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07:59:20 <PhilA> meeting: ODW Day 2
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07:59:36 <PhilA> Has anyone seen hadley
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08:02:03 <BartvanLeeuwen_> Topic: Perspectives & Experience
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08:04:19 <BartvanLeeuwen> Topic: Perspectives & Experience
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08:05:02 <BartvanLeeuwen> DNA Digest by Fionna Nielsen
08:05:38 <StevenPemberton> s/Fionna/Fiona/
08:06:03 <BartvanLeeuwen> DNADigest non for profit org. with purpose of opening up genome sequences
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08:06:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> DNA Sequencing, purpose : cancer research/ heritable traits and illness and rare diseases
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08:08:41 <StevenPemberton> Agenda:  http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/agenda#day2
08:09:23 <StevenPemberton> Chair: Phil Archer
08:09:44 <PhilA> Apologies to Fiona who is saying seriously interesting stuff but fighting technology problems. Facilities are on the case but so far without success
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08:10:51 <StevenPemberton> Fiona: researcher needs databases of genomic variation
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08:11:06 <StevenPemberton> ... more data is needed to validate results
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08:11:24 <StevenPemberton> ... they want to learn from other data
08:11:29 <StevenPemberton> ... but are not sharing their own
08:11:40 <StevenPemberton> ... why not?
08:11:47 <StevenPemberton> ... - confidential data
08:12:07 <StevenPemberton> ... - easy to identify individuals from genome data
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08:12:17 <StevenPemberton> ... - BULKY
08:12:38 <StevenPemberton> ... so data has to be de-identified and aggregated
08:12:46 <StevenPemberton> scribenick: BartvanLeeuwen
08:12:50 <BartvanLeeuwen> no open sharing of raw data
08:13:22 <BartvanLeeuwen> only defects for described diseases is shared
08:13:45 <BartvanLeeuwen> Solution of DNA Digest, not all research needs access to full data
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08:14:28 <BartvanLeeuwen> e.g. Does this mutation occur at higher frequency
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08:15:01 <BartvanLeeuwen> this result is already de-identified
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08:16:18 <BartvanLeeuwen> challenges: connecting existing datasets, incentives for sharing and commercial model
08:16:34 <BartvanLeeuwen> http://dnadigest.org
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08:17:27 <BartvanLeeuwen> Next speaker: Florian Bauer http://www.reeep.org
08:17:58 <BartvanLeeuwen> reeep helps with renewable energy in developing countries
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08:18:57 <BartvanLeeuwen> website after website is launched, "portal proliferation syndrome", that needs to be fixed
08:19:31 <BartvanLeeuwen> in current projects, data silos are created
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08:22:36 <StevenPemberton> Florian: the ystem has to deal with disambiguation
08:22:41 <StevenPemberton> s/ystem/system/
08:22:45 <BartvanLeeuwen> its seems very hard to stop this
08:22:46 <BartvanLeeuwen> but its because project deliverables state information dissemination , not how
08:22:46 <BartvanLeeuwen> We need to break silos and link information to help them do it differently
08:22:47 <BartvanLeeuwen> Can we support the linking of information with and automated system
08:22:47 <BartvanLeeuwen> we have to !
08:22:52 <StevenPemberton> ... and use linked open data
08:23:16 <StevenPemberton> ... we supply thesauri
08:23:30 <StevenPemberton> ... our system helps tag unstructured documents
08:23:53 <StevenPemberton> ... a file is sent, in whatever format, we analyse it, extract common terms
08:24:05 <StevenPemberton> ... based on thesaurus and vocab
08:24:16 <StevenPemberton> ... and deliver lots of metadata
08:24:25 <StevenPemberton> ... with definitions etc.
