15:55:27 RRSAgent has joined #dnt 15:55:27 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/05/15-dnt-irc 15:55:29 RRSAgent, make logs world 15:55:29 Zakim has joined #dnt 15:55:31 Zakim, this will be 15:55:31 I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot 15:55:32 zakim, this will be track 15:55:32 Meeting: Tracking Protection Working Group Teleconference 15:55:32 Date: 15 May 2013 15:55:33 ok, tlr; I see T&S_Track(dnt)12:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes 15:56:51 jeffwilson has joined #dnt 15:57:52 T&S_Track(dnt)12:00PM has now started 15:58:00 + +1.703.861.aaaa 15:58:04 zakim, call thomas-781 15:58:04 ok, tlr; the call is being made 15:58:06 +Thomas 15:58:13 zakim, aaaa is jeffwilson 15:58:13 +jeffwilson; got it 15:58:36 + +1.202.347.aabb 15:58:57 +Rigo 15:58:57 +??P16 15:59:02 sidstamm has joined #dnt 15:59:02 zakim, mute me 15:59:02 Rigo should now be muted 15:59:08 strider has joined #dnt 15:59:18 + +1.202.326.aacc 15:59:23 zakim, aabb is NAI 15:59:23 +NAI; got it 15:59:27 Just joined 15:59:39 adrianba has joined #dnt 15:59:41 hold on, just checking my number 15:59:43 zakim, ??P16 is Chris_IAB 15:59:43 +Chris_IAB; got it 15:59:44 mecallahan has joined #dnt 15:59:49 zakim, aacc is paulohm 15:59:49 +paulohm; got it 16:00:00 moneill2 has joined #dnt 16:00:26 + +1.212.768.aadd 16:00:27 JC has joined #DNT 16:00:27 Yianni has joined #DNT 16:00:27 +[Microsoft] 16:00:29 +[IPcaller] 16:00:30 + +1.323.253.aaee 16:00:30 zakim, [Microsoft] is me 16:00:31 +adrianba; got it 16:00:34 +[Mozilla] 16:00:36 hefferjr has joined #dnt 16:00:37 joining from 661-100-xxxx 16:00:40 zakim, [IPCaller] is me 16:00:40 +moneill2; got it 16:00:42 + +1.404.385.aaff 16:00:46 Zakim, Mozilla has sidstamm 16:00:46 +sidstamm; got it 16:00:47 + +1.202.587.aagg 16:00:48 zakim, mute me 16:00:48 adrianba should now be muted 16:00:51 Lmastria_DAA has joined #dnt 16:00:52 efelten has joined #dnt 16:00:59 WaltMichel has joined #DNT 16:00:59 zakim, mute me 16:00:59 sorry, Yianni, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 16:01:03 phildpearce has joined #dnt 16:01:06 JackHobaugh has joined #dnt 16:01:06 peterswire has joined #dnt 16:01:09 fielding has joined #dnt 16:01:13 ChrisPedigoOPA has joined #dnt 16:01:19 zakim, aagg is Yianni 16:01:19 +Yianni; got it 16:01:23 vinay has joined #dnt 16:01:24 +[Microsoft] 16:01:26 WileyS has joined #DNT 16:01:28 + +1.917.934.aahh 16:01:29 +hefferjr 16:01:34 zakim, mute me 16:01:35 susanisrael has joined #dnt 16:01:36 Yianni should now be muted 16:01:40 + +1.609.258.aaii 16:01:42 vincent has joined #dnt 16:01:43 + +1.202.697.aajj 16:01:53 Zakim, aaii is me 16:01:53 +efelten; got it 16:01:54 +vincent 16:01:54 zakim, I am thomas 16:01:55 ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas 16:01:56 +ChrisPedigoOPA 16:01:56 zakim, mute me 16:01:57 Thomas should now be muted 16:02:00 hwest has joined #dnt 16:02:01 +Fielding 16:02:02 Marc has joined #dnt 16:02:02 +npdoty 16:02:04 +WaltMichel_Comcast 16:02:07 a few more minutes then start 16:02:13 +WileyS 16:02:16 +[Adobe] 16:02:18 +hwest 16:02:18 +??P56 16:02:19 + +1.646.827.aakk 16:02:27 dwainberg has joined #dnt 16:02:28 + +44.772.301.aall 16:02:38 zakim, who is frantically typing? 