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13:29:31 <sharper> zakim, please clear the agenda
13:29:32 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:29:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:29:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
13:29:35 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
13:29:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
13:29:36 <trackbot> Date: 22 May 2013
13:29:42 <sharper> Chair: Harper_Simon
13:29:43 <sharper> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
13:29:43 <sharper> Agenda+ User Modelling Plans (20m) [all]
13:29:43 <sharper> Agenda+ W4A Debrief (10m) [markel]
13:29:44 <sharper> Agenda+ Metrics W3C Note Status (5m)  [shadi]
13:29:44 <sharper> Agenda+ Mobile W3C Note Status (5m)  [sharper]
13:29:44 <sharper> Agenda+ Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m)  [shawn/david]
13:29:44 <sharper> Agenda+ Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m)  [klaus]
13:29:45 <sharper> Agenda+ Issues and Actions (Standing Item):
13:29:45 <sharper> https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/ [sharper]
13:29:45 <sharper> Agenda+ Any Other Business (Standing Item) [sharper]
13:29:48 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
13:29:56 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-rd-agenda.rdf
13:29:58 <sharper> rrsagent, make logs public
13:29:58 <sharper> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:29:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-rd-minutes.html sharper
13:30:06 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
13:30:06 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
13:30:20 <sharper> Scribes - http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes
13:30:46 <sharper> regrets: Christos, Vivienne, Luz, Klaus - maybe late.
13:32:40 <sharper> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:32:40 <Zakim> I notice WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has restarted
13:32:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see shadi, [IPcaller], ??P0, carlos, Mark_Hakkinen
13:32:46 <Justin> me
13:33:50 <Justin> 41
13:33:57 <Yehya> zakim, carlos is me
13:33:57 <Zakim> +Yehya; got it
13:34:22 <davidsloan> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
13:34:22 <Zakim> +davidsloan; got it
13:34:33 <markel> markel has joined #rd
13:34:43 <kmatausc> kmatausc has joined #rd
13:34:48 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:34:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see shadi, davidsloan, ??P0, Yehya, Mark_Hakkinen
13:34:52 <davidsloan> zakim, mute me
13:34:52 <Zakim> davidsloan should now be muted
13:35:33 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:35:36 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is me
13:35:36 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
13:35:40 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:35:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see shadi, davidsloan (muted), ??P0, Yehya, Mark_Hakkinen, shadi.a
13:35:51 <Zakim> +??P16
13:36:03 <sharper> zakim, ??P0 is sharper
13:36:03 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
13:36:06 <markel> zakim, ??P16 is me
13:36:06 <Zakim> +markel; got it
13:36:33 <shadi> zakim, shadi is really Justin
13:36:34 <Zakim> +Justin; got it
13:36:36 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:36:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see Justin, davidsloan (muted), sharper, Yehya, Mark_Hakkinen, shadi.a, markel
13:36:46 <Justin> zakim, shadi is me
13:36:46 <Zakim> +Justin; got it
13:36:49 <shadi> zakim, shadi.a is shadi
13:36:49 <Zakim> sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named 'shadi.a'
13:36:55 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:36:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Justin, davidsloan (muted), sharper, Yehya, Mark_Hakkinen, Justin.a, markel
13:37:04 <shadi> zakim, justin.a is shadi
13:37:04 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
13:37:12 <kmatausc> Hi fellows. I will follow the written notes. Sorry, the headset is off again.
13:37:27 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:37:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Justin, davidsloan (muted), sharper, Yehya, Mark_Hakkinen, shadi, markel
13:38:00 <kmatausc> ... and yes, I tried to activate the headset ;)
13:38:33 <shadi> hey kerstin, now i know what to get you for your birthday :)
13:38:39 <davidsloan> zakim, unmute me
13:38:39 <Zakim> davidsloan should no longer be muted
13:38:46 <kmatausc> :)
13:38:58 <kmatausc> a better technical understanding might also help
13:39:17 <sharper> regrets+ peter
13:39:22 <sharper> regrets+ Vivienne
13:40:34 <shadi> :)
13:40:48 <shadi> scribe: Justin
13:40:56 <Justin> zakim, close item 1
13:40:56 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Justin
13:41:03 <Justin> zakim, take up item 2
13:41:03 <Zakim> agendum 2. "User Modelling Plans (20m)" taken up [from all via sharper]
13:41:14 <sharper> zakim, q?