08:24:44 <StevenPemberton> ... and we can store the location of the document with tags (if the user wants)
08:25:05 <StevenPemberton> ... [gives an example]
08:25:42 <StevenPemberton> ... please look at http://api.reegle.info
08:25:57 <StevenPemberton> ... we are a non-profit
08:26:02 <StevenPemberton> ... so no charge
08:26:24 <StevenPemberton> ... we consider this a first step
08:27:13 <StevenPemberton> Next speaker - schema.org, Dan Brickley
08:27:21 <BartvanLeeuwen> next speaker: Dan Brickely Schema.org
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08:28:13 <BartvanLeeuwen> introducing schema.org
08:28:38 <BartvanLeeuwen> search engines decided to collaborate, even though they are competitors
08:29:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> putting triples on the web was only done by a limited number of people
08:30:00 <BartvanLeeuwen> schema.org is not SEO, its semantic technology gone mainstream
08:30:44 <BartvanLeeuwen> schema.org is html with markup, to generate triples
08:31:12 <BartvanLeeuwen> creates rich snippets for enhanced search results
08:31:31 <BartvanLeeuwen> allows custom search engine
08:32:22 <BartvanLeeuwen> working on integration and discovery of datasets
08:32:45 <BartvanLeeuwen> we are driven by being able to answer questions, thats why datasets are interesting
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08:33:05 <BartvanLeeuwen> [ shows  examples ]
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08:34:39 <BartvanLeeuwen> vocabulary is not designed by the schema.org  people, its community driven
08:35:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> the team only integrates community efforts
08:35:40 <BartvanLeeuwen> this community is driven by w3c community group
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08:36:08 <BartvanLeeuwen> dataset are added based on work by a.o. W3C GLD
08:37:13 <BartvanLeeuwen> where do graphs stop and tables start ?
08:37:49 <BartvanLeeuwen> schema.org is about finding dataset not making all data rdf
08:38:19 <PhilA> If I get a chance I'll talk about what we're doing at W3C on vocabs - the schema.org management model is instructive
08:38:25 <BartvanLeeuwen> Next speaker: Licensing Library and Authority Data Under CC0: The DNB Experience, Lars Svensson
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08:40:09 <BartvanLeeuwen> today I talk about the change business model
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08:41:35 <BartvanLeeuwen> mixed business model right now: which dataset / which format / access type
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08:42:31 <BartvanLeeuwen> 3 methods  for harvesting meta data: SRU, OAI and HTTP
08:43:02 <BartvanLeeuwen> SRU and OAI are free services after registration to keep customers up to date
08:43:25 <BartvanLeeuwen> HTTP is free, no registration or tracking
08:43:42 <BartvanLeeuwen> formats, RDF, CSV and MARC
08:43:49 <BartvanLeeuwen> MARC is a custom library format
08:44:16 <StevenPemberton> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARC_standards
08:44:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> by end of this Quarter also as PDF ( nice PDF )
08:45:17 <BartvanLeeuwen> Authority data is available under CC0 and metadata as well
08:45:56 <BartvanLeeuwen> metadata about books is mostly CC0, RDF / CSV always CC0
08:46:32 <BartvanLeeuwen> MARC data of last  2 years is available under a fee older under CC0
08:46:48 <BartvanLeeuwen> process of transition
08:47:05 <BartvanLeeuwen> discussion about lost of revenue and spillover
08:47:50 <BartvanLeeuwen> scared of people running away with our data and earning lots of money with it.
08:48:04 <BartvanLeeuwen> no know examples of this actually happening
08:48:32 <BartvanLeeuwen> lessons learned: Finding right licenses can be tricky
08:48:49 <BartvanLeeuwen> CC-by license was to complicated
08:49:22 <BartvanLeeuwen> make it easy for people to use your data !
08:49:29 <BartvanLeeuwen> we ended up with CC0
08:49:58 <BartvanLeeuwen> Next speaker:  Open Government Data Projects in Japan, Shuichi Tashiro, IPA
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08:50:24 <PhilA> IPA is the government IT standards body.
08:51:23 <BartvanLeeuwen> brief intro of opendata in Japan
08:52:09 <BartvanLeeuwen> Oktober 2008 CIO Forum started discussion about opendata in japan
08:52:20 <StevenPemberton> s/Okt/Oct/
08:52:24 <BartvanLeeuwen> in 2001 there was already a e-gov portal site
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08:53:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> multiple administrative procedures available in one portal, but with non standard UI
08:53:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> public private collaboration with a realtime datalink
08:53:48 <BartvanLeeuwen> between train company and seismic center
08:54:07 <BartvanLeeuwen> in 2011 all trains stopped 10 seconds before earthquake wave reached main land
08:54:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> October 2010 a Open gov Lab was started with various items
08:55:07 <BartvanLeeuwen> before 2012 open gov strategy
08:55:28 <BartvanLeeuwen> lot of data put out had low quality
08:55:40 <BartvanLeeuwen> Earthquake of 2011 was a turning point
08:55:54 <BartvanLeeuwen> demand for data:
08:55:57 <BartvanLeeuwen> -- who is where
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08:56:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> -- who need what / who can provide what
08:56:20 <BartvanLeeuwen> -- availabily of general infrastructure
08:56:27 <BartvanLeeuwen> -- polution level
08:56:35 <BartvanLeeuwen> Multi tier collaboration is needed
08:56:49 <StevenPemberton> s/availabily/availability
08:57:07 <StevenPemberton> s/polution/pollution
08:57:17 <BartvanLeeuwen> [ shows examples ]
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08:58:29 <BartvanLeeuwen> Recovery and reconstruction support program database, one stop shop for support programs
08:59:11 <BartvanLeeuwen> this resulted in a vocabulary problem, all local govs used there own terminology
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09:00:53 <BartvanLeeuwen> Japan has problem with its character code
09:01:02 <BartvanLeeuwen> very local, and very specific to identity
09:02:25 <BartvanLeeuwen> [ shows architectural diagram ]
09:02:51 <BartvanLeeuwen> o.a. contains a vocabulary database to solve problems with local terminology
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09:04:02 <BartvanLeeuwen> also a open license character databases, with RDF support to find relationship between characters and legislation about character sets ?
