09 <giuseppep> ... as we expect a lot of commonalities
13:13:30 <giuseppep> ... some work has already been done, you can find it on the wiki
13:13:56 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Use_Case
13:13:58 <giuseppep> ... some discussion and use cases on terminal capabilities at TPAC, documented on the wiki
13:14:28 <giuseppep> ... so this is the status quo
13:14:45 <giuseppep> ... any question?
13:14:55 <giuseppep> sheau: what is the planned outcome of this group?
13:15:21 <giuseppep> olivier: the IG is a type of group that is NOT tasked to write specs
13:15:37 <giuseppep> ... our focus should be more on use cases, requirements, gap analysis
13:16:10 <giuseppep> ... we can identify candidate documents that can later go to a WG
13:16:45 <giuseppep> ... we should also look into existing specs, and see how they can be used to achieve our goals
13:17:42 <giuseppep> giuseppe: another option is also to propose to create a new WG/CG, if that is the preferred outcome
13:18:46 <giuseppep> olivier: we have several moderators and chairs in this group
13:19:13 <giuseppep> ... but our role is to facilitate the work, is important that participants are active to move things forward
13:19:54 <giuseppep> olivier: let's do a round of introduction
13:20:03 <olivier> zakim, who is here
13:20:03 <Zakim> olivier, you need to end that query with '?'
13:20:05 <olivier> zakim, who is here?
13:20:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see olivier, Bin_Hu, CyrilRa, giuseppep, glenn, Sheau, +1.404.312.aabb, Mark_Vickers
13:20:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see Mark_Vickers, Sheau, Bin_Hu, CyrilRa, giuseppep, glenn, Zakim, RRSAgent, olivier, timeless, trackbot
13:21:01 <Zakim> -olivier
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13:21:37 <giuseppep> [people introduce themselves]
13:22:52 <giuseppep> Meeting: Media API TF
13:23:09 <Mark_Vickers> olivier, FYI you dropped shortly after suggesting we all introduce ourselves.
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13:24:35 <SteveC> ?
13:25:03 <giuseppep> zakim, who is here?
13:25:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bin_Hu, CyrilRa, giuseppep, glenn, Sheau, +1.404.312.aabb, Mark_Vickers, olivier
13:25:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveC, Mark_Vickers, Sheau, Bin_Hu, CyrilRa, giuseppep, glenn, Zakim, RRSAgent, olivier, timeless, trackbot
13:25:15 <olivier> zakim, aabb is SteveC
13:25:16 <Zakim> +SteveC; got it
13:25:25 <SteveC> thx
13:25:58 <giuseppep> olivier: would like to understand what people would like to start working on
13:26:29 <giuseppep> ... one thing we should be doing is to review the landscape related to what we are doing
13:26:51 <giuseppep> ... e.g. the web and broadcasting BG has been working on similar topics
13:27:10 <giuseppep> ... in the same way there are a number of similar efforts done outside of W3C
13:28:16 <giuseppep> ... Bin can you for example describe what is your motivation behind your use cases
13:28:37 <giuseppep> Bin: would like to see alignement in solution for covering the use cases we are looking at
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13:29:15 <giuseppep> ... we also want to see if there are new use cases related to TV services
13:31:04 <giuseppep> olivier: any reaction to this?
13:31:35 <giuseppep> olivier: let me try to open the discussion
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13:31:56 <giuseppep> ... question: if we only focus on use cases, we may go quite slow
13:32:16 <giuseppep> ... also some of these use cases are pretty well know, and there are repositories of use cases already available
13:32:45 <giuseppep> ... so maybe we should be focusing on things that cannot be done in the current web platform
13:33:00 <giuseppep> ... what do people think?
