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20:58:14 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be INDIE
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20:58:15 <trackbot> Meeting: Independent User Interface Task Force Teleconference
20:58:15 <trackbot> Date: 01 May 2013
20:58:22 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
20:58:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0
20:58:31 <janina> zakim, ??P0 is Janina_Sajka
20:58:32 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
20:59:01 <janina> Meeting: IndieUI Task Force Teleconference
20:59:01 <janina> Chair: Janina_Sajka
20:59:01 <janina> agenda+ TPAC2013 https://www.w3.org/2013/11/TPAC/
20:59:01 <janina> agenda+ Editor's Update
20:59:01 <janina> agenda+ Key Values/Properties Proposal and need for an external model view http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Proposals/KeyValueProperties
20:59:04 <Zakim> +??P1
20:59:04 <janina> agenda+ Relation of User Context to WebSchemas/Accessibility http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility
20:59:07 <janina> agenda+ User Context Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/3
20:59:10 <janina> agenda+ Events Issues & Actions https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/products/2
20:59:13 <janina> agenda+ Privacy and Security: The cases for exposing AT
20:59:16 <janina> agenda+ Renaming POR: Open Discussion
20:59:18 <janina> agenda+ Scribe for our Next Teleconference (on 15 May at 21:00Z)
20:59:21 <janina> agenda+ Be Done
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21:00:26 <Zakim> +Cooper
21:00:31 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
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21:00:46 <Zakim> +??P3
21:01:04 <janina>  zakim, ??P3 is Jason_White
21:01:04 <Zakim> +Jason_White; got it
21:01:05 <Zakim> +Rich
21:02:35 <janina> James, Keep trying. There's about 5 of us on the call so far
21:02:47 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P1 is Andy_Heath
21:02:47 <Zakim> +Andy_Heath; got it
21:03:20 <Zakim> +[Apple]
21:03:40 <jcraig> Zakim, Apple has jcraig
21:03:40 <Zakim> +jcraig; got it
21:03:56 <MichaelC> scribe: Ryladog
21:04:00 <janina> scribe: katie
21:04:04 <MichaelC> scribe: Ryladog
21:04:15 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
21:04:15 <Zakim> agendum 1. "TPAC2013 https://www.w3.org/2013/11/TPAC/" taken up [from janina]
21:04:49 <Ryladog> Agenda 1
21:06:22 <Ryladog> JS: Who can make it to China for TPAC this year, I would like to know this week please
21:07:18 <Ryladog> JS: Near Hong Kong for Airrports - Nov 11  the through 15th
21:08:02 <Ryladog> JC: May not be able to go if PF folks may not be going  - Indie UI to justify the trip I need to show which technologies
21:08:34 <Ryladog> KHS: I May be able to come, as my company is there
21:08:50 <Ryladog> JW: If I can find money and time
21:09:16 <Ryladog> JC: The hours might be better for teleconferencing in for ausiies
21:10:05 <Ryladog> Zakim, take up next item
21:10:05 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Editor's Update" taken up [from janina]
21:10:07 <janina> zakim, next item
21:10:07 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, janina
21:11:32 <jcraig> ACTION-13?
21:11:32 <trackbot> ACTION-13 -- James Craig to add event for moving focus to app toolbar(s), palettes, etc. -- due 2012-10-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW
21:11:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/13
21:11:35 <jcraig> ACTION-14?
21:11:35 <trackbot> ACTION-14 -- James Craig to add directional navigations event with 8-way directional order property (e.g. n, ne, e, se, …) -- due 2012-11-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW
21:11:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/14
21:11:35 <Ryladog> JC: Late last night Peter Harms changed the camelcase - main chnages to events Action 13, 14 and 15 that rae all about focus change events
21:11:39 <jcraig> ACTION-15?