09:04:33 <BartvanLeeuwen> Panel: Previous speakers
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09:06:48 <BartvanLeeuwen> hadley: calls out to panel: if you had 10billion budget where would you be in 10years
09:07:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> Danbri: we should finaly start integrating
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09:07:37 <BartvanLeeuwen> Lars: Digetizing
09:08:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> solve rights issues, who own rights on publications is somewhat hard
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09:09:01 <BartvanLeeuwen> Florian: governments need give us the data we need to answer the important questions. Smartgrids are important
09:09:05 <daveL> in relation to IPA presentation on linked data in Japan, there is a new W3C community that aims to develop best practice in multilingual linked open data: http://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/
09:09:47 <BartvanLeeuwen> Fiona: Money is not a issue, not technology , standardization is the current issue
09:10:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> Questions from room
09:10:33 <BartvanLeeuwen> ivan, remark: we should generalize a bit not just government but also science data
09:11:02 <BartvanLeeuwen> they produce data we should be able to access that as well.
09:12:09 <BartvanLeeuwen> Dave Lewis: remark, focus on LOD in countries where main language is english, there is multilingual Comm group [ please insert uri ]
09:13:03 <daveL> http://www.w3.org/community/bpmlod/
09:13:50 <BartvanLeeuwen> Hans Overbeek: questions about standards, what is the best advice? should we use schema.org or DCAT profile for integrating datasets
09:13:59 <PhilA> DCAT Application profile work through EC's ISA Programme. Details at http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/dcat_application_profile/description
09:14:27 <BartvanLeeuwen> danbri: Schema .org is a agile approach, which could spin of into a standardization body
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09:15:05 <ldodds> Topic: Product Data
09:15:28 <ldodds> Chair: PhilArcher
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09:17:12 <ldodds> PhilArcher: I think product data is going to be very important
09:17:32 <ldodds> first speaker is John Walker, paper: http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/odw13_submission_40.pdf
09:17:58 <ldodds> John is talking about Open Data in the electronics industry
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09:18:27 <ldodds> John: @NXPData is our twitter, please share what we're doing
09:18:57 <ldodds> ... NXP is semiconductor company in netherlands, lots of large customers and large portfolio of products
09:19:14 <ldodds> ... Content is the product, Product data is part of the content => data is the product
09:19:29 <ldodds> ... Why make data Open?
09:19:53 <ldodds> ... In bad old days, very doc centred information, lots of content silos, content reuse was copy and paste or (worse) re-keying
09:20:07 <ldodds> ... Consequences: inconsistency, cost, errors, complex to manage
09:20:35 <ldodds> ... Consequences (for customers): confusing, inconsistent, manual effort to gather/re-use information, difficult to find new products
09:20:50 <ldodds> ... Vision: unified content strategy. Create once, approve once, re-use many times
09:21:04 <ldodds> ... ISO 13584 -- data model for describing products
09:21:14 <ldodds> ... DITA -- for natural language content
09:21:36 <ldodds> ... variety of outputs, including flyers, data sheets, online, etc
09:21:47 <ldodds> ... data sheets are mixture of text and data
09:22:07 <ldodds> ... parametric search interface for finding products
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09:22:35 <ldodds> ... dictionary of properties of products
09:23:33 <ldodds> ... NXP want to be canonical source of information which is re-published by others, e.g. distributors, aggregators, etc
09:23:43 <ldodds> ... want Web of Data to help collaboration
09:23:58 <ldodds> ... http://data.nxp.com and http://qa.data.nxp.com
09:24:19 <ldodds> ... that is a work in progress
09:24:38 <ldodds> ... give us feedback on what is there
09:24:46 <ldodds> ... Open Data challenges
09:24:55 <ldodds> ... how do we convince others to use (linked) open data?