16:02:38 I don't understand your question, rigo. 16:02:55 + +1.408.836.aamm 16:03:00 +Brooks 16:03:07 Brooks has joined #dnt 16:03:08 swire: thanks for all good work last week 16:03:09 Zakim, aamm is kulick 16:03:09 +kulick; got it 16:03:20 swire: consensus action suymmary is up on blog 16:03:41 zakim, aahh is vinay 16:03:41 +vinay; got it 16:03:44 jackhobaugh_ has joined #dnt 16:03:48 David_MacMillan has joined #dnt 16:03:50 swire: next steps: admin housekeeping, then on Consensus Action Summary (CAS) 16:03:51 +Peder_Magee 16:03:55 cOlsen has joined #dnt 16:04:01 jackhobaugh_ has left #dnt 16:04:06 jmayer has joined #dnt 16:04:18 peter-4As has joined #dnt 16:04:29 +schunter 16:04:38 Swire: admin housekeeping: issues and action items need to be coordinated (Yianni and Nick driving a doc) 16:04:39 +[FTC] 16:04:45 pmagee2023263538 has joined #dnt 16:04:51 + +1.650.365.aann 16:05:04 + +1.202.639.aaoo 16:05:10 202-697-2496 is peter-4As 16:05:13 +Jonathan_Mayer 16:05:13 Swire: hopefully: that open issues = accurately reflect real issues of group and include a renumbering issues 16:05:29 zakim aaoo is mecallahan 16:05:35 zakim, aajj is peter-4As 16:05:35 rvaneijk has joined #dnt 16:05:35 +peter-4As; got it 16:05:52 -schunter 16:05:55 swire: as a technical mnatter, requires a closing of issues...so, propose batch closing of issues 16:05:57 zakim, 917.934.1044 is susanisrael 16:05:57 sorry, susanisrael, I do not recognize a party named '917.934.1044' 16:05:58 Zakim, aajj is peter-4As 16:05:58 sorry, npdoty, I do not recognize a party named 'aajj' 16:06:07 + +31.65.141.aapp 16:06:11 Zakim, aahh may be susanisrael 16:06:11 sorry, npdoty, I do not understand your question 16:06:14 Zakim, aapp is me 16:06:14 +rvaneijk; got it 16:06:18 Zakim, aahh may be susanisrael 16:06:19 sorry, npdoty, I do not understand your question 16:06:24 Zakim, aahh is susanisrael 16:06:24 sorry, npdoty, I do not recognize a party named 'aahh' 16:06:28 swire: if you have an open issue that you want to remain open, then let us know 16:06:43 aahh could be me 16:06:46 rachel_n_thoams has joined #dnt 16:06:53 zakim, aahh may be lmastria_DAA 16:06:55 sorry, tlr, I do not understand your question 16:06:55 + +1.917.974.aaqq 16:06:55 zakim, +1.917.934.aahh is susanisrael 16:06:57 sorry, susanisrael, I do not recognize a party named '+1.917.934.aahh' 16:07:03 Nick: many issues can be merged 16:07:05 +Amy_Colando 16:07:06 rachel_n_thomas has joined #dnt 16:07:22 kj has joined #dnt 16:07:27 Zakim, ack Yianni 16:07:28 unmuting Yianni 16:07:28 I see no one on the speaker queue 16:07:30 +schunter 16:07:32 zakim, aahh is susanisrael 16:07:32 sorry, vincent, I do not recognize a party named 'aahh' 16:07:34 Nick: draft of HTML version of the issues avail right now and one will be sent later 16:07:40 zakim 202 639-aaoo is mecallahan 16:07:44 zakim lmastria_DAA is really susanisrael 