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14:02:10 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3825
14:02:10 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
14:02:11 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG 2.0 Evaluation Methodology Task Force Teleconference
14:02:11 <trackbot> Date: 16 May 2013
14:02:26 <Detlev> hello
14:02:59 <richard> richard has joined #eval
14:03:05 <shadi> zakim, this is eval
14:03:05 <Zakim> ok, shadi; that matches WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM
14:03:06 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:03:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.301.975.aaaa, +49.404.318.aabb, Peter_Korn, ??P17, [IPcaller]
14:03:13 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is me
14:03:13 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
14:03:25 <shadi> zakim, aabb is Detlev
14:03:25 <Zakim> +Detlev; got it
14:03:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:03:31 <Liz> zakim; aaaa is Liz
14:03:33 <Detlev> Zakim, aabb is Detlev
14:03:33 <Zakim> sorry, Detlev, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
14:04:02 <Liz> zakim, aaaa is Liz
14:04:02 <Zakim> +Liz; got it
14:04:03 <Detlev> Zakim, aabb is Detlev
14:04:04 <Zakim> sorry, Detlev, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
14:04:16 <Zakim> +??P24
14:04:19 <Zakim> -Detlev
14:04:26 <ericvelleman> Zakim, p17 is ericvelleman
14:04:26 <Zakim> sorry, ericvelleman, I do not recognize a party named 'p17'
14:04:29 <richard> zakim, ??irpcall is richard
14:04:29 <Zakim> sorry, richard, I do not recognize a party named '??irpcall'
14:04:52 <richard> zakim, ipcaller is richard
14:04:52 <Zakim> +richard; got it
14:04:54 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, P24 is me
14:04:57 <Zakim> sorry, MartijnHoutepen, I do not recognize a party named 'P24'
14:05:04 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, ??P24 is me
14:05:04 <Zakim> +MartijnHoutepen; got it
14:05:05 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:05:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Liz, Peter_Korn, ??P17, shadi, richard, MartijnHoutepen
14:05:07 <Zakim> +Detlev
14:05:07 <ericvelleman> Zakim, P17 is ericvelleman
14:05:07 <Zakim> sorry, ericvelleman, I do not recognize a party named 'P17'
14:05:17 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, ??P17 is ericvelleman
14:05:17 <Zakim> +ericvelleman; got it
14:06:19 <Zakim> + +1.313.322.aacc
14:07:19 <shadi> zakim, aacc is Mike
14:07:19 <Zakim> +Mike; got it
14:08:28 <Detlev> Zakim, mute me
14:08:28 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
14:08:42 <Mike_Elledge> Mike_Elledge has joined #eval
14:09:15 <richard> OK
14:09:27 <shadi> scribe: richard
14:09:45 <shadi> Topic: Current State of Comments
14:10:53 <richard> Eric: we are trying to group comments - should be ready by next week
14:10:56 <MartijnHoutepen> zakim, mute me
14:10:56 <Zakim> MartijnHoutepen should now be muted
14:11:01 <shadi> zakim, who is making noise?
14:11:12 <Zakim> shadi, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Peter_Korn (45%), ericvelleman (17%), richard (31%)
14:12:39 <ericvelleman> <https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/48225/testrun/results>
14:12:39 <richard> Topic; Test run
14:12:57 <richard> Topic: test run
14:14:05 <richard> Eric: How do we input comments to eval?
14:15:13 <MartijnHoutepen> q+
14:15:18 <MartijnHoutepen> ack me
14:16:02 <richard> MartijnHoutepen: Perhaps we can share the load, each take on section
14:16:15 <MartijnHoutepen> zakim, mute me
14:16:15 <Zakim> MartijnHoutepen should now be muted
14:16:22 <shadi> regrets: Kathy, Sarah, Alistair, Moe
14:17:18 <korn> korn has joined #eval
14:17:42 <richard> Peter: can the evaluators take on teh task as they know what was beeing done
14:18:07 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
14:19:11 <richard> Eric: We asked people to do the evaluation - but we need to know whether it was clear and does it relate properly to WCAG - perhaps we should ask them first
14:19:23 <Detlev> q+
14:19:27 <korn> q+
14:19:40 <Detlev> ack me
14:20:34 <richard> Detlev: Suggest go through the questions one by one, ask the people who did it
14:20:41 <Detlev> Zakim, mute me
14:20:41 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
14:21:51 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn.a
14:21:55 <Zakim> -Peter_Korn
14:22:01 <richard> Liz: Not done it before - so new to the exercise. I would be good to say if it was clear instructions. I would like to hear from an evaluator first - can they follow
14:22:01 <MartijnHoutepen> q+
14:22:26 <Detlev> I can take over scribing for Richward
14:22:53 <MartijnHoutepen> q-
14:23:19 <Detlev> Richard: A volunteer should compile results from different people, focussing on the quality of the Evaluation procedure
14:23:49 <Detlev> q+
14:24:28 <Detlev> Richard: comparing different approches to Website #2 between Detlev and Richard
14:24:34 <Detlev> ack me
14:25:17 <korn> q-
14:25:32 <MartijnHoutepen> i would like to do the second one as well, probably able to do this this week
14:26:42 <MartijnHoutepen> q+
14:27:14 <richard> Detlev: One person is best, can we wait for more responses. I would like yo do test 1 - how many others can do something?