09:25:10 <ldodds> ... how do we justify business case (ROI) -- argue that its simpler
09:25:26 <ldodds> ... what formats should we use? (rate of adoption of RDF/Linked Data)
09:25:39 <ldodds> ... How do we ensure quality, security, enable access
09:25:51 <ldodds> ... How do we combine semi- and unstructed content in publications?
09:25:56 <ldodds> ... Are we giving away a key asset?
09:26:07 <ldodds> ... How do we standardise in industry?
09:27:08 <ldodds> Next speakers are Andy Hedges & Richard McKeating, Tesco
09:27:16 <StevenPemberton> s/unstructed/unstructured
09:28:06 <ldodds> Andy: big numbers about tesco, but what is interesting is how our data connects us
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09:28:23 <ldodds> ... some of that data is ours, some belongs to others: customers, suppliers, manufacturers
09:28:36 <ldodds> ... may not be able to share all of it: rights, commercial sensitivity
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09:28:57 <ldodds> ... need to understand where information comes from, and how it can be best combined for customer benefit
09:29:09 <ldodds> ... offer customers best service/prices and compare data
09:29:36 <ldodds> ... perhaps not intuitive to allow cross-supermarket price comparison, but want to be a good brand have good contract with community
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09:30:06 <ldodds> Richard: I'm passionate about how to use open data, microformats, etc to help customers
09:30:34 <ldodds> ... Tesco Open Data is about our customers
09:30:44 <ldodds> ... Places where you can buy things, incl. online
09:30:52 <ldodds> ... Products that we offer (across range of brands)
09:31:03 <ldodds> ... Orders: what's in your basket, or buy on the web
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09:31:21 <ldodds> ... Journeys: we make to fulfill orders, e.g. deliveries, logistics
09:31:36 <ldodds> ... Rewards: what do you get as a customer, club card pointers, offers, price promise
09:32:07 <ldodds> ... at Tesco we are on journey towards exposing this data, to allow app providers to access it
09:32:16 <ldodds> ... would be great to link to open data sources
09:32:26 <ldodds> ... really key area is how we share data with trading partners
09:32:41 <ldodds> ... important for brands to share product information, esp. accurate data
09:33:01 <ldodds> ... customer access to data, e.g. purchase history, allergen information, etc
09:33:11 <ldodds> ... Tesco sell NXP products :)
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09:33:42 <ldodds> ... but they have little information on it (opportunity for sharing)
09:34:06 <ldodds> Andy: customers don't just shop at tesco
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09:34:24 <ldodds> ... standards make our life easier
09:34:49 <ldodds> ... expose price promise, cross retailer product comparison, delivery choices
09:35:08 <ldodds> ... can compare products using GTIN (same EAN)
09:35:24 <ldodds> ... but suppliers might have different sizes, etc. Some products can vary
09:35:45 <ldodds> ... Keen to start dialog with standards makers
09:36:12 <ldodds> Next speaker is Mark Harrison, GS1
09:36:16 <ldodds> Slides: http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/GS1-LinkedDataPresentation-ODI-April2013.pdf
09:36:23 <ldodds> GS1 is a standards body, assigns GTINs
09:36:53 <ldodds> Mark: GS1 is global stds org; 1m companies working on standards, e.g. for barcodes, logistics, rfid, etc
09:37:11 <ldodds> ... new initiative started in Feb, GS1 digital: putting identification into the web
09:37:49 <ldodds> ... B2C example: map human-readable keywords ("milk") to Product category identifier (GPC), search has user constraints (price, distance, urgency)
09:38:08 <ldodds> ... contextual filters for product category, e.g. organic, skimmed milk
09:38:37 <ldodds> ... refine search to find products and services that match needs, e.g local store offering the product
09:38:53 <ldodds> ... Achieve this using data linkages
09:39:17 <ldodds> ... start with keyword which is mapped to category; category has attributes/criteria
09:39:54 <ldodds> ... imagine using contextual searching across all suppliers across the web, not just facet search within single website
09:40:04 <ldodds> ... Schema.org and Good Relations are key vocabularies
09:40:26 <ldodds> ... + GS1 : Global Product Classification (GPC)
09:40:45 <ldodds> ... easy for them to open that, already available as XML, in process of creating multi-lingual RDF
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09:41:18 <ldodds> ... GSN: Global Data Synchronisation Network has additional data about manufacturers, etc
09:41:29 <ldodds> ... GPC as Linked Open Data
09:42:05 <ldodds> Slide shows simple example graph of GTIN and facets