13:41:14 <Zakim> I see carlos, [IPcaller], shadi, ??P0 on the speaker queue
13:41:22 <sharper> zakim ack ca
13:41:27 <shadi> queue =
13:41:31 <shadi> queue=
13:42:41 <sharper> Distribution Lists http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Distribution_Table_for_UM4A
13:42:44 <Justin> yeyha: 15th july for online symposium - need to distribute the call to as many people as possible - as has cristos and yehya and luz and klaus
13:43:16 <yeliz> yeliz has joined #rd
13:43:34 <Justin> Sharper: as many people as possible to contribute and distribute and add lists - justin and vivienne to distribute in australia
13:44:02 <Justin> yehya: has a question - are scientific committee members are allowed to submit papers as well?
13:44:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:44:06 <Justin> sharper: yes they are
13:44:13 <yeliz> zakim, [IPcaller] is yeliz
13:44:13 <Zakim> +yeliz; got it
13:44:25 <sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Distribution_Table_for_UM4A
13:44:26 <yeliz> zakim, mute me
13:44:26 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
13:44:36 <yeliz> zakim, unmute me
13:44:36 <Zakim> yeliz should no longer be muted
13:44:42 <Justin> sharper: we are just doing the distribution plans for the user modelling lists - could yeliz contribute to some of the,
13:44:56 <yeliz> zakim, mute me
13:44:56 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
13:44:58 <Justin> yeliz: yes i will be doing it in one or two days time
13:45:02 <yeliz> sorry for being late
13:45:24 <Justin> yeyha: who will be inviting the members to the comm system
13:45:30 <shadi> q+
13:45:58 <sharper> ack shadi
13:46:00 <Justin> sharper: it is the job of the chairs to create the accounts for the users - simon to help on friday afternoon
13:46:50 <Justin> shadi: open-conf configured by simon before, shadi helped this time as well - please check that everything works ok beforehand and get settings documented
13:47:13 <shadi> q-
13:47:21 <Justin> sharper: agrees to documentation - add to list of items to do on the wiki
13:48:05 <Justin> yehya: i have put my questions forward and ask that everyone distribute widely
13:48:29 <Justin> sharper: thanks to all involved for pushing this forward ahead of time - good to get it done ahead of time
13:48:35 <Justin> zakim, close item 2
13:48:35 <Zakim> agendum 2, User Modelling Plans (20m), closed
13:48:36 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:48:36 <Zakim> 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper]
13:48:40 <Justin> zakim, take up item 3
13:48:40 <Zakim> agendum 3. "W4A Debrief (10m)" taken up [from markel via sharper]
13:50:18 <Justin> Markel: w4a was amazing - seriously, was very good papers and submissions and overall quality - lots of rdwg participants - very active participation between the w4a and the 23c and we had dinner and talked a lot and maybe attract new people
13:51:05 <Justin> sharper: agree with markel and not sure if we are looking to recruit more members, but we had some interest from the ibm people in brazil
13:51:24 <kmatausc> congratulation
13:53:09 <davidsloan> q+
13:53:12 <markel> W4A proceedings are located at the ACM Digital library
13:53:22 <Justin> shadi: thanks to w4a for the rdwg dinner, this is unrelatred to rdwg but i thought the papers in the w4a was of a high quality and how can we make the connections between the w3c and the w4a a little more - just thoughts - maybe the w4a proceedings could be crossed referenced in the rdwg work
13:53:30 <markel> http://dl.acm.org/event.cfm?id=RE143&CFID=218514987&CFTOKEN=52060814
13:54:13 <sharper> ack dav
13:54:13 <davidsloan> zakim, unmute me
13:54:14 <Zakim> davidsloan was not muted, davidsloan
13:54:19 <Justin> sharper: totally agree - there should be some way of cross referencing and cross pricing / collaboration and markel and yeliz can work it out and get more dissemination working
