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13:58:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD
13:58:37 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
13:58:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
13:58:38 <trackbot> Date: 16 May 2013
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14:00:39 <Zakim> +Sandro
14:01:25 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: Govt Linked Data (GLD) WG - http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/ - current agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130516
14:01:50 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
14:01:59 <Zakim> +??P10
14:02:11 <olyerickson> zakim, ??p10 is me.
14:02:12 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it
14:02:17 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is here?
14:02:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see james, Sandro, HadleyBeeman, olyerickson
14:02:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see gatemezi, DaveReynolds, james, Zakim, RRSAgent, HadleyBeeman, olyerickson, cygri, TallTed, sandro, trackbot
14:02:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:04:29 <DaveReynolds> scribe: Dave Reynolds
14:04:32 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-05-09
14:04:35 <DaveReynolds> scribenick: DaveReynolds
14:04:37 <fadmaa> hi, am sorry I will only be on the IRC today.
14:04:39 <Zakim> +[LC]
14:04:49 <tinagheen> Zakim, [LC] is me
14:04:49 <Zakim> +tinagheen; got it
14:04:53 <olyerickson> +1 to minutes
14:05:10 <DaveReynolds> +1 to minutes
14:05:17 <james> +1
14:05:31 <DaveReynolds> Resolved: accept minutes  http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-05-09
14:05:40 <Zakim> +Mike_Pendleton
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14:06:03 <DaveReynolds> Topic: DCAT
14:06:15 <HadleyBeeman> Faadma, where are we on DCAT?  Does it need another last call?
14:06:21 <olyerickson> I don't think we need further discussion of DCAT Issue 60: ("rights") https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/60
14:06:32 <fadmaa> yes
14:06:44 <fadmaa> I think we need to go for a second call
14:06:57 <fadmaa> we need some time to respond to the issues and comments we received
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14:07:42 <fadmaa> I discussed with cygri today, he is also in favour of going for a second call
14:07:48 <DaveReynolds> olyerickson: Reporting on DCAT discussions 3 May. One topic was use of dct:rightsStatement instead of dct:license
14:08:01 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:08:09 <MariosMeimaris> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:08:09 <Zakim> +MariosMeimaris; got it
14:08:38 <DaveReynolds> olyerickson: agrees with use of dct:rightsStatement, believes this is editorial (?)
14:09:16 <fadmaa> dct rightStatement is strictly speaking not an editorial change
14:09:25 <fadmaa> as it affects conformance
14:09:43 <fadmaa> someone who used dct license instead before becomes non-conformant
14:09:48 <DaveReynolds> not as scribe - Dave Reynolds agree with fadmaa, not an editorial change
14:09:51 <Zakim> + +33.4.93.00.aaaa
14:10:04 <james> s/dct:rightsStatement/dct:rights/
14:10:18 <james> dct:RightsStatement is the range of dct:rights
14:11:42 <olyerickson> The action was for Hadley to talk to John and Fadi
14:12:44 <sandro> fadmaa, is the editor's draft ready for publication as a new TR now....?
14:13:18 <fadmaa> no. somme issues are still not resolved
14:13:31 <DaveReynolds> olyerickson: needs further conversation with fadmaa before ready to review for new publication
14:14:22 <olyerickson> fadmaa:  IS TECHNICALLY HERE
14:14:42 <DaveReynolds> action: olyerickson to coordinate with fadmaa to prepare DCAT for new last call publication
14:14:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-134 - Coordinate with fadmaa to prepare DCAT for new last call publication [on John Erickson - due 2013-05-23].
14:15:18 <HadleyBeeman> Glossary: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html
14:16:32 <DaveReynolds> Topic: Glossary
14:16:38 <DaveReynolds> HadleyBeeman: notes sandro has commented on one entry
14:16:53 <james> +1 to publish note, making it clear that it is not a final document and edits are still welcome, and possibly to create some actions around existing issues
14:17:03 <DaveReynolds> Sandro: could fix first, or could publish in current state and fix later
14:19:44 <DaveReynolds> not as scribe - I too will abstain
14:21:39 <olyerickson> I suggest we delay to tweak these star definitions to be more "actionable"
14:21:55 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: Publish the Linked Data Glossary (https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html), with a clear statement that it's a work-in-progress and we hope to improve it later.
