IRC log of html-a11y on 2013-05-16

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trackbot, start meeting

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be 2119

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 60 minutes ago

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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 16 May 2013

15:00:56 [chaals]

Chair: Chaals

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Regrets: SteveF

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agenda+ Identify Scribe

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agenda+ Outstanding text team bugs

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agenda+ overdue actions - misc: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>, media: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>, aria: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>

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agenda+ Longdesc bugs http://www.w3.org/mid/op.wwtyklsqy3oazb@chaals.local

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agenda+ Longdesc Public Draft

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agenda+ Any Other Business?

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15:01:37 [janina]

zakim, who's on the phone?

15:01:37 [Zakim]

WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has not yet started, janina

15:01:38 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, SuzanneT, chaals, darobin, MarkS, janina, MichaelC, hober, trackbot

15:02:04 [janina]

zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)

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ok, janina, I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM already started

15:02:13 [janina]

zakim, who's on the phone?

15:02:13 [Zakim]

On the phone I see MarkS, ??P3

15:02:32 [janina]

zakim, ??P3 is me

15:02:32 [Zakim]

+janina; got it

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+[Microsoft]

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+[IPcaller]

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zakim, [Microsoft] is me

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+paulc; got it

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+John_Foliot

15:03:12 [chaals]

zakim, accept my !!! passcode...

15:03:12 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'accept my !!! passcode', chaals

15:03:31 [chaals]

zakim, take up agendum 1

15:03:31 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from chaals]

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+ +1.619.846.aaaa

15:05:47 [janina]

scribe: janina

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+ +7.926.113.aabb

15:06:02 [chaals]

zakim, next item

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agendum 2. "Outstanding text team bugs" taken up [from chaals]

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zakim, aabb is me

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+chaals; got it

15:06:44 [chaals]

zakim, who is making noise?

15:06:55 [Zakim]

chaals, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: paulc (5%), John_Foliot (90%)

15:07:17 [janina]

topic: text bugs

15:07:27 [janina]

ms: No Triage call this week

15:07:43 [MarkS]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13449

15:08:00 [janina]

zakim, take up item 1

15:08:00 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from chaals]

15:08:09 [janina]

zakim, close item 1

15:08:09 [Zakim]

agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed

15:08:11 [Zakim]

I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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2. Outstanding text team bugs [from chaals]

15:08:14 [janina]

zakim, next item

15:08:14 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Outstanding text team bugs" taken up [from chaals]

15:09:42 [janina]

ms: Closed based on behavior of IE and FF

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and expectation that gui browsers would do the right thing anyway

15:10:06 [janina]

ms: suggests reopen

15:10:47 [janina]

cn: Are there other opinions?

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cn: To discuss in Triage?

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lw: Suggest TF decision

15:11:10 [Zakim]

+Cynthia_Shelly

15:11:28 [janina]

cn: Anyone else for reopening

15:11:36 [janina]

cn: Seems not. So we will leave it

15:11:55 [chaals]

RESOLUTION: 13449 stays closed in the absence of a champion to re-open.

15:12:04 [chaals]

zakim, close this item

15:12:04 [Zakim]

agendum 2 closed

15:12:05 [Zakim]

I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

15:12:05 [Zakim]

3. overdue actions - misc: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>, media:

15:12:05 [Zakim]

... <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>, aria: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html> [from chaals]

15:12:11 [chaals]

zakim, next item

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agendum 3. "overdue actions - misc: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>, media:

15:12:13 [Zakim]

... <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>, aria: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>" taken up [from chaals]

15:12:22 [janina]

zakim, take up item 3

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agendum 3. "overdue actions - misc: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>, media:

15:12:25 [Zakim]

... <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>, aria: <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0017.html>" taken up [from chaals]

15:12:48 [janina]

cn: Anyone noting one that should be closed? Or to discuss one of these?

15:13:21 [chaals]

zakim, close this item

15:13:21 [Zakim]

agendum 3 closed

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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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4. Longdesc bugs http://www.w3.org/mid/op.wwtyklsqy3oazb@chaals.local [from chaals]

15:13:25 [janina]

cn: Noting crickets. Will continue to ping

15:13:27 [chaals]

zakim, next item

15:13:27 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Longdesc bugs http://www.w3.org/mid/op.wwtyklsqy3oazb@chaals.local" taken up [from chaals]

15:13:28 [janina]

zakim, next item

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agendum 4 was just opened, janina

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cn: Reviewing additional remaining bugs

15:14:18 [janina]

cn: First relates to adding an attribute to denote presence of a longdesc

15:14:33 [chaals]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21987 -> add attribute

15:14:38 [janina]

cn: Propose 21987 to be closed

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crickets

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cn: So is closed

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cn: Next

15:15:09 [chaals]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21894 - define longdesc like cite instead of as a link