13:54:47 <shadi> q+
13:55:52 <markel> q+
13:56:18 <Justin> davidsloan: great to hear the w4a was a success - some idea for formalising the w4a/w3c cross is some special research sessions at the w4a of specific rdwg sessions - the idea of linking of the conference from w4a to rdwg would be good if possible - maybe have a w4a microsoft on the rdwg page - all part of our remit for making public the issue of accessibility research
13:56:24 <sharper> ack sha
13:56:28 <davidsloan> zakim, mute me
13:56:28 <Zakim> davidsloan should now be muted
13:57:43 <Justin> shadi: likes david's ideas - perhaps also see if some of the ideas of the w4a could feed into the rdwg future topics - interaction could go both ways
13:57:49 <sharper> ack mark
13:57:55 <yeliz> zakim, q+
13:57:55 <Zakim> I see yeliz on the speaker queue
13:58:44 <Justin> markel: there could be some cross linking from the w4a and the rdwg
13:58:44 <sharper> ack yeli
13:58:45 <yeliz> zakim, unmute
13:58:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', yeliz
13:58:51 <yeliz> zakim, unmute me
13:58:51 <Zakim> yeliz was not muted, yeliz
13:58:53 <shadi> +1
13:59:10 <shadi> s/a w4a microsoft/a w4a microsite
13:59:26 <davidsloan> q+
14:00:20 <Justin> yeliz: agrees with all of the above - it would also be good to formalize it otherwise we say it but not do it - perhaps some of the authors of papers in the w4a could be invited into the rdwg to present or participate or as a discussion session
14:00:33 <shadi> +1
14:00:59 <yeliz> zakim, mute me
14:00:59 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
14:01:00 <davidsloan> zakim, unmute me
14:01:02 <Zakim> davidsloan should no longer be muted
14:01:22 <Zakim> -Mark_Hakkinen
14:01:57 <Justin> davidsloan: every year after the w4a a report is written about the conferecne for the acm news letter - perhaps this could be placed on the rdwg website
14:02:26 <Justin> zakim, close item 3
14:02:26 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Justin
14:02:43 <sharper> zakim, q?
14:02:43 <Zakim> I see davidsloan on the speaker queue
14:02:46 <sharper> ack dav
14:03:03 <Justin> zakim, take up item 4
14:03:03 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Metrics W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from shadi via sharper]
14:03:37 <markel> q+
14:03:47 <sharper> ack mark
14:04:04 <Justin> markel: what is the current situation with the metrics
14:04:13 <sharper> zakim, q?
14:04:13 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
14:04:58 <Justin> shadi: the editors did a wonderful job on all the comments and the w3c staff are to take the next step - put it into the template and checking the publication rules and times - logistical steps on shadi's part
14:05:14 <Justin> markel: thanks for the update
14:05:26 <Justin> shadi: explains he is busy
14:05:35 <Justin> zakim, close item 4
14:05:35 <Zakim> agendum 4, Metrics W3C Note Status (5m) , closed
14:05:36 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:05:36 <Zakim> 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper]
14:05:39 <Justin> zakim, take up item 5
14:05:39 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Mobile W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from sharper]
14:05:48 <shadi> s/w3c staff are/w3c staff contact (me) is
14:06:10 <shadi> s/explains he is busy/explains he did not get to it yet
14:06:40 <sharper> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/mobile-public-release/
14:06:56 <Justin> sharper: the mobile note status is that i went through it and made the changes that needed making, mainly camera ready changes - sent out a url to a survey - needs to be completed by next week by the rdwg members
14:07:33 <yeliz> Do I need to respond as well?