16:07:45 q? 16:07:49 zakim, lmastria_DAA is really susanisrael 16:07:49 sorry, tlr, I do not recognize a party named 'lmastria_DAA' 16:07:49 Yianni: prelim draft...pls send back comments 16:07:50 I think I'm aahh. Susan and I have the same phone number prefix 16:07:55 Zakim, aaoo is mecallahan 16:07:55 +mecallahan; got it 16:08:03 +[IPcaller] 16:08:06 ah well, we'll figure that one out. Giving up on the right association on that point. ;) 16:08:07 Zakim, mute me 16:08:07 Yianni should now be muted 16:08:22 swire: check in on next steps 16:08:44 dsinger has joined #dnt 16:08:50 +[Apple] 16:08:52 swire: Audience Measurement: Susan Israel: further proposed language to help align with DAA docs prior to next call 16:08:57 Chapell__on_skype_ has joined #DNT 16:09:01 zakim, [apple] has dsinger 16:09:01 +dsinger; got it 16:09:05 q+ 16:09:20 Susan Israel: right now, calling and validating esomar language 16:09:28 Zakim, aaqq is justin 16:09:28 +justin; got it 16:09:32 ack ri 16:09:32 q? 16:10:09 Rigo: mainly, explains role in Aud Meas...facilitate dialogue and come to a wording that is acceptable to both sides 16:10:19 q? 16:10:21 strider has joined #dnt 16:10:35 Rigo: working toward 1st draft 16:10:37 Zakim, aadd is [DAA] 16:10:37 +[DAA]; got it 16:11:20 as long as there is no audience attribution (application to of the audience measurement data to the individual) we may have a shot at a permitted use for Aud Meas. 16:11:34 q? 16:11:46 Zakim, who is on the phone? 16:11:46 On the phone I see jeffwilson, Thomas (muted), NAI, Chris_IAB, Rigo, paulohm, [DAA], adrianba (muted), moneill2, +1.323.253.aaee, [Mozilla], +1.404.385.aaff, Yianni (muted), 16:11:49 ... [Microsoft], vinay, hefferjr, efelten, peter-4As, vincent, ChrisPedigoOPA, Fielding, npdoty, WaltMichel_Comcast, WileyS, hwest, [Adobe], wseltzer, +1.646.827.aakk, 16:11:49 ... +44.772.301.aall, kulick, Brooks, Peder_Magee, [FTC], +1.650.365.aann, mecallahan, Jonathan_Mayer, rvaneijk, justin, Amy_Colando, schunter, [IPcaller], [Apple] 16:11:49 [Mozilla] has sidstamm 16:11:49 [Apple] has dsinger 16:11:49 +shadi 16:11:53 q? 16:12:07 Zakim, aaff is peterswire 16:12:07 +peterswire; got it 16:12:09 swire: User Agents and work connected to that...several people starting to have mtgs, peter is not necessarily part of the mtgs...outside of chair...but when discussions come back to group, then full group 16:12:19 q? 16:12:20 zakim, ipcaller is walter 16:12:20 +walter; got it 16:12:33 zakim mute me 16:12:36 Lmastria_DAA: I think we're just evaluating per your framework what is available to be done, and hopefully come back to the larger group 16:12:42 + +1.202.478.aarr 16:12:53 Lou: evaluting what is available and then come back to larger group 16:13:04 zakim, +1.202.478.aarr is rachel_n_thomas 16:13:05 +rachel_n_thomas; got it 16:13:26 q? 16:13:32 Swire: efelten: technical aspects of other UAs...peter talking w W3C re UA not mtg 3 functional areas in CAS 16:13:36 +q 16:13:37 ack t 16:13:39 ack thomas 16:13:44 ChrisPedigoOPA_ has joined #dnt 16:13:59 +q 16:14:30 tlr: data retntion: perhaps find time for a side mtg to progress data retention 16:14:31 ChrisPedigoOPA__ has joined #dnt 16:14:41 + +1.650.595.aass 16:14:43 timing for side mtg = later this week or next 16:14:47 - +1.323.253.aaee 16:15:00 ChrisPedigo has joined #dnt 16:15:17 ChrisPedigoOPA___ has joined #dnt 16:15:33 Zakim, who is on the phone? 