21:11:39 <trackbot> ACTION-15 -- James Craig to add logical previous/next event (not tied to directional focus event) (maybe focusNextRequest and focusPreviousRequest?) -- due 2012-11-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW
21:11:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/15
21:12:21 <janina> regrets: Richard_Simpson
21:12:23 <Ryladog> JC: I cteateed a new UI that has events for all of these type - direction, linear and ? focus change
21:13:29 <Ryladog> JC: I think there are issues with standard focus developer undertsnading using mthe standard browser focus events - focus next, last, etc would only be useful for a subset
21:14:14 <Ryladog> JC: If it is not in the DON there is no way in the browser standard focus events - so you would use the UI events for this
21:14:17 <jcraig> Interface: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/IndieUI/raw-file/default/src/indie-ui-events.html#UIFocusRequestEvent
21:14:28 <jcraig> Event types: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/IndieUI/raw-file/default/src/indie-ui-events.html#UIFocusRequestEvents
21:14:33 <Zakim> -Andy_Heath
21:14:35 <Ryladog> RS: You want to give focus to something that is not in the DOM at all?
21:15:12 <Ryladog> JC: No let me explaina a bit - in ARIA we habve this concept of talking about a dataset that is larger than that which is represented in the DOM
21:15:21 <andy> i seem to have geek kicked out
21:15:36 <Ryladog> JC: Say you were on rows of 20 of 100 and you want to ove to row 21
21:15:53 <Ryladog> RS: So you wan t the DOM to go fetch it?
21:16:07 <Zakim> +??P1
21:16:10 <jcraig> Todo: explain these can cover focus changes when the element to focus is not yet loaded in the DOM or yet focusable (for example, in list or table views where the entire dataset is not displayed), or non-linear focus shortcuts or overrides when linear focus is not possible (for example, jumping directly from a contenteditable region to the editing toolbar, when Tab and Shift+Tab mean other things).
21:16:10 <Ryladog> JC: I have notes in the link for how this i smeant to be used
21:16:33 <jcraig> Todo: explain these can cover focus changes when the element to focus is not yet loaded in the DOM or yet focusable (for example, in list or table views where the entire dataset is not displayed), or non-linear focus shortcuts or overrides when linear focus is not possible (for example, jumping directly from a contenteditable region to the editing toolbar, when Tab and Shift+Tab mean other things).
21:17:46 <Ryladog> JW: Waht would the AT ir UA need to know in order to get to DOM 3 events?
21:18:17 <Ryladog> JC: All of these would be trigger if the event handler was registered and the actions attribute on the element node
21:18:28 <Ryladog> JC: Like action equals....
21:18:29 <jcraig> action="linearfocusrequest"
21:18:36 <Ryladog> JW: I think I understand it
21:19:07 <Ryladog> JC: I will request the web application what is the next - in the list or table view
21:19:10 <janina> q?
21:19:33 <Ryladog> JC: This goes back to eventlsiter, vs, event receiver, etc
21:19:53 <Ryladog> JC: The attribute does not need to be on every list item
21:20:05 <Ryladog> JW: stanadrd bubbling up
21:20:23 <Ryladog> JC: One thing is to avoid a performance bottleneck
21:20:59 <Ryladog> RS: Makes sens e to me
21:21:05 <jcraig> s/One thing is to avoid/One reason for the event receiver (@uiactions) is to avoid/
21:21:11 <Ryladog> JS: anything else James?
21:21:23 <jcraig> s/action=/uiactions=/
21:21:27 <Ryladog> JC: fixing typos
21:21:46 <jcraig> s/event receiver, etc/event receiver, event target, etc/
21:22:06 <Ryladog> JC: that is all of the mrmative edits
21:22:08 <Ryladog> zakim, take up next item
21:22:08 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Key Values/Properties Proposal and need for an external model view http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Proposals/KeyValueProperties" taken up [from janina]
21:22:35 <Ryladog> AH: ActuallyI would like to mix up the items a bit
21:23:16 <Ryladog> AH: I got the task of reviewing MC prorposal which was reviewing the value. I like the shape of this.What we lost is the abolity to have this easoily understood in realtion to other models
21:23:31 <jcraig> Agenda+ Pending Review items https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/pendingreview
21:23:46 <Ryladog> AH: That was overtaken by events - thois scema.org thimg has been posted now.