09:42:19 <ldodds> Mark: please collaborate with us: email gs1digital@gs1.org
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09:42:38 <ldodds> ... I'm working on project as researcher, others handling industry engagement
09:43:12 <ldodds> Next speaker is Phillipe Plagnol
09:43:16 <ldodds> Product Open Data
09:43:18 <ldodds> Slides: http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/POD-2013.04.22_01.pdf
09:43:46 <ldodds> Philippe: Product data is critical for open data movement
09:44:10 <ldodds> ... everything around us is a product, has one GTIN code which is unique identifier
09:44:27 <ldodds> ... products used by everybody, every day
09:44:39 <ldodds> ... lots of contextual information, e.g. product packaging, nutrietion
09:44:58 <ldodds> ... products are fundamental for trade, economics
09:45:15 <ldodds> ... objective is to create big repository of data about products, based on barcode
09:45:31 <ldodds> ... include ecological impacts, sources, support responsible consumers
09:46:02 <ldodds> ... lots of apps to support product barcode scanning, then can use that to access data
09:46:12 <ldodds> ... BUT: currently no public database containing this database
09:46:54 <ldodds> ... manufacturers have all this information in databases to support printing, but don't share it
09:47:04 <ldodds> ... largely question of access
09:47:30 <ldodds> ... give us what is already printed on the packaging, using GTIN as a key
09:48:11 <ldodds> ... need to have a product schema for manufacturers to support their publishing
09:48:39 <ldodds> ... asking manufacturers for nutritional data
09:48:53 <ldodds> ... working in France, hoping to get traction in other countries
09:49:19 <ldodds> ... incredible possibilities of using this product data
09:49:48 <ldodds> ... GTIN is a new communication channel. More easily support product annotation, product mapping, etc
09:50:23 <ldodds> ... apps can support product reviews, consumer recommendations/decision support
09:50:39 <ldodds> ... only thing stopping us is an open catalog of the data
09:50:56 <ldodds> ... imagine a "google maps for products"
09:52:01 <ldodds> Example of consumer buying decisions based on using a third-party app that uses ecological data
09:52:31 <ldodds> Now moving to discussion with all speakers
09:52:59 <ldodds> PhilArcher: (to Andy) does Philippe's talk scare/please you?
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09:53:18 <ldodds> Andy: pleases us, we want to see this data opened too, helps us be better retailer
09:53:32 <ldodds> ... an awesome challenge
09:53:59 <ldodds> Richard: legislation is important too, "contains nuts" is a life/death decision
09:54:32 <ldodds> John: v. interesting. In semi-conductor industry, people will take the data if its available
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09:54:50 <ldodds> ... want to make sure products are accurately described, whether its strawberries or microchips
09:55:00 <ldodds> ... help consumers find what they need
09:55:18 <ldodds> PhilArcher: Mark, what are members saying?
09:55:42 <ldodds> Mark: enthusiasm from many members, great opportunity for all of us to be more responsible consumers
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09:55:55 <ldodds> ... how do we spend out money, what choices do we make?
09:56:37 <ldodds> Jim King (Adobe): isn't there a large product db of RFID data?
09:56:58 <ldodds> Mark: not quite the same thing, that is likely EPC data, movement of stock through supply chain
09:57:04 <ldodds> ... we're discussing the product master data
09:57:19 <ldodds> ... opening EPC data is more commercially sensitive
09:57:41 <ldodds> TomHeath: this is great session, what are the concrete steps towards openly licensed data?
09:58:06 <ldodds> Mark: different kinds of product data; product categories/values can be openly licensed, largely format shift
09:58:22 <ldodds> ...data from manufacturers, requires discussions with them, v. early stage
09:58:34 <ldodds> ... they need confidence in benefits for themselves and others and licensing discussions
09:58:40 <ldodds> ... lots of good will, enthusiasm
09:58:59 <ldodds> Richard: Tesco are translating desire to action by working with GS1 and brands
09:59:11 <ldodds> ... make it easy and not disadvantage suppliers
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09:59:58 <ldodds> ZachBeauvais: heard lots of positive noises, but what are the business cases on building on available open data? Any concrete examples?
10:00:15 <ldodds> Richard: one bus. case is legislative changes and ensuring that products are accurately described
10:00:28 <ldodds> ... opportunities within our enterprise, we have silos
10:00:40 <ldodds> ... really only just starting to understand wider bus. case
10:00:56 <ldodds> Martin ? (IBM): are competitors trying to catch up?