16:15:33 On the phone I see jeffwilson, Thomas, NAI, Chris_IAB, Rigo, paulohm, [DAA], adrianba (muted), moneill2, [Mozilla], peterswire, Yianni (muted), [Microsoft], vinay, hefferjr, 16:15:34 Shane: discussed tri-state de-id: working to evolve it to principles...happy to continue moving this fwd 16:15:36 ... efelten, peter-4As, vincent, ChrisPedigoOPA, Fielding, npdoty, WaltMichel_Comcast, WileyS, hwest, [Adobe], wseltzer, +1.646.827.aakk, +44.772.301.aall, kulick, Brooks, 16:15:36 ... Peder_Magee, [FTC], +1.650.365.aann, mecallahan, Jonathan_Mayer, rvaneijk, justin, Amy_Colando, schunter, walter, [Apple], shadi, rachel_n_thomas, +1.650.595.aass 16:15:36 [Mozilla] has sidstamm 16:15:36 [Apple] has dsinger 16:15:40 Zakim, +44.772.301.aall is phildpearce 16:15:41 +phildpearce; got it 16:15:46 please include me as well 16:15:58 q? 16:16:02 ack WileyS 16:16:03 johnsimpson has joined #dnt 16:16:04 ack jmayer 16:16:06 Jonathan: question to raise re: issue maintenance 16:16:22 I would like to participate in retention discussion as well 16:16:27 Jonathan: types and tiddying up = non-objectionable 16:16:39 q+ 16:16:42 +AnnaLong 16:16:52 AnnaLong has joined #dnt 16:16:58 tlr, can you please ensure I am copied on the work regarding the 3-part de-id proposal (with Shane)? 16:16:58 interested in retention for tlr: Shane, Chris M., Alan C. 16:17:07 +johnsimpson 16:17:18 @npdoty, thanks 16:17:36 Apologies, LA traffic much worse than normal... 16:17:39 Jonathan: there are some issues w substance: don't drop all history. proposal: mapping of old issues to new issues. 16:18:13 the format we'll be sharing will include a list of each issue, and its specific modification (renaming, merging, changing status) 16:18:29 Swire: clarifying: tidying up (from old list to new list) 16:18:33 @npdoty, you should probably add Lmastria_DAA, Mike Zaneis and Marc Groman to that list of people to follow/participate in that work 16:19:44 for the most part, we won't be closing many issues, but noting Pending Review (Stable) for the ones on which the group doesn't seem to be discussing actively 16:19:55 q? 16:19:59 Swire: claryfing: some issues not part of draft framework...proposed: start w a slender list and if someone requests that an issue needs to be kept, then (as long as it has text) and if no one else in WG agrees, then ok 16:20:03 ack th 16:20:11 q? 16:20:23 Ari has joined #dnt 16:20:29 tlr: critical piece: organize work...not make decisions that are hard to be undone 16:20:46 I'd like to respond. 16:20:53 tlr: organize set of questions to the group in a better way 16:21:13 q? 16:21:40 how soon will we see the new issues list? 16:21:45 tlr: what Jonathan has been doing is close to what Yianni and Nick have been doing 16:21:52 zakim, mute me 16:21:52 Thomas should now be muted 16:22:12 Wendy ( IRC) closing w/o prejudice to reopen 16:22:17 -Amy_Colando 16:22:41 Jonathan: dropping substantive issues? 