IRC log of html-media on 2013-04-30

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15:01:08 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be 63342
15:01:08 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:01:09 [trackbot]: Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:01:09 [trackbot]: Date: 30 April 2013
15:01:35 [paulc]: zakim, who is on the phone?
15:01:35 [Zakim]: HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
15:01:37 [Zakim]: On IRC I see RRSAgent, paulc, Michael_Thornburgh, pal, MartinSoukup, Bin_Hu, shepazu, adrianba, wseltzer, trackbot
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15:02:27 [paulc]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Apr/0099.html
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15:02:38 [paulc]: zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:38 [Zakim]: HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
15:02:39 [Zakim]: On IRC I see acolwell, ddorwin, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, Michael_Thornburgh, pal, MartinSoukup, Bin_Hu, shepazu, adrianba, wseltzer, trackbot
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15:03:00 [adrianba]: zakim, this is 63342
15:03:00 [Zakim]: ok, adrianba; that matches HTML_WG()11:00AM
15:03:05 [paulc]: trackbot, start telcon
15:03:07 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, make logs public
15:03:09 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be 63342
15:03:09 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
15:03:10 [trackbot]: Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:03:10 [trackbot]: Date: 30 April 2013
15:03:12 [adrianba]: zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:12 [Zakim]: I notice HTML_WG()11:00AM has restarted
15:03:14 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Bin_Hu (muted), pal, +1.425.269.aaaa, +1.831.457.aabb, +1.613.287.aacc, [Microsoft], +1.425.202.aaee, CyrilRa, +1.720.279.aaff, Aaron_Colwell, Doug_Schepers
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15:03:27 [Michael_Thornburgh]: zakim, i am aabb
15:03:27 [Zakim]: +Michael_Thornburgh; got it
15:03:41 [ddorwin]: zakim, aaee is me
15:03:42 [Zakim]: +ddorwin; got it
15:03:43 [paulc]: zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
15:03:43 [Zakim]: +paulc; got it
15:03:44 [MartinSoukup]: zakim, aacc is me
15:03:44 [Zakim]: +MartinSoukup; got it
15:03:56 [Zakim]: +[Microsoft.a]
15:03:59 [Bin_Hu]: present+ Bin_Hu
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15:04:05 [adrianba]: zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
15:04:05 [Zakim]: +adrianba; got it
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15:04:29 [paulc]: zakim, aaaa is johnsim
15:04:29 [Zakim]: +johnsim; got it
15:04:38 [Zakim]: +BobLund
15:04:50 [paulc]: zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:50 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Bin_Hu (muted), pal, johnsim, Michael_Thornburgh, MartinSoukup, [Microsoft], ddorwin, CyrilRa, +1.720.279.aaff, Aaron_Colwell, Doug_Schepers, adrianba, BobLund
15:04:53 [Zakim]: [Microsoft] has paulc
15:05:12 [Zakim]: + +1.925.984.aagg
15:05:16 [paulc]: zakim, aaff is JasonForbes
15:05:16 [Zakim]: +JasonForbes; got it
15:05:27 [joesteele]: zakim, aagg is me
15:05:27 [Zakim]: +joesteele; got it
15:05:33 [paulc]: zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:33 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Bin_Hu (muted), pal, johnsim, Michael_Thornburgh, MartinSoukup, [Microsoft], ddorwin, CyrilRa, JasonForbes, Aaron_Colwell, Doug_Schepers, adrianba, BobLund,
15:05:37 [Zakim]: ... joesteele
15:05:37 [Zakim]: [Microsoft] has paulc
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15:06:28 [adrianba]: ScribeNick: acolwell
15:06:33 [Zakim]: + +1.760.591.aahh
15:06:36 [paulc]: topic: roll call, introductions and scribe
15:06:48 [acolwell]: done
15:06:56 [acolwell]: topic: previous meeting minutes
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15:07:26 [paulc]: Tue F2F minutes (raw); http://www.w3.org/2013/04/23-html-wg-minutes.html
15:07:44 [acolwell]: topic: Review action items
15:07:45 [acolwell]: none
15:07:46 [Zakim]: +[Microsoft.a]
15:08:05 [Zakim]: +glenn
15:08:18 [acolwell]: topic: Discussion of status of current documents
15:09:04 [paulc]: EME Editor's Draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html
15:09:13 [acolwell]: ddorwin: EME editors draft updated yesterday and last week
15:09:47 [acolwell]: topic: Candidate FPWD
15:09:51 [adrianba]: q+
15:10:01 [acolwell]: paulc: Discussed at the f2f meeting.