10:01:18 <ldodds> Richard: plenty of retailers working in this space, but not co-ordination yet
10:01:47 <ldodds> John: companies are already scraping and reselling data outside of our control
10:01:58 <ldodds> ... if we can clearly license it, then can make it easier
10:02:06 <ldodds> Closing statements
10:02:39 <ldodds> Philippe: originally saw GS1 as "enemy", but can now see they're embracing open data
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10:03:04 <ldodds> ... GTIN code is often hidden by lots of ecommerce web sites, needs to be published and clearly available
10:03:27 <ldodds> ... come and download dump our own data to see how it is constructed
10:03:38 <ldodds> ... I'm following GS1 stds work, give me feedback
10:03:57 <ldodds> Mark: huge opportunity to make a difference, make world better place
10:04:15 <ldodds> John: in B2B industry, focus needs to be on streamlining business integration
10:04:23 <ldodds> Richard: keep focus on benefits for customer
10:04:37 <ldodds> Andy: echo that, need to look at customer needs.
10:04:51 <ldodds> That's the end of the session!
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10:23:07 <naomi_> Topic:  Dumb Strings That Mean So Much
10:23:14 <naomi_> Chair:  Hideaki Takeda
10:23:26 <naomi_> scribenick:  naomi
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10:28:17 <naomi_> Next speaker:  Ministry of the Interior of the Netherlands, Geonovum, Hans Overbeek
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10:28:39 <naomi_> Hans:  Concept URI Strategy for the NL Public Sector
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10:29:09 <naomi_> ... Thijs gives you geographic informaion
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10:29:20 <ivan> s/infomaion/information/
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10:31:46 <PhilA> topic: Draft URI Strategy for the NL Public Sector, Hans Overbeek
10:31:57 <PhilA> paper http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/odw13_submission_14.pdf
10:32:29 <PhilA> Hans: Talking about Designing URI Sets for Public Sector, ISA programme study on URI Persistence etc
10:32:48 <PhilA> Hans: Why do we need a URI strategy - it's about trust, provenance
10:32:57 <PhilA> ... hard to do in the LOD Cloud
10:33:18 <PhilA> Hans: We want our URIs to be recognisable and trustworthy
10:34:17 <PhilA> Hans: We have  kept registers - buildings, railways etc. for hundreds of years, mostly to define identifiers
10:34:23 <PhilA> ... joint points for linked data
10:35:13 <PhilA> Hans: we develop a model and a vocabulary for it
10:35:22 <PhilA> ... a register is a list of things that you want to reference
10:35:58 <PhilA> Hans: then there's all the sensor data etc. What we think of as the big data
10:36:38 <PhilA> ... re-use of things like reference objects is what we want to re-use when we write our URI strategy
10:37:02 <PhilA> ... we struggled a little as we have to mint URIs, but we have a lot of identifiers that we can re-use
10:37:08 <PhilA> ... but we don't have a register for everything
10:37:20 <PhilA> ... there was no register for all our municialites
10:37:33 <PhilA> ... so we had to mint URIs for them... which means making a register
10:37:41 <PhilA> ... you can only have URIs if you have a register
10:37:53 <PhilA> ... No iregister? No identifier
10:38:02 <PhilA> ... so we were convinced that we needed a URI strategy
10:38:32 <PhilA> ... the pattern that we used was, not surprisingly the one developed in the UK/backed by ISA
10:39:23 <PhilA> Hans: The domain should identify the regsiter in a persistent way, {register}.data.gov.nl
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10:40:24 <PhilA> Hans: The UK pattern has a {sector} in the pattern which sounds nice but its' hard to find someone to govern the sectors. Some will overlap etc.
10:40:38 <PhilA> ... so we thought we might not deed {sector} and left it out
10:40:51 <StevenPemberton> s/deed/need/
10:41:06 <StevenPemberton> s/its'/it's/
10:41:07 <PhilA> ... with no strategy, you can use any URI, but it's less recognisable and less trustworthy
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10:41:20 <PhilA> hans: That means we end up having to have a register of registers
10:41:38 <StevenPemberton> s/municialites/municipalities
10:41:40 <PhilA> Hans: What infratsructure is needed?
10:41:55 <StevenPemberton> s/iregister/register
10:42:04 <PhilA> Hans: which apps use the resvolvers and how frequently
10:42:13 <PhilA> Hans: There's more in the presentation and the paper
10:42:19 <StevenPemberton> s/regsiter/register
10:42:27 <PhilA> ... are we heading the right way?