16:22:46 ack thomas 16:23:18 Let me confirm my understanding: merely expressing interest in a long-standing issue is sufficient to prevent it from getting dropped. 16:24:14 I agree that this will be an easier conversation to have with specifics. So let's do that. 16:24:26 -vincent 16:24:26 tlr: discussion would be mroe fruitful in the specific issues...issues would be closed w/o prejudice...start with the list that Yianni and Nick produce...burden to reopen is low...let's look at the actual proposals 16:24:34 q+ for one plea 16:24:41 When do we expect to have the list? 16:25:01 johnsimpson, roughly, later today 16:25:16 swire:one example = 4th item on CAS...discussed opening an issue for role of unique identifiers 16:25:24 q? 16:25:51 q? 16:25:56 ack dsinger 16:25:56 dsinger, you wanted to discuss one plea 16:25:59 dsinger: if reopen issue: if you want to keep something open, let chair speak for consensus of group 16:26:12 q? 16:26:30 tlr: question re #4 16:26:54 if you want to keep an issue or action open, have something to say yourself; sometimes people say things like "I don't think we have consensus" when they don't have an issue themselves; please let the chairs determine consensus, and be clear what your own issues are 16:27:33 -walter 16:27:33 We don't have any substance to discuss? 16:27:46 if people want to put it on the table, then happy to 16:27:59 Seems to me we spend a lot of time on process and not text…. 16:27:59 -justin 16:28:02 swire: caucusing and possible paths may be emerging from the CAS workstreams/side meetings 16:28:02 -rachel_n_thomas 16:28:04 -[FTC] 16:28:05 -peterswire 16:28:05 -hefferjr 16:28:06 - +1.650.365.aann 16:28:06 -ChrisPedigoOPA 16:28:06 - +1.650.595.aass 16:28:06 end early 16:28:07 -vinay 16:28:07 -Rigo 16:28:07 -[Mozilla] 16:28:07 -WileyS 16:28:08 -efelten 16:28:08 -Thomas 16:28:08 -WaltMichel_Comcast 16:28:09 -peter-4As 16:28:10 -adrianba 16:28:10 sidstamm has left #dnt 16:28:11 -[Microsoft] 16:28:11 -kulick 16:28:11 -moneill2 16:28:11 -rvaneijk 16:28:11 -Fielding 16:28:12 -hwest 16:28:12 -NAI 16:28:13 - +1.646.827.aakk 16:28:13 -[Adobe] 16:28:14 -paulohm 16:28:14 -Yianni 16:28:16 Lmastria_DAA has left #dnt 16:28:17 -jeffwilson 16:28:19 quick check in call, yield back the rest of the time to the group. 16:28:21 -shadi 16:28:22 -johnsimpson 16:28:24 -[Apple] 16:28:26 -Peder_Magee 16:28:26 -Brooks 16:28:27 -Chris_IAB 16:28:27 -npdoty 16:28:30 -wseltzer 16:28:31 Zakim, list attendees 16:28:31 -[DAA] 16:28:31 As of this point the attendees have been +1.703.861.aaaa, Thomas, jeffwilson, +1.202.347.aabb, Rigo, +1.202.326.aacc, NAI, Chris_IAB, paulohm, +1.212.768.aadd, +1.323.253.aaee, 16:28:31 ... adrianba, moneill2, +1.404.385.aaff, sidstamm, +1.202.587.aagg, Yianni, [Microsoft], +1.917.934.aahh, hefferjr, +1.609.258.aaii, +1.202.697.aajj, efelten, vincent, 16:28:32 ... ChrisPedigoOPA, Fielding, npdoty, WaltMichel_Comcast, WileyS, [Adobe], hwest, +1.646.827.aakk, wseltzer, +1.408.836.aamm, Brooks, kulick, vinay, Peder_Magee, schunter, [FTC], 16:28:32 ... +1.650.365.aann, +1.202.639.aaoo, Jonathan_Mayer, peter-4As, +31.65.141.aapp, rvaneijk, +1.917.974.aaqq, Amy_Colando, mecallahan, dsinger, justin, [DAA], shadi, peterswire, 16:28:32 ... walter, rachel_n_thomas, +1.650.595.aass, phildpearce, AnnaLong, johnsimpson 16:28:36 rrsagent, please draft the minutes 16:28:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/15-dnt-minutes.html npdoty 16:28:47 -phildpearce 16:28:53 -schunter 16:29:15 -Jonathan_Mayer 16:29:53 +Amy_Colando 16:29:57 -AnnaLong 16:30:00 johnsimpson has left #dnt 16:30:03 -Amy_Colando 16:30:59 rvaneijk has joined #dnt 16:31:51 -mecallahan 16:31:53 T&S_Track(dnt)12:00PM has ended 16:31:53 Attendees were +1.703.861.aaaa, Thomas, jeffwilson, +1.202.347.aabb, Rigo, +1.202.326.aacc, NAI, Chris_IAB, paulohm, +1.212.768.aadd, +1.323.253.aaee, adrianba, moneill2, 16:31:53 ... +1.404.385.aaff, sidstamm, +1.202.587.aagg, Yianni, [Microsoft], +1.917.934.aahh, hefferjr, +1.609.258.aaii, +1.202.697.aajj, efelten, vincent, ChrisPedigoOPA, Fielding, 16:31:54 ... npdoty, WaltMichel_Comcast, WileyS, [Adobe], hwest, +1.646.827.aakk, wseltzer, +1.408.836.aamm, Brooks, kulick, vinay, Peder_Magee, schunter, [FTC], +1.650.365.aann, 16:31:54 ... +1.202.639.aaoo, Jonathan_Mayer, peter-4As, +31.65.141.aapp, rvaneijk, +1.917.974.aaqq, Amy_Colando, mecallahan, dsinger, justin, [DAA], shadi, peterswire, walter, 16:31:54 ... rachel_n_thomas, +1.650.595.aass, phildpearce, AnnaLong, johnsimpson 16:32:55 rigo has joined #dnt 16:34:00 strider has joined #dnt 16:48:29 strider has joined #dnt 16:51:05 T&S_Track(dnt)12:00PM has now started 16:51:13 +schunter 16:51:46 -schunter 16:51:47 T&S_Track(dnt)12:00PM has ended 16:51:47 Attendees were schunter 17:07:46 strider has joined #dnt 17:12:28 dsinger has joined #dnt 17:31:34 strider has joined #dnt 17:40:14 schunter has joined #dnt 18:29:17 Zakim has left #dnt 18:45:03 rvaneijk_ has joined #dnt 18:46:50 zakim, who is here? 18:47:35 Zakim has joined #dnt 18:47:39 zakim, who is here? 18:47:39 sorry, rvaneijk_, I don't know what conference this is 18:47:40 On IRC I see rvaneijk_, rigo, rvaneijk, David_MacMillan, RRSAgent, npdoty, hober, Walter, trackbot, tlr, mischat, wseltzer 18:47:56 ISSUE: define new word for yellow state due to the fact that the process of de-identification spans all three states (red,yellow and green). 18:47:56 Created ISSUE-198 - Define new word for yellow state due to the fact that the process of de-identification spans all three states (red,yellow and green).; please complete additional details at . 18:49:37 zakim, please leave 18:49:37 Zakim has left #dnt 19:56:08 strider has joined #dnt 20:18:23 strider has joined #dnt 20:27:30 rvaneijk has joined #dnt 20:29:11 schunter has joined #dnt 22:34:47 strider has joined #dnt 22:35:59 strider has joined #dnt 22:39:58 npdoty_ has joined #dnt 22:44:32 npdoty_ has joined #dnt