21:24:16 <jcraig> s/thois scema.org thimg/this schema.org thing/
21:24:24 <Ryladog> AH: Others in the W3C understand this better. This proposal is supposed to be a vocabularry which will be associated with Content with metadata
21:24:29 <MichaelC> q+ to say nothing stops us from providing informative mappings to other efforts, in appendix, wiki, or other resources - just that shouldn´t drive the lexography of IndieUI
21:24:51 <Ryladog> AH: And , my feeling we eed to think about how well how much this requirment matches what we need
21:25:28 <Ryladog> AH: This metadata is one half of ahwt we had - but since we started and took this in on driection and another grouop has taken this is a different dirrection
21:25:28 <MichaelC> q+ to say matching other efforts can be one of the filters by which we review our requirements - an effort largely still to be begun, for User Context
21:25:37 <Ryladog> AH: Do we want to have a closer match?
21:25:45 <MichaelC> ack me
21:25:45 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say nothing stops us from providing informative mappings to other efforts, in appendix, wiki, or other resources - just that shouldn´t drive the lexography
21:25:48 <Zakim> ... of IndieUI and to say matching other efforts can be one of the filters by which we review our requirements - an effort largely still to be begun, for User Context
21:25:53 <janina> ack m
21:26:30 <Ryladog> MC: Nothing stops us for refering to external sources
21:26:47 <jcraig> HTML-ISSUE-76?
21:27:05 <Ryladog> MC: We haven tdone much reqqs for user contexts - mwe thought we had. Chossing properties that map to other requirements.
21:27:07 <jcraig> q+ to mention HTML-ISSUE-76 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/76
21:27:26 <Ryladog> MC: I think we move this to the reqs discussion
21:27:37 <Ryladog> AH: I do not knpw what external means
21:28:07 <Ryladog> AH: Judy posted a link
21:28:12 <jcraig> q+ to ask what it means to have a "Controversial Working Draft" status? http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/microdata.html
21:28:20 <andy> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility
21:28:31 <jcraig> ack me
21:28:31 <Zakim> jcraig, you wanted to mention HTML-ISSUE-76 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/76 and to ask what it means to have a "Controversial Working Draft" status?
21:28:34 <Zakim> ... http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/microdata.html
21:28:38 <Ryladog> JS: your question is: will the W3C be doing something formally to adopt this eterenal soucre\
21:28:55 <Ryladog> JC: I do not know about this much
21:29:21 <Ryladog> JC: HTML MIgtrated can be used for as a formla W3C Working Draft
21:29:39 <Ryladog> RS: Theere is not really that much stuff in there
21:29:58 <Ryladog> JS: the reason for moving microdata forward  the RDF sort of went forward
21:30:14 <Ryladog> AH: I am not talking about the microdatat I am talking about
21:30:51 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility
21:31:17 <Ryladog> JC: Schema.org and this is different - this is - had mat=rkup that is using marked up thsat shows microdata
21:31:37 <Zakim> -??P1
21:31:40 <Ryladog> RS: This is almost matchingthe preference resource metadat that we started with
21:32:05 <Ryladog> RS: It looks like they have done aa dirvititvie of the Access for All 3
21:32:31 <Ryladog> RS: whatever app is pulling solution inf ront of the user - we should asosociate whith
21:32:44 <Ryladog> RS: Andy, does that make sense
21:32:54 <andy> trying to get back
21:33:03 <Ryladog> MC: Andy was dropped by zakim
21:33:09 <Ryladog> JS: lets wait for him
21:33:23 <Ryladog> RS: Michea; I do not know how this is going to work
21:33:35 <Ryladog> RS: We would want some sort of mapping
21:34:12 <janina> q?