10:42:48 <StevenPemberton> s/infratsructure/infrastructure
10:42:57 <PhilA> Topic: Shared understanding = shared foreign keys (and more), Richard Light
10:43:03 <StevenPemberton> s/resvolvers/resolvers
10:43:05 <PhilA> paper http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/odw13_submission_17.pdf
10:43:15 <PhilA> slides http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/odw13_slides_17.pdf
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10:44:11 <PhilA> Richard: Want to talk about a pragmatic approach to getting URIs into the cultural heritage sector
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10:45:14 <PhilA> Richard: gives brief history of museum identifiers
10:45:41 <PhilA> ... work was done on vocabularies, controlled vocabularies
10:45:55 <naomi_> scribenick:  PhilA
10:46:56 <JeniT> is this the first RDF/XML of the workshop?
10:47:17 <PhilA> Richard: shows some examples of collections described in RDF
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10:49:49 <PhilA> Richard: There are good discussions in progress across the sectors...
10:49:49 <PhilA> ... but although there is more RDF coming out, when you look in detail, a lot of values are given as strings
10:50:21 <PhilA> Richard: Modes is software used in most UK museums, Not free but you become a share holder
10:50:51 <PhilA> Richard: Modes includes standard term lists etc., that become standards across users
10:51:02 <PhilA> ... now startung to use Web to get the terms
10:52:00 <PhilA> Richard: Modes includes a live search of geonames as source of URLs for geographic places. Conversion happens in the software
10:52:26 <PhilA> Richard: Can we use SPARQL endpoints as a a term list? Yes...
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10:53:17 <PhilA> Richard: Curators won't do any LD publishing themselves. All done in Modes
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10:53:59 <PhilA> Richard: uses XSLT to transform data from original XML data. handles the conneg etc
10:54:19 <StevenPemberton> s/startung/starting
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10:54:52 <PhilA> Richard: Shows work that gave a URI to every word Shakespeare ever wrote
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10:55:26 <PhilA> Richard: Adlib and CALM so looking at generating/using linked data
10:55:56 <PhilA> Richard: gives example of dog food eacting
10:56:04 <PhilA> s/eacting/eating/
10:56:20 <PhilA> Topic: Aggregating media fragments into collaborative mashups: standards and a prototype, Philippe Duchesne
10:56:30 <PhilA> paper http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/odw13_submission_28.pdf
10:56:53 <PhilA> pd: on Media Fragments
10:57:17 <PhilA> pd: lists issues faced
10:58:31 <PhilA> scribe note - slides are expressive/detailed
10:59:30 <PhilA> pd: points to earlier work that is all media specific
11:00:02 <PhilA> pd: No harmonised definition of the fragments
11:00:17 <PhilA> pd: Wanted to decouple fragment from media
11:00:45 <PhilA> pd: geospatial and tree paths not part of any previous work AFAIK
11:02:07 <PhilA> pd: project done mostly using HTML/JSON developers
11:02:18 <PhilA> ... but we have a SPARQL endpoint as well
11:02:35 <PhilA> JSON on the screen a few minutes after RDF/XML...
11:04:18 <PhilA> Sorry folks, no time for questions on this session
11:05:32 <PhilA> pd: gives a quick demo
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11:07:28 <PhilA> topic: Digital Archiving 3.0, Christophe Gu�ret
11:07:36 <PhilA> paper http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/odw13_submission_34.pdf
11:07:44 <PhilA> slides http://www.slideshare.net/cgueret/digital-archiving-30-odw
11:08:23 <PhilA> scribe note - slides are expressive
11:10:02 <PhilA> cgueret: we need to treat the data and metadata differently
11:10:09 <PhilA> ... we find LD the best format for thias
11:10:16 <PhilA> s/thias/this/
11:10:40 <PhilA> cgueret: Many formats for data itself
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11:11:49 <PhilA> cgueret: rather than force people to transform their data, they should just get the data in the repository - it's up to the latter to sort out formats
11:12:07 <PhilA> cgueret: Forget about URIs as data
11:12:11 <PhilA> PhilA:  Grrrr
11:12:48 <PhilA> cgueret: we have new formats every 5 years. Use conneg to handle format evolution
11:14:01 <ivan> -> a related pointer: how to cite data for scholarly purposes, the Amsterdam Manifesto, http://www.force11.org/AmsterdamManifesto
11:15:21 <CaptSolo> topic: Discovery panel
11:15:29 <CaptSolo> scribenick: CaptSolo
11:15:40 <CaptSolo> chair: danbri
11:16:00 <CaptSolo> danbri: we will be discovering discovery, as everything brings back to this topic
11:16:12 <CaptSolo> next speaker: Richard Wallis, OCLC
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11:16:34 <CaptSolo> rjw: working for OCLC
11:16:55 <CaptSolo> ... WorldCat (stats about number of lbiraries, books)
11:17:10 <CaptSolo> ... integrating linked data, schema.org
11:17:38 <CaptSolo> ... the other hat: chaired ... [could you add detail here, missed it?]
