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14:45:18 <trackbot> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
14:45:18 <trackbot> Date: 22 May 2013
14:45:39 <Steven> Chair: Steven
14:45:45 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013May/0016
14:45:54 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013May/0016
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15:03:26 <Steven> zakim, I am ?
15:03:26 <Zakim> +Steven; got it
15:03:48 <Steven> zakim, justin is really alain
15:03:48 <Zakim> +alain; got it
15:04:00 <Steven> zakim, who is on the call?
15:04:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfennell, ebruchez, alain, Steven
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15:05:12 <nvdbleek> zakim, code?
15:05:12 <Zakim> the conference code is 93676 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), nvdbleek
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15:06:34 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013May/0016
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15:08:29 <Steven> Topic: Localisation
15:08:29 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013May/0013.html
15:09:02 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-1944 - Propose a solution to support submitting
15:09:02 <Steven> multipart-post messages (was Comments on XForms 2.0 Working Draft 7 August
15:09:02 <Steven> 2012)
15:09:02 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013May/0014.html
15:09:33 <Steven> Erik: This was about supporting SOAP better.
15:10:05 <Steven> ... and it would be good to support multi-part better. It's not a blocker for last call.
15:10:28 <Steven> ... there are limitations with the current multi-part support. Too inflexible.
15:10:44 <Steven> ... SO this introduces a fully generic version.
15:10:48 <Steven> s/SO/So/
15:11:10 <Steven> ... Since we already support headers in submission, so it seems reasonable to use a similar approach
15:11:18 <Steven> ... using a <part> element
15:11:25 <Steven> ... both statically and dynamically
15:12:08 <Steven> ... THis is a child of the <submission> element
15:12:12 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
15:12:48 <Steven> ... <part> has attributes for serialisation and encoding etc.
15:13:06 <Steven> ... they can be avt's for dynamic use.
15:13:14 <Steven> ... Gives a lot of flexibility.
15:14:00 <Steven> ... <part>s can contain custom headers nested. Of course we don't have any implementations.
15:14:08 <Steven> ... I still have some questions though
15:14:20 <Steven> ... 1) what about validate and relevant?
15:14:57 <Steven> ... if you are submitting two instances you might want to validate one and not the other, so my proposed answer is 'yes, why not'.
15:15:34 <Steven> ... We also need to provide a content-disposition header
15:15:45 <Steven> ... so I propose attributes for that, name and filename.
15:16:01 <Steven> ... but do we need an automativ way of dealing with that?
15:16:14 <Steven> ... 3) is this possible with client-side implementations?
15:16:26 <Steven> ... can you use XHR for this?
15:16:48 <Steven> s/We also need/2) We also need/
15:17:15 <Steven> Alain: XHR can be used, no problem. I have done multipart related with it.
15:17:20 <Steven> Erik: Great.
15:17:54 <Steven> Steven: If we're happy with this, we do need some spec text.
15:18:01 <Steven> Erik: I can take the action.
15:18:18 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to provide spec text for multipart
15:18:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1948 - Provide spec text for multipart [on Erik Bruchez - due 2013-05-29].
15:19:05 <Steven> s/automativ/automatic/
15:19:16 <Steven> Erik: I will think more about my question 2)
15:20:02 <Steven> ... but it is still OK to have to do it by hand, just a little bit more work.
15:20:28 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-1945 - Function should only allow one result element (was
15:20:28 <Steven> The function Element)
15:20:28 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013May/0015.html
15:22:43 <Steven> Erik: Not much to say here.
15:23:05 <Steven> ... The type attribute is a bit weird. Specifies the language of the function.
15:23:25 <Steven> ... text/javascript for instance, but XPath doesn't have a media type.
15:24:23 <Steven> ... so our solution would have to be leave out the type when it is XPath
15:24:53 <Steven> ... though we could just use "the name of the language", and the implementations would have to know them.
15:26:32 <ebruchez> http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery/#id-mime-type
15:28:00 <Steven> Steven: It would be application/xpath if it existed
15:28:06 <Steven> Erik: text/xpath?
15:28:24 <Steven> Steven: i18n people don't like text/* because it uses ascii as default.
15:29:21 <Steven> ... http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6838
15:30:36 <Steven> Steven: But I'm just happy with saying default is XPath, and you specify it if it is something else.
15:30:42 <Steven> Erik: That's fine.
15:31:06 <Steven> Steven: Registering xpath would be a lot of extra work for us, unnecessary.
15:31:45 <Steven> Erik: One more comments.
15:31:53 <Steven> s/comments/comment/
15:33:01 <Steven> Erik: There are two ways of doing the body of the function, 'var' is an XPath thing. We have separated the expression language into a separate doc.
15:33:40 <Steven> ... I think we should say something about var being only for when using XPath
15:33:50 <Steven> ... it would make no sense otherwise.
15:34:17 <Steven> Steven: OK with me, anyone else?
15:34:33 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to add note about use of var with other scripting languages.
15:34:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1949 - Add note about use of var with other scripting languages. [on Erik Bruchez - due 2013-05-29].
15:34:56 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-1943: Erik investigate why XPath 3 chose the function
15:34:56 <Steven> signature they did for serialization
15:34:56 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013May/0003.html
15:35:08 <Steven> Steven: Did we close this?
15:35:52 <Steven> Erik: I still hvae an action item on this.
15:35:59 <Steven> s/hvae/have/
15:36:14 <Steven> Erik: I haven't had any feedback from the XSLT people by the way.
15:36:28 <Steven> Topic: [SER30] Alternative syntax for output:serialization-parameters
15:36:28 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013May/0006.html
15:37:01 <Steven> Steven: Oh sorry, that was your message you didn't get a reply to.
15:37:17 <Steven> Topic: AOB
15:37:21 <Steven> Steven: Anything else?
15:37:34 <Steven> Philip: regrets for me for next week.
15:40:03 <Zakim> -Steven
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15:40:05 <Zakim> -ebruchez
15:40:05 <Zakim> -alain
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15:40:06 <Zakim> Attendees were pfennell, ebruchez, Steven, alain, nvdbleek, unl
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