21:34:14 <Ryladog> JC: Thi s looks like meatdata for external resources - not necessarily what is on the web page
21:34:32 <Zakim> +??P1
21:34:41 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P1 is Andy_Heath
21:34:41 <Zakim> +Andy_Heath; got it
21:34:45 <Ryladog> JC: the reason I corught up issue 76 or 26
21:35:11 <Ryladog> JS: I think we should dis-assocaite from any of ther data for now
21:35:16 <Ryladog> AH; I agree
21:35:41 <Ryladog> JS: It is not a good idea b/c of what is hapening with HTML
21:35:57 <Ryladog> RS: I cannot put anything more in my ear
21:36:10 <MichaelC> q+ to repeat / resummarize that we should definitely reference related resources; we might want features that parallel them in which case we provide a mapping, and we should try not to conflict with them; none of that affects proximate decisions
21:36:17 <MichaelC> ack ja
21:36:27 <Ryladog> JS; I think I recll someone mentioning Dublim Core
21:37:01 <jcraig> q+ to mention that I think this is complementary, not exclusionary to IndieUI User Context
21:37:23 <Ryladog> JW: maybe OBE but if we are looking to provide a way of searching for resources the vocab used nay be different than how to make something accessible to a user. I do not see a one to on mapping
21:38:01 <Ryladog> JW: It is not clear to me what the ststus is of the document and what working group and the levels of adoption
21:38:21 <Ryladog> JC: I think the binding layer is in the w#c space
21:38:52 <Ryladog> AH: I do not really know - I haave just heard this and then suddenly it show sup in the W#C space
21:39:12 <Ryladog> AH: I agree with you Jason - there should not be a a one to one relationship ere
21:39:52 <jcraig> s/binding layer is in the w#c space/binding layer (HTML Microdata) is in the W3C space, but not the taxonomy (schema.org)/
21:39:59 <MichaelC> q-
21:40:03 <Ryladog> AH: Once upon a time there was a mapping between these two - but they have diverged.The question is do we need to change a name but not match wehere it is useful to match
21:40:04 <jcraig> s/W#C/W3C/
21:40:14 <Ryladog> JS: is this the meatdata vocab to adopt?
21:40:22 <Ryladog> AH: taht is a good question
21:40:30 <janina> q?
21:40:42 <MichaelC> q+ to say as we tackle requirements we should review existing vocabularies; Andy seems like a good stuckee with that action :)
21:40:42 <Ryladog> AH: this was designed along with the same AMOUNT OF DESIGN GOALS
21:41:06 <jcraig>  ack me
21:41:06 <Zakim> jcraig, you wanted to mention that I think this is complementary, not exclusionary to IndieUI User Context
21:41:09 <janina> ack jc
21:41:24 <Ryladog> JS: Michael - pleas etake over
21:41:53 <Ryladog> JC: I echoed what Jasomn mentioned it looks like this is mostly for indexing of media conttmet
21:42:38 <Ryladog> JC: maybe I am simplifying it - like what kind of adaptations are avaliable - but nit necessarrity item sthat would be need for a user context
21:43:51 <MichaelC> ack me
21:43:51 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say as we tackle requirements we should review existing vocabularies; Andy seems like a good stuckee with that action :)
21:43:55 <Ryladog> AH: I dont think there is a one to one mapping - but soem of the feilds are useful. The alt and auditory for text, etc - which means if you have that available and you do not have that ability on that devices it could go out and fetch that transfromation'
21:44:46 <Ryladog> MC: I thin kit is a good idea as we tackle a reqiuirement we look at external resources - ewht we want to map to and not map to withou breaking anything
21:45:08 <Ryladog> MC: Andy want to do a more formal review of what is out there for our requirements -
21:45:54 <Ryladog> AH: I would like to take your proppoal binary value pairs and look ka t what would happen to that
21:46:09 <Ryladog> AH: I might take a go at that ifit were mapped
21:46:38 <Ryladog> MC: and the reason is that it would map but I do not propose that we use that mapping -
21:46:51 <Ryladog> AH: I would like to see what of the items are useful
21:47:38 <jcraig> ACTION-32?
21:47:38 <trackbot> ACTION-32 -- Andy Heath to send suggested text about implict vs explict user settings and sending preferences even if device does not support the feature, the web app might (see minutes discussion) -- due 2012-12-05 -- OPEN
21:47:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/32
21:47:57 <MichaelC> action: Andy to review key/value pair proposal in relation to http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility
21:47:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-52 - Review key/value pair proposal in relation to http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility [on Andy Heath - due 2013-05-08].