13:33:18 <giuseppep> glenn: propose to do it in parallel
13:33:47 <giuseppep> mark: we should only look at Use cases that cannot be supported
13:34:03 <giuseppep> ... or that we believe cannot be done
13:34:21 <giuseppep> ... so that we can focus on writing requirements based on those use cases
13:34:51 <olivier> giuseppep: agree with both. Agree with Glenn we should go in parallel
13:35:02 <olivier> ... some parts will mature faster
13:35:21 <olivier> ... when they are we could move on to gap analysis while other use cases are still developed
13:35:46 <olivier> ... we probably need to collect use cases we think are more important. Collecting all possible use cases is not scalable
13:36:02 <olivier> ... once we have prioritised use cases we can work on requirements and gap analysis
13:37:18 <giuseppep> Bin:[sorry missed part of what you said]
13:37:42 <giuseppep> ... I agree that identifying the gap is important
13:38:28 <giuseppep> sheau: I wonder if it makes sense as a group to decide that a use case is not complete until also a gap analysis is done
13:39:25 <Bin_Hu> Bin: start from use cases, and derive the requirement from use cases.
13:39:42 <Bin_Hu> Based on requirement, it is easier to identify the gap
13:40:38 <Zakim> -Mark_Vickers
13:40:55 <giuseppep> Bin: so the process should be iterative, there will alwas be new use cases, and for each we will do gap analyis and extract requirements
13:40:57 <Zakim> +Mark_Vickers
13:41:35 <giuseppep> ... we could set upo a schedule, and make various iteration to get ino more use cases
13:41:43 <giuseppep> s/iteration/iterations/
13:42:08 <giuseppep> olivier: maybe we can first agree with the schedule of our telcos
13:42:23 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/community/webandbroadcasting/wiki/Main_Page
13:42:42 <giuseppep> ... also, people should start to get familiar with the wiki and start to look at the use cases already submitted
13:43:16 <giuseppep> ... if people can get familiar with what is there and share their views, may be easy to get a sense of what to do
13:44:04 <giuseppep> Bin: how long will the TF be alive?
13:44:23 <giuseppep> olivier: we don't have a hard limit, I suspect it will take 9 months
13:45:59 <giuseppep> giuseppe: we don't need to wait 9months for everything though, once a group of "use cases" is ready we should push it to the next steps while keep working on the other use cases
13:46:02 <olivier> http://www.w3.org/community/webandbroadcasting/wiki/3rd_F2F_meeting
13:49:13 <Mark_Vickers> adding to giuseppe's comment, we should plan for the output of multiple, specific requirements documents, rather than waiting for one omnibus requirements document from this TF.
13:49:32 <olivier> action: olivier to propose process for use cases, based on the one for testing TF
13:49:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-115 - Propose process for use cases, based on the one for testing TF [on Olivier Thereaux - due 2013-06-05].
13:49:52 <Zakim> -glenn
13:49:52 <Zakim> -Mark_Vickers
13:49:52 <Zakim> -SteveC
13:49:53 <Zakim> -Sheau
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13:49:55 <Zakim> -olivier
13:49:57 <Zakim> -Bin_Hu
13:50:02 <Zakim> -giuseppep
13:50:04 <Zakim> UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM has ended
13:50:04 <Zakim> Attendees were olivier, Bin_Hu, CyrilRa, giuseppep, glenn, +1.917.693.aaaa, +1.404.312.aabb, Sheau, Mark_Vickers, SteveC
13:50:07 <olivier> RRSAgent, make logs public
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13:50:11 <olivier> RRSAgent, make minutes
13:50:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/29-webtv-minutes.html olivier
13:52:40 <giuseppep> olivier, will you sned the minutes on the list?
13:52:44 <giuseppep> or do you want me to do it?
13:53:09 <giuseppep> one thing I forgot to say is about the "reaching out to other groups" part, I'll trigger the discussion on the list.
13:53:28 <olivier> ah, yes
13:53:32 <olivier> I can send the minutes
13:53:39 <olivier> but do start convo on reaching out
13:53:42 <olivier> thanks
13:56:16 <giuseppep> ok good thanks
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14:24:48 <olivier> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:24:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/29-webtv-minutes.html olivier
14:25:50 <olivier> hrm, rrsagent, you're not going so well today
14:25:52 <olivier> oh well
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