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13:21:20 <jmccrae> zakim, this will be Telco 03.05.2012
13:21:20 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, jmccrae
13:22:13 <jmccrae> Topic: Discussion of semiotics model
13:22:20 <jmccrae> Agreement on class names
13:22:31 <jmccrae> Not on property names
13:23:27 <jmccrae> name of concept/synset?
13:24:22 <jmccrae> Paul: "synset" is too specific
13:24:53 <jmccrae> unionist model of SKOS and OWL?
13:26:55 <jmccrae> is a lexical concept different from a synset?
13:28:20 <jmccrae> Paul: The key denotation of meaning is between lexical entry and ontology entity
13:30:46 <jmccrae> matching to linguistic resources involves an "explosion" of semantic objects
13:33:13 <jmccrae> Paul: model captures different levels in the semantics, is this core to the ontolex model?
13:33:55 <jmccrae> Paul: Core of the group is adding morphosyntactic information to ontologies
13:35:05 <jmccrae> Lupe: Concept is conflux of different models: WordNet FrameNet etc.
13:39:57 <jmccrae> Lexical Entry and Ontology entity is core, Lexical Sense is required for annotation of word+meaning simultaneously
13:40:44 <jmccrae> Concept is non-core, and captures annotation that is not in formal logic and not given to a word
13:41:50 <jmccrae> Francesa: How do we find senses?
13:42:13 <jmccrae> Philipp: Senses are defined by concepts in legacy resources/ontology entities used for each word
13:43:00 <jmccrae> Not in the group to define the process for defining senses
13:48:22 <jmccrae> "synset" is too technical and only part of WordNet
13:49:00 <jmccrae> Lupe: Not happy with "lexical" (word) and "concept" (representation)
13:49:24 <jmccrae> Alessandro: "lexical concept" is a concept with a lexicalization
13:49:52 <jmccrae> Armando: "lexicalized concept" is better (?)
13:52:29 <jmccrae> Other options "meaning" or "intention"
13:53:54 <jmccrae> Philipp: concepts may not always be lexicalized
13:54:11 <jmccrae> Lupe: What about the combinations "syn-con" or "con-set"
13:54:32 <jmccrae> Philipp: Intention is perhaps closest to what we mean
13:54:41 <jmccrae> *Intension
13:58:58 <jmccrae> Philipp: link between sense and concept is similar to FrameNet's evokes property
14:04:57 <jmccrae> Armando: Properties in other direction
14:06:15 <jmccrae> yes, they should be included by formula, e.g., "sense" to "isSenseOf"
14:06:40 <jmccrae> zakim, bye
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14:06:48 <jmccrae> rrsagent, make log public
14:06:56 <jmccrae> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:06:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/03-ontolex-minutes.html jmccrae
14:09:22 <jmccrae> rrsagent, bye
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