15:10:12 [paulc]: EME candidate FPWD: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media-fpwd.html
15:10:15 [acolwell]: co-chairs are currently discussing over email
15:10:51 [acolwell]: adrianba: Haven't updated the FPWD document yet. Will updated from the editors draft once we are ready to move forward
15:11:17 [ddorwin]: q+
15:11:25 [adrianba]: ack me
15:11:30 [acolwell]: paulc: If we were to use the Editor's Draft would it also have the current issues outline in it.
15:11:36 [acolwell]: adrianba: yes
15:11:51 [paulc]: ack dd
15:12:12 [acolwell]: ddorwin: Current fpwd only has one issue in it. The Editor's draft has 3 now.
15:13:12 [paulc]: paulc: When the Chairs decide the next steps we may ask for an update candidate FPWD
15:13:13 [Zakim]: +[Microsoft.aa]
15:13:19 [Zakim]: -johnsim
15:13:37 [acolwell]: topic: EME Bugs
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15:14:10 [acolwell]: paulc: I enumerated all bugs that were received after the EME CFC.
15:14:26 [paulc]: Maciej's response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Apr/0093.html
15:14:36 [acolwell]: Want to discuss Maciej's response
15:15:40 [adrianba]: q+
15:15:42 [adrianba]: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20960
15:15:45 [johnsim]: zakim, who is on the phone?
15:15:45 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Bin_Hu (muted), pal, Michael_Thornburgh, MartinSoukup, [Microsoft], ddorwin, CyrilRa, JasonForbes, Aaron_Colwell, Doug_Schepers, adrianba, BobLund, joesteele,
15:15:48 [Zakim]: ... +1.760.591.aahh, [Microsoft.a], glenn, [Microsoft.aa]
15:15:48 [Zakim]: [Microsoft] has paulc
15:15:53 [acolwell]: paulc: I want to know how people want to deal with each of these items'
15:15:55 [johnsim]: zakim, [microsoft] is me
15:15:55 [Zakim]: +johnsim; got it
15:16:41 [acolwell]: adrianba: Already was resolved as WORKSFORME, but it got reopened. Concerned about worrying about how the bug was specifically resolved.
15:16:48 [joesteele]: +1
15:17:10 [adrianba]: ack me
15:17:42 [adrianba]: q+
15:17:45 [paulc]: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20963
15:17:49 [paulc]: ack ad
15:17:51 [acolwell]: paulc: Bug 20963 was resolved and then reopened without new information.
15:18:20 [joesteele]: q+
15:18:30 [acolwell]: adrianba: The bug was resolved and reopened several times. Gave up on closing it. Would like the chair's help here
15:18:49 [acolwell]: paulc: Taking an action to resolve the bug as NEEDSINFO
15:19:03 [joesteele]: ack me
15:19:07 [acolwell]: paulc: Will point out that the bug should not be reopened without new information
15:20:06 [ddorwin]: q+
15:20:07 [adrianba]: q+
15:20:39 [paulc]: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21016
15:20:49 [paulc]: ack dd
15:21:01 [paulc]: ack ad
15:21:21 [acolwell]: ddorwin: I reopened this
15:21:40 [acolwell]: adrianba: Objects to reopening the bug since they are not actionable.
15:22:32 [acolwell]: adrianba: I don't want to have to worry about which ones we need to keep open just because we are going to address it later.
15:23:03 [acolwell]: glenn: Agrees with adrianba
15:23:27 [acolwell]: paulc: Do you have a concrete proposal for how to move forward.
15:23:56 [paulc]: rrsagent, generate minutes
15:23:56 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/30-html-media-minutes.html paulc
15:24:31 [pladd]: Zakim, aahh is me
15:24:31 [Zakim]: +pladd; got it
15:24:40 [paulc]: Proposal: File issue related bug Bug 21016 and mark 21016 as RESOLVED
15:24:42 [acolwell]: adrianba: File an issue in the tracker that defers considering removing the clearkey section until later when we have implementation experience
15:25:50 [acolwell]: topic: EME bugs
15:25:52 [adrianba]: rrsagent, make minutes
15:25:52 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/30-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
15:25:56 [adrianba]: rrsagent, make logs public
15:26:07 [paulc]: EME bugs: http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo
15:26:07 [ddorwin]: q+
15:26:17 [acolwell]: paulc: Wasn't planning on going into detail on there today. Just want to get a sense of where we are.