15:15:50 [janina]

cn: Propose to leave as is

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cn: Will close this

15:16:11 [chaals]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21988 - update URL definition to a link that works

15:16:26 [paulc]

q+

15:16:28 [janina]

cn: An editorial issue propose closing

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cn: Will be closed

15:16:35 [chaals]

ack paul

15:17:28 [janina]

pc: Wondering whether the longdesc spec supports the linkage the allows direct filing from the spec

15:17:35 [janina]

cn: Prefer not to

15:17:36 [chaals]

https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/default/longdesc1/longdesc.html -> editor's draft

15:17:50 [paulc]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013May/0097.html Media TF request

15:18:11 [paulc]

Media TF bug: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22062

15:18:50 [janina]

pc: MSE about to go LC, and it is believed this assists that process

15:18:59 [janina]

pc: No opinion here, simply suggesting the consideration

15:19:22 [janina]

cn: Don't believe we need it. It's a simple spec. We've cleared many bugs already.

15:19:36 [janina]

cn: It raises a risk of expediting bugs that poorly considered

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cn: It's just quite easy to file bugs

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cn: Notes that many reading the html spec seem to click the button to see what happens

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pc: My only reason to raise is to get wide review

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pc: Is true that HTML editorial team always triaging these

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cn: What do others think?

15:21:46 [janina]

jf: See no reason for it, especially on this particular attribute. We've researched and defended this so widely and completely

15:22:55 [janina]

js: Agree to leave as is

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cn: We'll leave as is

15:23:41 [janina]

cn: Turns out we need to nothing. The base element auto applies by default

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cn: Implementations not necessarily good at this

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cn: Unclear this is realword as it's unclear anyone uses base plus longdesc

15:24:29 [chaals]

zakim, close this iem

15:24:29 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'close this iem', chaals

15:24:42 [janina]

zakim, next item

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agendum 5. "Longdesc Public Draft" taken up [from chaals]

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cn: Proposing to publish as a stabilization draft

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cn: Call for consensus Monday

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cn: Tobe pub'd Tuesday

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cn: Idea is to fix anything remaining before we go LC

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pc: Any working draft from the TF needs approval from HTML and PF

15:27:54 [paulc]

MSE Pre-LC announcement: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0001.html

15:28:37 [janina]

pc: For MSE we point people to the editor's draft to avoid the formal Stabilization

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[discussion of timeline implications of the formal process]

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cn: anticipate finishing in spring

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cn: Ah, it's the Aussie spring!

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q+

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ack paul

15:40:22 [janina]

cn: Is there objection to a Stabilization Draft publication now?

15:41:22 [janina]

RESOLUTION: The Task Force approves publication of a Stabilization Draft for the HTML Image Description extension specification

15:41:35 [chaals]

zakim, close this item

15:41:35 [Zakim]

agendum 5 closed

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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

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6. Any Other Business? [from chaals]

15:42:32 [janina]

jf: Asking about a HTML spec walk through

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cn: We need to raise either here or in Bug Triage

15:44:12 [Zakim]

-Cynthia_Shelly

15:45:29 [janina]

js: Decision here was to walk through in separate telecons to identify

15:46:07 [janina]

cn: Ah, the chairs aren't in the same place on this, so need to discuss in coordination

15:46:33 [janina]

cn: Any further input for the chairs on this topic?

15:46:56 [janina]

pc: review what docs?

15:47:08 [janina]

cn: Do essentially what the HTML-WG did with the spec docs

15:47:08 [LJWatson]

q+

15:48:05 [janina]

pc: We expect CFCs soon on some of this soon

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cn: TF would check that it agrees with WG decisions specifically with "does it produce a11y issues or not"

15:48:57 [janina]

pc: Suggest determining the order of work and make it visible to the WG

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q+

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Overview of testing in view of CR exit: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tests-cr-exit.html

15:50:21 [janina]

cn: Suggest TF chairs should figure this out with HTML Chairs

15:51:07 [chaals]

ack me

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ack lj

15:51:22 [janina]

action: Charles to set up coordination of spec review for the TF chairs with the HTML WG chairs

15:51:22 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-181 - Set up coordination of spec review for the TF chairs with the HTML WG chairs [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2013-05-23].

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+David_MacDonald

15:52:16 [janina]

action: Charles to insure that Leonie is looped into action-181

15:52:16 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-182 - Insure that Leonie is looped into action-181 [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2013-05-23].

15:53:09 [janina]

ms: Notes regrets for next Thursday

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cn: Anyone else?

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cn: possibly me

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-[IPcaller]

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zakim, bye

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leaving. As of this point the attendees were MarkS, janina, [IPcaller], paulc, John_Foliot, +1.619.846.aaaa, +7.926.113.aabb, chaals, Cynthia_Shelly, David_MacDonald

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-html-a11y-minutes.html janina

16:17:01 [janina]

janina has changed the topic to: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference; Thursday 23 May at 15:00Z for 60 minutes

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