14:27:30 <richard> Richard: I agree - one is best.
14:27:51 <Zakim> -shadi
14:27:52 <richard> Detlev: I will be at the workshop - but might be able to do it by Wednesday
14:28:34 <Mike_Elledge> +1 for survey next week
14:28:39 <shadi_> shadi_ has joined #eval
14:29:03 <Zakim> +shadi
14:29:16 <richard> Eric: can we discuss the first survey next week - richard to summarise when Detlev has input.
14:29:31 <ericvelleman> q?
14:29:51 <richard> Shadi: Only Detlev & Shadi at workshop.
14:30:03 <Mike_Elledge> q+
14:30:05 <Detlev> ack me
14:30:11 <richard> Eric: Richard to set up summary
14:30:20 <ericvelleman> q?
14:31:13 <richard> ACTION: Richard to provide summary of test 1 results for next telco
14:31:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Provide summary of test 1 results for next telco [on Richard Warren - due 2013-05-23].
14:31:57 <ericvelleman> q?
14:32:10 <richard> Detlev: Can we have clearer instructions for the test - identify better what is to be covered.
14:32:11 <Detlev> Zakim, mute me
14:32:13 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
14:32:26 <MartijnHoutepen> ack me
14:32:59 <richard> MartijHoutepen: Can you open the tests again - second test
14:33:10 <MartijnHoutepen> zakim, mute me
14:33:10 <Zakim> MartijnHoutepen should now be muted
14:33:14 <richard> ACTION: Eric to re-open the tests
14:33:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Re-open the tests [on Eric Velleman - due 2013-05-23].
14:33:26 <ericvelleman> q?
14:34:26 <richard> Mike: How soon doe we need to have our comments in the tests? I would like to go through it more thoroughly
14:35:19 <ericvelleman> q?
14:35:28 <MartijnHoutepen> q- mike
14:35:35 <richard> Eric: It can we have comments by Tuesday midnight?
14:36:09 <richard> ACTION: All comments to be updated to test 1 by Tuesday midnight
14:36:10 <trackbot> Error finding 'All'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/2011/eval/track/users>.
14:36:19 <Detlev> didn'r Ricxhard just offer to compile results for #2 ??
14:36:46 <korn> q+
14:37:07 <korn> q-
14:37:42 <richard> Richard: Yes I am doing summary for test #1
14:38:35 <richard> Topic: Test run - Agenda Item 4
14:39:27 <richard> Eric: we will discuss test #1 next week. I will ask next week for volunteer to do test#2
14:39:28 <Detlev> then lets call it a day...
14:40:26 <richard> Shadi: Lets ask everyone to do some work on the tests as we have finished the meeting !!
14:40:47 <Liz> Bye
14:40:48 <Zakim> -Peter_Korn.a
14:40:48 <Detlev> bye! Ta!
14:40:49 <richard> Eric: Good idea, everyone spend teh spare time
14:40:55 <Zakim> -Detlev
14:40:56 <MartijnHoutepen> ack me
14:40:58 <Zakim> -ericvelleman
14:40:59 <Zakim> -shadi
14:41:01 <Zakim> -MartijnHoutepen
14:41:03 <Zakim> -Liz
14:41:04 <richard> bye
14:41:04 <Zakim> -Mike
14:41:08 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
14:41:11 <Zakim> -richard
14:41:13 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM has ended
14:41:13 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.301.975.aaaa, +49.404.318.aabb, Peter_Korn, shadi, Detlev, Liz, richard, MartijnHoutepen, ericvelleman, +1.313.322.aacc, Mike, Tim_Boland
14:41:15 <Mike_Elledge> Bye!
14:43:34 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:43:34 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:43:34 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:43:42 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:43:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-eval-minutes.html trackbot
14:43:43 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:43:43 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-eval-actions.rdf :
14:43:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Richard to provide summary of test 1 results for next telco [1]
14:43:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-eval-irc#T14-31-13
14:43:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Eric to re-open the tests [2]
14:43:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-eval-irc#T14-33-14
14:43:43 <RRSAgent> ACTION: All comments to be updated to test 1 by Tuesday midnight [3]
14:43:43 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/16-eval-irc#T14-36-09