15:26:22 [acolwell]: paulc: Currently 34
15:26:50 [acolwell]: paulc: Assuming editors are continuing to working on these based on the f2f discussion.
15:27:12 [acolwell]: ddorwin: Yes. adrian and I closed 10 or so since the f2f.
15:28:04 [ddorwin]: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21854
15:28:10 [ddorwin]: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21855
15:28:33 [acolwell]: ddorwin: Later is related to not firing needkey if you already have the keys
15:28:37 [joesteele]: q+
15:28:43 [paulc]: ack dd
15:28:51 [paulc]: ack joe
15:28:58 [joesteele]: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19788
15:29:18 [acolwell]: joesteele: Is Bug 19788 resolved now?
15:29:46 [paulc]: See https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19788#c13
15:29:55 [acolwell]: ddorwin: Was resolved yesterday. TODO was moved to ISOBMFF bug
15:30:23 [acolwell]: paulc: Editors w/ keep processing bugs.
15:30:47 [acolwell]: ddorwin: Event and state transitions bugs need to be addressed first. Many other bugs depend on them
15:30:52 [acolwell]: topic: MSE status and bugs
15:31:22 [Zakim]: -ddorwin
15:31:26 [paulc]: Editor's draft (Apr 30): https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/media-source/media-source.html
15:31:48 [acolwell]: paulc: Only 4 bugs outstanding
15:31:59 [Zakim]: +ddorwin
15:32:09 [paulc]: MSE bugs: http://tinyurl.com/6pdnzej
15:32:22 [adrianba]: q+
15:32:41 [paulc]: Ack ad
15:33:10 [acolwell]: adrianba: Bug 21819 & Bug 21328 are just some terminology discussion.
15:33:47 [paulc]: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21819
15:34:05 [adrianba]: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21328
15:35:02 [acolwell]: acolwell: Thought dropping compressed was sufficient.
15:35:12 [acolwell]: adrianba: It was clear that Pierre agreed.
15:35:24 [acolwell]: paulc: Pierre do you with to comment.
15:35:43 [acolwell]: pal: Concerned that MSE can applied to baseband signals so the use of coded is misleading.
15:36:42 [paulc]: Glen proposed: ""A unit of encoded media data that has a presentation timestamp and decode timestamp."
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15:37:39 [pal]: q+
15:37:54 [paulc]: ack pal
15:38:13 [paulc]: code frame -> essense frame is used in some places
15:39:01 [adrianba]: q+ to comment on the other 2 bugs
15:39:05 [paulc]: Pierre can live with just getting rid of "compressed". Editors will now deal with 21819 and 21328
15:39:30 [adrianba]: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21431
15:39:46 [acolwell]: adrianba: Just waiting on text from Glenn
15:40:02 [adrianba]: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20901
15:40:05 [acolwell]: glenn: Hope to get it posted today or tomorrow. Will definitely have it before next meetin
15:40:38 [acolwell]: adrianba: Last one is how we deal with out of order appends. Discussed at f2f.
15:40:49 [paulc]: F2F progress noted in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20901#c4
15:40:55 [paulc]: Editors to propose new solution
15:41:07 [adrianba]: ack me
15:41:07 [Zakim]: adrianba, you wanted to comment on the other 2 bugs
15:41:21 [adrianba]: q+
15:41:34 [paulc]: ack adrianba
15:41:59 [acolwell]: paulc: There was discussion at the f2f about creating the primer. Chairs will send out an announcement sometime this week.
15:42:40 [acolwell]: paulc: Which spec do we want to discuss next week. Bug count implies EME
15:42:52 [adrianba]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Apr/0101.html
15:42:56 [acolwell]: ddorwin: Yes lets discuss EME next week.
15:43:55 [paulc]: Doug's request: "I'm looking for people who can help create a reference article and tutorial, so that it is factual and informative, and adds to the discussion."
15:45:41 [adrianba]: q+
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15:46:17 [acolwell]: q+
15:47:09 [paulc]: ack ad
15:50:04 [paulc]: Doug: Is there someone in one of the member companies represented here that could help produce such "reference article or tutorial"?
15:50:09 [paulc]: ack ac
15:50:48 [ddorwin]: q+
15:51:00 [paulc]: ack dd
15:51:27 [acolwell]: q+
15:51:34 [paulc]: Adrian: Maybe since MSE is more mature we could consider getting documentation on MSE on webplatform.org?
15:51:58 [johnsim]: q+
15:52:09 [paulc]: Doug: I am looking for material to help people understand 'content prorection".