21:48:06 <jcraig> Trackbot, close ACTION-32
21:48:06 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-32 Send suggested text about implict vs explict user settings and sending preferences even if device does not support the feature, the web app might (see minutes discussion).
21:48:15 <MichaelC> ack next
21:48:19 <Ryladog> AH: It is also Called the LRMI - but I cant find that anywhwrer
21:48:28 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
21:49:17 <Ryladog> JW: I thin kthis is what Jason was saying. The key value should be - it is important to seperate our sytax from the propertoes or mapping to expernal vocabs
21:49:25 <Ryladog> AH: I think that is true
21:50:02 <Zakim> -Andy_Heath
21:50:02 <Ryladog> AH: Rich and I agrued - we were modeling some ontological relationship - we have no way of knowing
21:50:27 <MichaelC> action-42?
21:50:27 <trackbot> ACTION-42 -- Michael Cooper to consolidate use cases -- due 2013-03-13 -- OPEN
21:50:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/42
21:51:05 <Ryladog> MC: Andy we are swiching item until you return
21:51:16 <Ryladog> zakim, take up next item
21:51:22 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Relation of User Context to WebSchemas/Accessibility http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility" taken up [from janina]
21:51:27 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 11
21:51:27 <Zakim> agendum 11. "Pending Review items https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/pendingreview" taken up [from jcraig]
21:51:27 <andy> trying to get back
21:51:50 <Zakim> +??P0
21:51:53 <MichaelC> action-13?
21:51:53 <trackbot> ACTION-13 -- James Craig to add event for moving focus to app toolbar(s), palettes, etc. -- due 2012-10-31 -- PENDINGREVIEW
21:51:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/13
21:51:55 <MichaelC> action-14?
21:51:55 <trackbot> ACTION-14 -- James Craig to add directional navigations event with 8-way directional order property (e.g. n, ne, e, se, …) -- due 2012-11-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW
21:51:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/14
21:52:00 <MichaelC> action-15?
21:52:00 <trackbot> ACTION-15 -- James Craig to add logical previous/next event (not tied to directional focus event) (maybe focusNextRequest and focusPreviousRequest?) -- due 2012-11-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW
21:52:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/15
21:52:04 <Ryladog> JC: action 13, 14van 15 I think we can close based on what isaid at the beginning of hecall
21:52:32 <jcraig> Trackbot, close ACTION-13
21:52:32 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-13 Add event for moving focus to app toolbar(s), palettes, etc..
21:52:33 <Ryladog> MC: Does anyone object to closing those three
21:52:34 <jcraig> Trackbot, close ACTION-14
21:52:34 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-14 Add directional navigations event with 8-way directional order property (e.g. n, ne, e, se, …).
21:52:35 <Ryladog> ?
21:52:35 <jcraig> Trackbot, close ACTION-15
21:52:35 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-15 Add logical previous/next event (not tied to directional focus event) (maybe focusNextRequest and focusPreviousRequest?).
21:53:35 <Ryladog> JC: Action 29 can be closed he sent to the lsit and I responded to - some were out of scope for 1.0 and it has been a coupke of months - the last discussion was in Jan - I think it is closable
21:54:02 <Ryladog> JC: There were out of scope things such as...
21:54:24 <Ryladog> MC: The action is closed and he can persoanlly pushit
21:54:49 <Ryladog> JS: MOre about database functionality which is out of scope
21:54:51 <jcraig> Trackbot, close ACTION-29
21:54:51 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-29 Send list of Opera use cases and suggest requirements for mainstream events.
21:55:00 <Ryladog> MC: any objections ?
