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15:01:08 Zakim, this will be 63342
15:01:08 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:01:09 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:01:09 Date: 30 April 2013
15:01:35 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:01:35 HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
15:01:37 On IRC I see RRSAgent, paulc, Michael_Thornburgh, pal, MartinSoukup, Bin_Hu, shepazu, adrianba, wseltzer, trackbot
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15:02:27 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Apr/0099.html
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15:02:38 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:38 HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
15:02:39 On IRC I see acolwell, ddorwin, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, Michael_Thornburgh, pal, MartinSoukup, Bin_Hu, shepazu, adrianba, wseltzer, trackbot
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15:03:00 zakim, this is 63342
15:03:00 ok, adrianba; that matches HTML_WG()11:00AM
15:03:05 trackbot, start telcon
15:03:07 RRSAgent, make logs public
15:03:09 Zakim, this will be 63342
15:03:09 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
15:03:10 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:03:10 Date: 30 April 2013
15:03:12 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:12 I notice HTML_WG()11:00AM has restarted
15:03:14 On the phone I see Bin_Hu (muted), pal, +1.425.269.aaaa, +1.831.457.aabb, +1.613.287.aacc, [Microsoft], +1.425.202.aaee, CyrilRa, +1.720.279.aaff, Aaron_Colwell, Doug_Schepers
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15:03:27 zakim, i am aabb
15:03:27 +Michael_Thornburgh; got it
15:03:41 zakim, aaee is me
15:03:42 +ddorwin; got it
15:03:43 zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
15:03:43 +paulc; got it
15:03:44 zakim, aacc is me
15:03:44 +MartinSoukup; got it
15:03:56 +[Microsoft.a]
15:03:59 present+ Bin_Hu
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15:04:05 zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
15:04:05 +adrianba; got it
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15:04:29 zakim, aaaa is johnsim
15:04:29 +johnsim; got it
15:04:38 +BobLund
15:04:50 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:50 On the phone I see Bin_Hu (muted), pal, johnsim, Michael_Thornburgh, MartinSoukup, [Microsoft], ddorwin, CyrilRa, +1.720.279.aaff, Aaron_Colwell, Doug_Schepers, adrianba, BobLund
15:04:53 [Microsoft] has paulc
15:05:12 + +1.925.984.aagg
15:05:16 zakim, aaff is JasonForbes
15:05:16 +JasonForbes; got it
15:05:27 zakim, aagg is me
15:05:27 +joesteele; got it
15:05:33 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:33 On the phone I see Bin_Hu (muted), pal, johnsim, Michael_Thornburgh, MartinSoukup, [Microsoft], ddorwin, CyrilRa, JasonForbes, Aaron_Colwell, Doug_Schepers, adrianba, BobLund,
15:05:37 ... joesteele
15:05:37 [Microsoft] has paulc
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15:06:28 ScribeNick: acolwell
15:06:33 + +1.760.591.aahh
15:06:36 topic: roll call, introductions and scribe
15:06:48 done
15:06:56 topic: previous meeting minutes
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15:07:26 Tue F2F minutes (raw); http://www.w3.org/2013/04/23-html-wg-minutes.html
15:07:44 topic: Review action items
15:07:45 none
15:07:46 +[Microsoft.a]
15:08:05 +glenn
15:08:18 topic: Discussion of status of current documents
15:09:04 EME Editor's Draft: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html
15:09:13 ddorwin: EME editors draft updated yesterday and last week
15:09:47 topic: Candidate FPWD
15:09:51 q+
15:10:01 paulc: Discussed at the f2f meeting.
15:10:12 EME candidate FPWD: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media-fpwd.html
15:10:15 co-chairs are currently discussing over email
15:10:51 adrianba: Haven't updated the FPWD document yet. Will updated from the editors draft once we are ready to move forward
15:11:17 q+
15:11:25 ack me
15:11:30 paulc: If we were to use the Editor's Draft would it also have the current issues outline in it.
15:11:36 adrianba: yes
15:11:51 ack dd
15:12:12 ddorwin: Current fpwd only has one issue in it. The Editor's draft has 3 now.
15:13:12 paulc: When the Chairs decide the next steps we may ask for an update candidate FPWD
15:13:13 +[Microsoft.aa]
15:13:19 -johnsim
15:13:37 topic: EME Bugs
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15:14:10 paulc: I enumerated all bugs that were received after the EME CFC.