14:22:03 <sandro> +0
14:22:13 <DaveReynolds> +0
14:22:19 <gatemezi> +1
14:22:30 <Mike_Pendleton> +0
14:22:34 <sandro> fadmaa?
14:22:35 <MariosMeimaris> +0
14:22:37 <olyerickson> +1 to pub as work inprogress
14:22:43 <tinagheen> +1
14:22:44 <james> +1 if we can also resolve to allow editor to resolve 5 star issue without having to loop back to WG
14:23:26 <fadmaa> I didn't follow on this issue
14:23:31 <fadmaa> +0
14:23:46 <james> +1 to what DaveReynolds is saying (consistent with my comment)
14:23:55 <olyerickson> "subject to resolution of 5-star defn issues to satisfaction of chairs"
14:24:14 <DaveReynolds> Proposed: approve publication of Glossary as WG note (https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html), subject to resolution of "5* issue" to satisfaction of chairs (which may include publishing as is)
14:24:28 <sandro> +0.25
14:24:31 <Mike_Pendleton> Biplav had numerous changes send in today
14:24:32 <james> 5-star issue includes Excel issue, no?
14:25:33 <gatemezi> @Mike_Pendleton/ I  guess they are more editorial changes...
14:25:51 <gatemezi> so more easier to handle than the issue raised by Sandro
14:26:12 <james> +1
14:26:14 <tinagheen> +1
14:26:19 <DaveReynolds> +1
14:26:22 <MariosMeimaris> +1
14:26:24 <olyerickson> +1 to new proposal
14:26:27 <gatemezi> +1 again
14:26:34 <Mike_Pendleton> +1
14:26:45 <DaveReynolds> Resolved: approve publication of Glossary as WG note (https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html), subject to resolution of "5* issue" to satisfaction of chairs (which may include publishing as is)
14:28:20 <DaveReynolds> action: olyerickson to suggest changes to 5 star text
14:28:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-135 - Suggest changes to 5 star text [on John Erickson - due 2013-05-23].
14:29:02 <DaveReynolds> Topic: JSON-LD response
14:29:11 <HadleyBeeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013May/0060.html
14:29:56 <DaveReynolds> HadeleyBeeman: need to review Marios-response. JSON-LD will be going to a second last call for API shortly.
14:30:11 <DaveReynolds> q+
14:30:18 <olyerickson> I got zero feedback from RPI hackers
14:30:26 <olyerickson> ...on JSON-LD
14:30:54 <MariosMeimaris> +q
14:31:05 <HadleyBeeman> DaveReynolds:  Main comment is for  1. Subjugation between JSON-LD and RDF model needs to be more specific.  "This is the mismatch and what we would like to see changed."
14:31:24 <HadleyBeeman> … I'm not so worried about the other comments.  Other working groups have had defs for URIs and IRIs.
14:31:46 <HadleyBeeman> … I'd be inclined not to rename @id.  It's been around too long
14:31:51 <sandro> q?
14:31:56 <DaveReynolds> ack me
14:32:02 <sandro> q+
14:33:48 <HadleyBeeman> ack marios
14:34:32 <james> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org/ uses URI, no IRI mentioned
14:34:59 <james> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/ uses both
14:35:06 <DaveReynolds> marios: in response to point 1, the WG is well aware of the differences but JSON-LD well established, so maybe our feedback should be more about clarifying the differences in the document
14:35:30 <DaveReynolds> s/marios/MariosMeimaris/
14:36:08 <DaveReynolds> sandro: suggests Marios send as personal comment
14:36:40 <james> q?
14:36:51 <james> ack sandro
14:36:51 <olyerickson> -1 to getting group consensus
14:37:16 <DaveReynolds> MariosMeimaris : could make response more detailed, the email was not supposed to be a draft response, just point out the issues that should be covered
14:37:42 <DaveReynolds> q+
14:38:33 <DaveReynolds> ack me
14:38:58 <DaveReynolds> DaveReynolds: suggests further delay not helpful, especially since no further Last Call on syntax document
14:39:08 <DaveReynolds> Sandro: focus on editorial comments would be more helpful
14:41:08 <DaveReynolds> HadleyBeeman: JSON-LD not going to CR for a few weeks, so there should be scope to feedback editorial comments
14:41:34 <DaveReynolds> Action: MariosMeimaris to draft response to JSON-LD by early next week
14:41:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-136 - Draft response to JSON-LD by early next week [on Marios Meimaris - due 2013-05-23].