21:55:09 <Ryladog> NONE
21:55:34 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
21:55:34 <Zakim> agendum 11 closed
21:55:35 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
21:55:35 <Zakim> 4. Relation of User Context to WebSchemas/Accessibility http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility [from janina]
21:55:45 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 3
21:55:45 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Key Values/Properties Proposal and need for an external model view http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/wiki/Proposals/KeyValueProperties" taken up [from janina]
21:56:34 <Ryladog> Scribe: I cannot hear
21:57:41 <Ryladog> AH: (Scribe cannot hear)
21:58:03 <andy> its because I'm away in a hote;
21:58:06 <Ryladog> JC: Andyuse other VIOP provider
21:58:19 <andy> I don't have the issue at home
21:58:34 <Ryladog> MC: Sorry Andy can you please type your comments into iRC?
21:58:41 <jcraig> s/Andyuse other VIOP provider/Andy consider using another VOIP provider?/
21:58:41 <andy> i am typing them
21:58:51 <Ryladog> Sorry, Andy we cannot hear you
21:59:05 <Zakim> -??P0
21:59:18 <Ryladog> MC: OK whike Andy is typing andy other comments?
21:59:58 <Ryladog> JC: I think Janina watedus to get an action out of this - we could have Andy conyinue to looook at this which might be OK since it is almost time tto close the call
22:00:00 <jcraig> ack j
22:00:02 <andy> it won't let me kn now
22:00:11 <andy> the conferene is restricted at this time
22:00:15 <andy> however
22:00:25 <andy> its because I;m away
22:00:35 <Ryladog> JW: Let us pereate the syntax and preoperties question and that we make a decision seperately - can we get a survey?
22:00:41 <andy> i only get this problem in notes;
22:01:05 <andy> can u guys see this ?
22:01:26 <Ryladog> JC: the last call the consensus seemed to be that several of us were pushing this key value pairs - there are features in these external taxonomies
22:01:44 <andy> i'm home for the best call
22:01:47 <andy> next
22:01:53 <andy> sorry
22:02:15 <andy> 17 euros the connection cost me too :-)
22:02:18 <Ryladog> JC: The isseu that Andy hass brought has not been about the synrtax but rather the features
22:02:34 <andy> fine
22:02:37 <Ryladog> RSL I like the key value piars because it simplifies everything'
22:02:59 <andy> Katie I agree
22:03:02 <jcraig> s/there are features in these external taxonomies/there are additional features in these external taxonomies that we should continue to consider, but there is nothing that prevents us from adopting them via a key/value pair syntax/
22:03:04 <andy> that was the point I was making
22:03:05 <Ryladog> MC: Andy does have an Actio nItem from this - we have come to an end of e=what we can tak aboy
22:03:26 <Ryladog> MC: Next meeting willmbe May 15th at theis time or and hour before now
22:03:33 <andy> I'll continue it next time
22:03:42 <Ryladog> MC: Please send anyquestions to the list
22:03:59 <Ryladog> MC; Itis the same time two weeks from today
22:04:00 <Zakim> -Jason_White
22:04:03 <Zakim> -Cooper
22:04:04 <jcraig> MC: I think we have "soft consensus" on the syntax, if not "formal consensus" for the syntax. Will take the taxonomy features on case-by-case- basis.
22:04:08 <Zakim> -Rich
22:04:08 <andy> sorry = can't do anything about cr.p internet in hotels =-thatsk all
22:04:09 <andy> ]
22:04:14 <andy> bye
22:04:25 <jcraig> rrsagent, make minutes
22:04:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/01-indie-ui-minutes.html jcraig
22:05:01 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
22:05:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/01-indie-ui-minutes.html MichaelC
22:05:42 <jcraig> Zakim, please part
22:05:42 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Janina_Sajka, Cooper, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Jason_White, Rich, Andy_Heath, jcraig
22:05:42 <Zakim> Zakim has left #indie-ui
22:06:00 <jcraig> rrsagent, make minutes
22:06:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/01-indie-ui-minutes.html jcraig
22:10:05 <jcraig> rrsagent, please part
22:10:05 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/01-indie-ui-actions.rdf :
22:10:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Andy to review key/value pair proposal in relation to http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility [1]
22:10:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/01-indie-ui-irc#T21-47-57