15:14:26 Maciej's response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Apr/0093.html
15:14:36 Want to discuss Maciej's response
15:15:40 q+
15:15:42 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20960
15:15:45 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:15:45 On the phone I see Bin_Hu (muted), pal, Michael_Thornburgh, MartinSoukup, [Microsoft], ddorwin, CyrilRa, JasonForbes, Aaron_Colwell, Doug_Schepers, adrianba, BobLund, joesteele,
15:15:48 ... +1.760.591.aahh, [Microsoft.a], glenn, [Microsoft.aa]
15:15:48 [Microsoft] has paulc
15:15:53 paulc: I want to know how people want to deal with each of these items'
15:15:55 zakim, [microsoft] is me
15:15:55 +johnsim; got it
15:16:41 adrianba: Already was resolved as WORKSFORME, but it got reopened. Concerned about worrying about how the bug was specifically resolved.
15:16:48 +1
15:17:10 ack me
15:17:42 q+
15:17:45 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20963
15:17:49 ack ad
15:17:51 paulc: Bug 20963 was resolved and then reopened without new information.
15:18:20 q+
15:18:30 adrianba: The bug was resolved and reopened several times. Gave up on closing it. Would like the chair's help here
15:18:49 paulc: Taking an action to resolve the bug as NEEDSINFO
15:19:03 ack me
15:19:07 paulc: Will point out that the bug should not be reopened without new information
15:20:06 q+
15:20:07 q+
15:20:39 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21016
15:20:49 ack dd
15:21:01 ack ad
15:21:21 ddorwin: I reopened this
15:21:40 adrianba: Objects to reopening the bug since they are not actionable.
15:22:32 adrianba: I don't want to have to worry about which ones we need to keep open just because we are going to address it later.
15:23:03 glenn: Agrees with adrianba
15:23:27 paulc: Do you have a concrete proposal for how to move forward.
15:23:56 rrsagent, generate minutes
15:23:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/30-html-media-minutes.html paulc
15:24:31 Zakim, aahh is me
15:24:31 +pladd; got it
15:24:40 Proposal: File issue related bug Bug 21016 and mark 21016 as RESOLVED
15:24:42 adrianba: File an issue in the tracker that defers considering removing the clearkey section until later when we have implementation experience
15:25:50 topic: EME bugs
15:25:52 rrsagent, make minutes
15:25:52 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/30-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
15:25:56 rrsagent, make logs public
15:26:07 EME bugs: http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo
15:26:07 q+
15:26:17 paulc: Wasn't planning on going into detail on there today. Just want to get a sense of where we are.
15:26:22 paulc: Currently 34
15:26:50 paulc: Assuming editors are continuing to working on these based on the f2f discussion.
15:27:12 ddorwin: Yes. adrian and I closed 10 or so since the f2f.
15:28:04 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21854
15:28:10 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21855
15:28:33 ddorwin: Later is related to not firing needkey if you already have the keys
15:28:37 q+
15:28:43 ack dd
15:28:51 ack joe
15:28:58 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19788
15:29:18 joesteele: Is Bug 19788 resolved now?
15:29:46 See https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19788#c13
15:29:55 ddorwin: Was resolved yesterday. TODO was moved to ISOBMFF bug
15:30:23 paulc: Editors w/ keep processing bugs.
15:30:47 ddorwin: Event and state transitions bugs need to be addressed first. Many other bugs depend on them
15:30:52 topic: MSE status and bugs
15:31:22 -ddorwin
15:31:26 Editor's draft (Apr 30): https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/media-source/media-source.html
15:31:48 paulc: Only 4 bugs outstanding
15:31:59 +ddorwin
15:32:09 MSE bugs: http://tinyurl.com/6pdnzej
15:32:22 q+
15:32:41 Ack ad
15:33:10 adrianba: Bug 21819 & Bug 21328 are just some terminology discussion.
15:33:47 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21819
15:34:05 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21328
15:35:02 acolwell: Thought dropping compressed was sufficient.
15:35:12 adrianba: It was clear that Pierre agreed.
15:35:24 paulc: Pierre do you with to comment.
15:35:43 pal: Concerned that MSE can applied to baseband signals so the use of coded is misleading.