14:07:46 <yeliz> I thought as the editor I don't need to respond
14:07:46 <yeliz> :)
14:07:57 <Justin> shadi to deputise for sharper - the mobile note is ready for comment (people can agree or disagree) - so far only one person has responded - simon believes it is ready to go - everyone needs to respond asap
14:07:59 <kmatausc> ok
14:08:42 <yeliz> OK, I just did
14:08:42 <yeliz> :)
14:08:45 <Justin> sharper: adding this to the list to refresh people's memories - does anyone have anything they want to say
14:08:52 <Justin> shadi: is the deadline the 29th of may?
14:08:56 <Justin> sharper: yes
14:09:31 <Justin> zakim, close item 6
14:09:31 <Zakim> agendum 6, Text Customisation W3C Note Status (5m) , closed
14:09:32 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:09:32 <Zakim> 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper]
14:10:39 <Justin> davidsloan: we have not got any further than our last report but should have more time soon to take it to the next level before sending back to rdwg for discussion
14:11:15 <davidsloan> zakim, mute me
14:11:15 <Zakim> davidsloan should now be muted
14:11:16 <Justin> zakim, take up item 7
14:11:17 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m) " taken up [from klaus via sharper]
14:11:33 <kmatausc> Hi, can I "talk" now?
14:11:38 <sharper> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/mobile-public-release/
14:12:23 <sharper> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/E2R-Draft/
14:13:01 <sharper> yes please go ahead
14:13:05 <Justin> sharper: puts up link to survey - peter is also only responder and is happy with it - everyone else needs to comment
14:13:35 <kmatausc> Hi, thx for “listening to me” :) Although addicted to technical matters, I’m a social scientist.
14:13:40 <Justin> sharper: again, voting required by may 29th
14:13:49 <kmatausc> Additionally thx to Shadi for helping us by publishing the Easy-to-Read symposium report.
14:14:10 <kmatausc> Yes, we received one feedback. We ourselves didn’t answer ;) We would appreciate further notes. Are there critical voices? Did we forget anything? Should we expand any sector?
14:14:28 <kmatausc> Again, you can comment till May 29.
14:14:37 <sharper> Thanks, we are awaiting survey feedback on this due next week
14:14:41 <Justin> kirsten: requiring more feedback on easy to read
14:15:35 <Justin> sharper: any further comments on easy to read?   no further comments
14:15:37 <kmatausc> Yes, we tried our best but it would be helpful to get more detailed feedback.
14:16:03 <kmatausc> We will collect your feedback, integrate it in the expanded version and will resend it to Shadi. Shadi would you then please publish it again?
14:16:17 <Justin> sharper: read and comments in survey required - is anyone ok with the survey mechanisms - or is anyone not ok?
14:16:30 <shadi> sure
14:16:41 <Justin> zakim, close item 7
14:16:41 <Zakim> agendum 7, Easy to Read W3C Note Status (5m) , closed
14:16:42 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:16:42 <Zakim> 1. Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [from sharper]
14:16:56 <Justin> sharper: any other business?
14:17:28 <Justin> sharper: next week will be voting on the surveys and completing some outstanding work
14:17:39 <Justin> shadi: are you confirming you will not be here
14:17:53 <Justin> sharper: no, shadi to chair for me
14:18:17 <Justin> no worries
14:18:19 <markel> thanks! bye guys!
14:18:21 <davidsloan> thankyou, bye!
14:18:23 <markel> markel has left #rd
14:18:24 <Justin> toodles
14:18:25 <Zakim> -sharper
14:18:27 <Zakim> -yeliz
14:18:29 <Zakim> -Yehya
14:18:32 <Zakim> -shadi
14:18:34 <Zakim> -davidsloan
14:18:37 <Zakim> -Justin
14:18:37 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:18:38 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:18:39 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Mark_Hakkinen, Yehya, davidsloan, sharper, markel, Justin, shadi, yeliz
14:18:45 <kmatausc> bye
14:18:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:18:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/22-rd-minutes.html trackbot
14:18:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:18:47 <RRSAgent> I see no action items