<trackbot> Date: 16 May 2013

<scribe> Scribe: Cameron

<scribe> ScribeNick: heycam

SVG 2 Requirement Commitments

<Thomas_Smailus> yes

CM: I'd like to know what things people think they can get done for the next publication of SVG 2

<Thomas_Smailus> they are rebuilding the floor below, so lots of drilling and hammering so I shift for thend out of mute

… and discuss when a good publication date aim would be

http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Commitments

CM: I think I can get the stroke dash adjustment done for the next draft

… we discussed ideas for it a couple of years ago

Tav: I have the hatches almost ready to go in, just need a couple more examples

… we'll still have to discuss how to have multiple paint servers

… we talked about that in Switzerland, but we never came up with a way to do it

… to have crosshatching, or on top of other paints

ED: The non-scaling stroke is done

CM: Dirk, the transforms on <svg>

Dirk: there are a couple of issues to decide, what it means to put transform="" on the root <svg>

CM: would be good to have an example showing transform="" on <svg> too

Dirk: I plan to do it before/during the F2F

CM: what about a mid-July next draft?

Dirk: that would be fine

CM: I'll mail the list with a plan

foreignObject

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2013May/0043.html

ED: In SVG, it's listed as neither a graphics element nor a container element

… that means that some properties that normally apply to SVG elements don't apply to foreignObject

… which is a bit strange

… I think it would be good to state in the spec that things like filter, mask, clip-path, etc. all apply to foreignObject

… the easiest way to do that would be to make it a graphics element

… that'd make all of those properties apply

… and from the SVG point of view, I think foreignObject should be treated like an opaque or bitmap area anyway

… even though it contains foreign content, SVG should still apply to the output of rendering that content

CM: I think that makes sense

ED: I can take an action do to that change

<scribe> ACTION: Erik to make foreignObject a graphics element [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-svg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3492 - Make foreignObject a graphics element [on Erik Dahlström - due 2013-05-23].

CM: I think we should define in the spec how HTML child content of foreignObject works

… we don't say anything about it at the moment

ED: what you do with multiple child HTML elements of <foreignObject> is a good issue

<scribe> ACTION: Erik to define how HTML in foreignObject works [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-svg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3493 - Define how HTML in foreignObject works [on Erik Dahlström - due 2013-05-23].

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2013May/0044.html

view element content model

ED: I'd like to include animation elements inside <view>

… the <view> element has a number of animatable attributes

… doesn't really make sense to disallow <animate>, <set>, etc. children

Dirk: how is it restricted?

ED: the content model says only descriptive element children

… you can still target the animation from outside...

Dirk: the <view> element inherits from SVGElement, yes?

CM: yes

ED: I wouldn't think there are any implementations that don't handle animation elements here

CM: sounds fine to me

<scribe> ACTION: Erik to allow animation element children of <view> [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-svg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3494 - Allow animation element children of <view> [on Erik Dahlström - due 2013-05-23].

<Thomas_Smailus> OK, gotta go to my staff meeting.. dropping off. Cheers.

<richardschwerdtfeger> are we on now?

<richardschwerdtfeger> oy

<richardschwerdtfeger> I am off an hour

<richardschwerdtfeger> thx

tabindex

RS: I created a section in the Interaction chapter of SVG 2 that deals with sequential focus navigation

… I intentionally grabbed the text from HTML5 so the processing was the same

… we're a bit different in the way we specify our attributes, we have a table format

… I took the HTML spec bits and adapted it for our needs

… there are a couple of issues I need to resolve in terms of definitions

… don't know whether we just want to put those in our spec

… there are "in a document" and "document being rendered" terms that are used in HTML

<ed> https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/interact.html#Focus

… we could have our own definitions that match theirs

CM: I think I should have a read through of the changes to get an idea of whether to link to HTML or define in SVG

RS: I haven't gotten to the Document object changes yet

… probably we'd want that for the next WD

… do we have a focus method?

CM: no, SVG doesn't have one

RS: when you do tabindex="-1", it means the author can focus the element with a method

… we also discussed making the handlers match HTML5

… e.g. we don't have onblur etc.

… we have DOMFocusOut

… so we discussed deprecating those

<ed> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/svgudom.html#svg__SVGSVGElement does have some methods for setting focus

<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to review tabindex changes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-svg-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3495 - Review tabindex changes [on Cameron McCormack - due 2013-05-23].

ED: SVG Tiny 1.2 does have some DOM methods for setting focus

… not sure how much we should care about that though

… one of them takes a motion argument

… I think in Opera we just internally mapped them to HTML ones, with minor changes on top

RS: so you'd do .focus() internally?

ED: yes

RS: I think we'll need to do something like that to be consistent, so that makes sense

… I talked with Doug the other day, he was going to start working on the SVG Tiny navigation

ED: in SVG Tiny you have to get the root <svg> element, then call setFocus() with the element you want to focus

… which is a bit backwards compared to HTML's ones

… I think it's nicer to have the HTML one

CM: I think we shouldn't integrate the SVG Tiny methods

ED: at least we shouldn't have methods on SVGSVGElement like this

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