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17:00:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
17:00:31 <trackbot> Date: 09 May 2013
17:00:45 <clown> rrsagent, make log public
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17:00:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/09-aapi-minutes.html clown
17:01:45 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)1:00PM has now started
17:01:52 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
17:02:00 <clown> zakim GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:06 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:06 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
17:02:12 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:12 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:44 <clown> agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013May/0001.html
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17:07:32 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
17:07:47 <clown> zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
17:07:47 <Zakim> +David_Bolter; got it
17:08:19 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:08:38 <clown> zakim, Microsoft is Cynthi_Shelley
17:08:38 <Zakim> +Cynthi_Shelley; got it
17:08:57 <clown> Topic:  ACTION-1200
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17:09:06 <clown> action-1200?
17:09:06 <trackbot> ACTION-1200 -- Cynthia Shelly to create table for author errors in UAIG, with columns for each API. -- due 2013-05-01 -- OPEN
17:09:06 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200
17:09:54 <clown> JS:  <outlines the action>
17:10:09 <clown> CS:  I will put that on my list to do this week.
17:11:02 <clown> CS:  I will send some html to you because I have no access to the document.
17:11:06 <clown> JS:  that will be fine.
17:11:09 <clown> topic:  action-851
17:11:13 <clown> action-851?
17:11:14 <trackbot> ACTION-851 -- Cynthia Shelly to look through APG design patterns re: menus for examples that relate to UAIG 5.8.4 -- due 2013-02-01 -- OPEN
17:11:14 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/851
17:12:03 <clown> CS:  I remember this as being as closed at the f2f.
17:12:12 <clown> CS: that we were just not going to add the examples, and punt it.
17:12:21 <clown> CS:  let me find the f2f minutes.
17:13:16 <cyns> https://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-pf-minutes.html
17:13:47 <clown> CS:  we decided to just make it a SHOULD.
17:13:59 <clown> JS:  that means no tests are required for CR testing.
17:16:16 <clown> JS:  I'll make a note in the action item, and add the SHOULD if need be.  Then I'll close the action.
17:17:56 <davidb> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_menus
17:20:09 <clown> DB:  I agree.
17:20:25 <clown> topic:  Issue-550
17:20:28 <clown> issue-550?
17:20:28 <trackbot> ISSUE-550 -- Come up with a date to stop editing UAIG in preparation for the next Last Call Draft -- open
17:20:28 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
17:22:03 <clown> JS:  only things remaining are the menu events, which we just discussed and this bugzilla:
17:22:03 <clown> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19772#c5
17:22:35 <clown> CS:  it says I can close the bug.  I will.
17:22:45 <clown> JS:  and I will add back in the text.
17:24:14 <clown> JS:  once I fix the menu event section and the expanded-on-combobox action, 550 will be done.
17:24:40 <clown> topic:  outstanding issues and actions.
17:24:46 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
17:25:55 <clown> issue-552?
17:25:55 <trackbot> ISSUE-552 -- UAIG spec. is inaccurate wrt selection events pertaining to aria-selected being applied (MSAA/IA2) -- open
17:25:55 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/552
17:26:39 <clown> JS:  here is more info from Rich:
17:26:41 <clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013JanMar/0083.html
17:29:28 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection
17:30:27 <clown> DB:  this is the kind of thing I would rather do outside the meeting.
17:30:35 <clown> DB:  could I have an action?
17:31:07 <clown> action:  David to look into ISSUE-552 and report back on how to deal with it.
17:31:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1220 - Look into ISSUE-552 and report back on how to deal with it. [on David Bolter - due 2013-05-16].
17:31:21 <clown> action-1220?
17:31:21 <trackbot> ACTION-1220 -- David Bolter to look into ISSUE-552 and report back on how to deal with it. -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
17:31:21 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1220
17:32:26 <clown> issue-559?
17:32:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-559 -- Missing member of relationships -- open
17:32:26 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/559
17:36:55 <clown> DB:  it's in the table for aria-atomic.
17:37:18 <clown> DB:  but, in section 5.8.2, it only talks about ATK/AT-SPI
17:37:28 <clown> JS:  and, it's a SHOULD in 5.8.2, but the table is a MUST.
17:38:12 <clown> DB:  that's inconsistent.  We should simply refer back to aria-atomic from section 5.8.3 and remove the SHOULD text.
17:38:17 <clown> JS:  I agree.
17:39:27 <clown> action:  Joseph for ISSUE-559, remove the text near the end of the section about ATK/AT-SPI about aria-atomic and member-of, and point to the aria-atomic='true' entry in the mapping table.
17:39:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1221 - For ISSUE-559, remove the text near the end of the section about ATK/AT-SPI about aria-atomic and member-of, and point to the aria-atomic='true' entry in the mapping table. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-05-16].
17:39:50 <clown> action-1221?
17:39:50 <trackbot> ACTION-1221 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to for ISSUE-559, remove the text near the end of the section about ATK/AT-SPI about aria-atomic and member-of, and point to the aria-atomic='true' entry in the mapping table. -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
17:39:50 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1221
17:40:45 <clown> issue-560?
17:40:45 <trackbot> ISSUE-560 -- MSAA/IA2 spec. inconsistent with implementation in FF on aria-activedescendant -- open
17:40:45 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/560
17:42:28 <clown> issue-586?
17:42:28 <trackbot> ISSUE-586 does not exist.
17:42:36 <clown> issue-583?
17:42:36 <trackbot> ISSUE-583 -- Elements that are descendants of an element having aria-activedescendant should not all be focusable -- open
17:42:36 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/583
17:43:03 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=190
17:43:29 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=190
17:44:37 <clown> JS:  Looks like time has fixed the issue.  Rich passed the test on April 4.
17:47:22 <clown> resolved:  close ISSUE-560 since the test case passes under MSAA+IA2.
17:52:31 <clown> DB:  what about issue 583?
17:53:57 <clown> JS:  Rich has pointed out that some descendants are not for interaction, and should not be focusable.
17:54:35 <clown> JS:  he has suggested to add a constraint that the descendant must have an ID attribute.
17:55:01 <clown> DB:  that's not robust.
17:55:13 <clown> JS:  I agree.
17:55:52 <davidb> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focus_aria-activedescendant
18:00:25 <clown> DB:  look at 4 A:  the aa at least requires a role.
18:00:46 <clown> DB:  but unclear what the latter part of the statement about HTML elements.
18:01:56 <clown> DB:  I think it also means that any descendant that has an ID and a role, or is a focusable HTML element (input, anchor, tab ndex), qualifies as focus-able.
18:02:56 <Zakim> -Cynthi_Shelley
18:03:37 <clown> action:  David to look into ISSUE-583, and think about section 4.3, step 4A to see if that answers the question.
18:03:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1222 - Look into ISSUE-583, and think about section 4.3, step 4A to see if that answers the question. [on David Bolter - due 2013-05-16].
18:03:45 <clown> action-1222?
18:03:45 <trackbot> ACTION-1222 -- David Bolter to look into ISSUE-583, and think about section 4.3, step 4A to see if that answers the question. -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
18:03:45 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1222
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18:06:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/09-aapi-minutes.html clown
18:06:51 <clown> present:  David_Bolter
18:07:01 <clown> present+ Cynthia_Shelley
18:07:19 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:07:30 <clown> Chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
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