15:52:21 [paulc]: s/prorection/protection/
15:52:24 [paulc]: ack ac
15:52:26 [adrianba]: who is the "we" in "what we're looking for"?
15:52:40 [joesteele]: q+
15:54:15 [joesteele]: q-
15:54:21 [pal]: q+
15:54:23 [adrianba]: q+ to discuss another topic before we run out of time
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15:55:37 [paulc_]: q?
15:56:58 [paulc_]: ack john
15:57:00 [paulc_]: ack pal
15:57:36 [paulc_]: ack ad
15:57:36 [Zakim]: adrianba, you wanted to discuss another topic before we run out of time
15:57:37 [adrianba]: ack me
15:57:55 [pal]: pal: MSE is a complex specification. Testing will be beneficial
15:58:04 [acolwell]: topic: pre-last call
15:58:34 [pal]: q+
15:58:38 [acolwell]: adrianba: Discussed at F2F.
15:59:01 [paulc_]: Paul to send out pre-LC notice with date out 3 weeks
15:59:01 [acolwell]: adrianba: I want to get that process started.
15:59:19 [paulc_]: The pre-lc notice is for MSE
16:00:14 [Zakim]: -pladd
16:00:25 [Zakim]: -BobLund
16:01:06 [paulc_]: Paul will announce a pre-Last Call with a deadline date out 3 weeks.
16:01:22 [paulc_]: All bugs filed before the deadline will be processed BEFORE we enter LC.
16:01:23 [Zakim]: -CyrilRa
16:01:45 [paulc_]: All bugs bugs filed after the deadline will be process as part of the LC ie they become LC bugs
16:01:50 [adrianba]: During the pre-LC period, bugs filed before the deadline will be processed before LC - there maybe a gap between the pre-LC deadline and the LC announcement while we address those bugs
16:02:22 [adrianba]: At LC, the working group is supposed to declare that it is done, no new features should be added during LC
16:02:39 [adrianba]: The pre-LC is to make sure the WG believes the document is complete
16:02:53 [adrianba]: q+
16:03:03 [paulc_]: ack pal
16:03:27 [acolwell]: pal: Once last call happens. What is the next step?
16:03:34 [paulc_]: This kind of pre-LC helps make the entry into LC more deterministic.
16:03:56 [acolwell]: paulc_: When we go into LC we have to raise the bar for how we handle bugs
16:04:02 [Zakim]: -JasonForbes
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16:04:30 [acolwell]: paulc_: If we get minor changes then we proceed to call for implementations
16:04:49 [acolwell]: paulc: If we get major changes then we have to start another LC.
16:05:27 [glenn]: time?
16:06:11 [paulc_]: ack adrian
16:06:17 [acolwell]: adrianba: Requesting that we add an agenda item to the next call discussing the process. Since we are out of time
16:06:18 [adrianba]: ISSUE-1?
16:06:18 [trackbot]: ISSUE-1 -- Consider moving the Clear Key definition into a separate specification -- raised
16:06:18 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/issues/1
16:06:19 [paulc_]: rrsagent, generate minutes
16:06:19 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/30-html-media-minutes.html paulc_
16:06:44 [Zakim]: -MartinSoukup
16:06:46 [Zakim]: -[Microsoft.aa]
16:06:47 [Zakim]: -adrianba
16:06:47 [Zakim]: -ddorwin
16:06:49 [joesteele]: thanks Aaron
16:06:49 [Zakim]: -[Microsoft.a]
16:06:49 [Zakim]: -joesteele
16:06:49 [Zakim]: -pal
16:06:50 [Zakim]: -Bin_Hu
16:06:50 [Zakim]: -Michael_Thornburgh
16:06:52 [Zakim]: -Doug_Schepers
16:06:54 [Zakim]: -glenn
16:06:55 [Zakim]: -Aaron_Colwell
16:07:08 [shepazu]: johnsim, ping
16:11:54 [Zakim]: disconnecting the lone participant, johnsim, in HTML_WG()11:00AM
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16:11:56 [Zakim]: Attendees were Bin_Hu, pal, +1.425.269.aaaa, +1.831.457.aabb, +1.613.287.aacc, +1.720.279.aadd, +1.425.202.aaee, CyrilRa, +1.720.279.aaff, Aaron_Colwell, Doug_Schepers,
16:11:56 [Zakim]: ... Michael_Thornburgh, ddorwin, paulc, MartinSoukup, adrianba, johnsim, BobLund, +1.925.984.aagg, JasonForbes, joesteele, +1.760.591.aahh, glenn, pladd
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