14:41:57 <DaveReynolds> Topic: Best practices
14:43:08 <DaveReynolds> HadleyBeeman: asks gatemezi to chase timetable with Bernadette
14:43:15 <DaveReynolds> Topic: ADMS
14:43:41 <DaveReynolds> not as scribe - have scanned, not thorough review
14:44:20 <olyerickson> unmuting
14:44:33 <DaveReynolds> HadleyBeeman: only issue Phil is aware of is whether DCAT will have a contactPoint property that adms can reuse
14:45:14 <DaveReynolds> olyerickson: discussed, sees no problem adding it, but not sure of final decision
14:45:46 <fadmaa> +1 to add contactPoint to DCAT
14:47:09 <DaveReynolds> olyerickson: since going to chage dcat (for dct:rights) anyway can make this change at the same time
14:48:15 <james> +1 to add contactPoint to DCAT - the White House Project Open Data is recommending a non-standard "person" attribute for this property currently
14:48:25 <DaveReynolds> HadleyBeeman: asks olyerickson to reply to Phil on ADMS email thread when contactPoint has been added to DCAT
14:49:20 <DaveReynolds> action: olyerickson to add contactPoint property to ADMS
14:49:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-137 - Add contactPoint property to ADMS [on John Erickson - due 2013-05-23].
14:49:46 <DaveReynolds> action: olyerickson to notify Phil when contactPoint has been added so that it can be used in ADMS
14:49:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-138 - Notify Phil when contactPoint has been added so that it can be used in ADMS [on John Erickson - due 2013-05-23].
14:50:39 <DaveReynolds> HadleyBeeman: checks WG will be in a position to vote on ADMS next week - no comments to the contrary
14:50:50 <DaveReynolds> Topic: Regorg
14:50:59 <DaveReynolds> HadleyBeeman: no known outstanding issues
14:51:10 <DaveReynolds> (note as script) I've reviewed it, and am happy
14:51:11 <olyerickson> I have no issues with RegOrg
14:51:29 <DaveReynolds> james: happy with RegOrg
14:52:06 <DaveReynolds> Topic: tracker review
14:52:11 <gatemezi> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/raised
14:52:14 <olyerickson> tracker link?
14:52:56 <DaveReynolds> Most raised issues are DCAT
14:54:18 <DaveReynolds> olyerickson: most of these have been dealt with in the discussions, need to check each one. Most are believed resolved, need to confirm amongst the editors and update the tracker
14:55:17 <DaveReynolds> action: olyerickson to coordinate review of DCAT issues, send a status update to the list
14:55:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-139 - Coordinate review of DCAT issues, send a status update to the list [on John Erickson - due 2013-05-23].
14:55:28 <olyerickson> That's the last time I show up without the other DCAT guys ;)
14:55:33 <olyerickson> bye!@
14:55:36 <Zakim> -Mike_Pendleton
14:55:38 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
14:55:38 <Zakim> -Sandro
14:55:39 <Zakim> -olyerickson
14:55:39 <Zakim> -MariosMeimaris
14:55:40 <Zakim> -james
14:55:41 <Zakim> -gatemezi
14:55:43 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds
14:55:46 <Zakim> -tinagheen
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14:55:47 <Zakim> T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended
14:55:47 <Zakim> Attendees were james, Sandro, HadleyBeeman, olyerickson, DaveReynolds, tinagheen, Mike_Pendleton, MariosMeimaris, +33.4.93.00.aaaa, gatemezi
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14:55:49 <HadleyBeeman> Also, thank you DaveReynolds for scribing!
14:57:40 <DaveReynolds> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
14:57:49 <DaveReynolds> RRSAgent, generate minutes
14:57:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-gld-minutes.html DaveReynolds
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