15:36:42 Glen proposed: ""A unit of encoded media data that has a presentation timestamp and decode timestamp."
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15:37:39 q+
15:37:54 ack pal
15:38:13 code frame -> essense frame is used in some places
15:39:01 q+ to comment on the other 2 bugs
15:39:05 Pierre can live with just getting rid of "compressed". Editors will now deal with 21819 and 21328
15:39:30 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21431
15:39:46 adrianba: Just waiting on text from Glenn
15:40:02 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20901
15:40:05 glenn: Hope to get it posted today or tomorrow. Will definitely have it before next meetin
15:40:38 adrianba: Last one is how we deal with out of order appends. Discussed at f2f.
15:40:49 F2F progress noted in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20901#c4
15:40:55 Editors to propose new solution
15:41:07 ack me
15:41:07 adrianba, you wanted to comment on the other 2 bugs
15:41:21 q+
15:41:34 ack adrianba
15:41:59 paulc: There was discussion at the f2f about creating the primer. Chairs will send out an announcement sometime this week.
15:42:40 paulc: Which spec do we want to discuss next week. Bug count implies EME
15:42:52 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Apr/0101.html
15:42:56 ddorwin: Yes lets discuss EME next week.
15:43:55 Doug's request: "I'm looking for people who can help create a reference article and tutorial, so that it is factual and informative, and adds to the discussion."
15:45:41 q+
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15:47:09 ack ad
15:50:04 Doug: Is there someone in one of the member companies represented here that could help produce such "reference article or tutorial"?
15:50:09 ack ac
15:50:48 q+
15:51:00 ack dd
15:51:27 q+
15:51:34 Adrian: Maybe since MSE is more mature we could consider getting documentation on MSE on webplatform.org?
15:51:58 q+
15:52:09 Doug: I am looking for material to help people understand 'content prorection".
15:52:21 s/prorection/protection/
15:52:24 ack ac
15:52:26 who is the "we" in "what we're looking for"?
15:52:40 q+
15:54:15 q-
15:54:21 q+
15:54:23 q+ to discuss another topic before we run out of time
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15:55:37 q?
15:56:58 ack john
15:57:00 ack pal
15:57:36 ack ad
15:57:36 adrianba, you wanted to discuss another topic before we run out of time
15:57:37 ack me
15:57:55 pal: MSE is a complex specification. Testing will be beneficial
15:58:04 topic: pre-last call
15:58:34 q+
15:58:38 adrianba: Discussed at F2F.
15:59:01 Paul to send out pre-LC notice with date out 3 weeks
15:59:01 adrianba: I want to get that process started.
15:59:19 The pre-lc notice is for MSE
16:00:14 -pladd
16:00:25 -BobLund
16:01:06 Paul will announce a pre-Last Call with a deadline date out 3 weeks.
16:01:22 All bugs filed before the deadline will be processed BEFORE we enter LC.
16:01:23 -CyrilRa
16:01:45 All bugs bugs filed after the deadline will be process as part of the LC ie they become LC bugs
16:01:50 During the pre-LC period, bugs filed before the deadline will be processed before LC - there maybe a gap between the pre-LC deadline and the LC announcement while we address those bugs
16:02:22 At LC, the working group is supposed to declare that it is done, no new features should be added during LC
16:02:39 The pre-LC is to make sure the WG believes the document is complete
16:02:53 q+
16:03:03 ack pal
16:03:27 pal: Once last call happens. What is the next step?
16:03:34 This kind of pre-LC helps make the entry into LC more deterministic.
16:03:56 paulc_: When we go into LC we have to raise the bar for how we handle bugs
16:04:02 -JasonForbes
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16:04:30 paulc_: If we get minor changes then we proceed to call for implementations
16:04:49 paulc: If we get major changes then we have to start another LC.
16:05:27 time?
16:06:11 ack adrian
16:06:17 adrianba: Requesting that we add an agenda item to the next call discussing the process. Since we are out of time
16:06:18 ISSUE-1?
16:06:18 ISSUE-1 -- Consider moving the Clear Key definition into a separate specification -- raised
16:06:18 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/issues/1
16:06:19 rrsagent, generate minutes
16:06:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/30-html-media-minutes.html paulc_
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16:06:46 -[Microsoft.aa]
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