11:18:13 <CaptSolo> ... need to publicize links to resources
11:18:31 <CaptSolo> ... generic vocabs = generic "glue" that helps link resources
11:18:58 <LarsG> Richard chairs the Schema Bib Extend Community Group http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/
11:19:11 <CaptSolo> ... you have to demonstrate the benefits -- use the data to drive the services
11:19:30 <CaptSolo> next speaker: Chris Metcalf, Socrata
11:19:36 <CaptSolo> [http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/agenda#al59 abstract, paper]
11:19:50 <CaptSolo> Chris: ~60 customers who want to use open data
11:20:10 <CaptSolo> ... how can we use schema.org, etc. to help solve the discovery problem
11:20:23 <CaptSolo> ... catalogs that need to speak to each other (cities.data.gov, ...)
11:20:39 <CaptSolo> ... how can we encourage people and industry
11:20:54 <CaptSolo> note: if i miss things scribing, please add them :)
11:21:47 <CaptSolo> (technical pause)
11:22:01 <CaptSolo> next speaker: Steven Pemberton, CWI
11:22:01 <CaptSolo> StevenPemberton
11:22:02 <CaptSolo> [http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/agenda#al9 abstract, paper]
11:22:13 <CaptSolo> Steve: don't have slides, can speak now  :)
11:22:24 <CaptSolo> Steve: involved with W3C from day 1
11:22:36 <CaptSolo> ... name on number of standards, incl. RDFa
11:22:51 <CaptSolo> ... point of research: make computers easier for people to use
11:22:59 <CaptSolo> ... small data is important
11:23:07 <CaptSolo> ... e.g., website for this conference
11:23:29 <CaptSolo> ... you look for data on aiports, lodging, agenda, ... (and you enter same info again and again)
11:23:53 <CaptSolo> ... if the info were in RDFa you could automatically add this info to your calendar, find best flights, ...
11:24:08 <CaptSolo> ... if your browser helped you here, people's lives 'd better
11:24:23 <CaptSolo> ... and browsers would would by providing services that help use this data
11:24:26 <CaptSolo> ... win-win for all
11:24:30 <CaptSolo> ... use RDFa
11:25:02 <CaptSolo> next speaker: Pascal Romain and Elie Sloïm, Conseil général de la GIronde/Temesis
11:25:12 <CaptSolo> ... Pascal from local council
11:25:20 <CaptSolo> ... Elie from a company, W3C member
11:25:26 <CaptSolo> [http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/agenda#al38 abstract]
11:26:01 <CaptSolo> Elie: checklist of 72 good practices (fr, en)
11:26:20 <CaptSolo> ... every good practice has to be available online, international, usable, realistic
11:26:35 <CaptSolo> ... OPQuast - Open quality standards
11:26:47 <CaptSolo> ... if you are open data producer, go and check the guidelines
11:27:05 <markbirbeck> s/Steve: don't have slides/Steven: don't have slides/
11:27:12 <markbirbeck> ;)
11:27:34 <CaptSolo> Pascal: open data checklist : a tool for LOD?
11:27:37 <markbirbeck> s/Steve: involved with W3C from day 1/Steven: involved with W3C from day 1/
11:27:50 <CaptSolo> markbirbeck: thanks
11:28:07 <CaptSolo> next: Madi Solomon, Pearson
11:28:13 <CaptSolo> [http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/agenda#al48 abstract, paper, slides]
11:28:26 <CaptSolo> Madi: need to find new ways of doing business
11:28:42 <CaptSolo> ... provided a solution for publishing open linked data (?)
11:28:54 <CaptSolo> ... but never used the words "open" or "linked"
11:29:07 <CaptSolo> ... termed it resource enrichment (?)
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11:29:27 <CaptSolo> ... textbook can be broken down into a large number of assets
11:29:36 <CaptSolo> ... each requires its metadata, ...
11:29:51 <CaptSolo> ... concept extraction, keywords, faceted exploration
11:30:15 <CaptSolo> ... built a rule to match with wikipedia, automated metadata generation as quickly as possible
11:30:48 <CaptSolo> ... astrophysics textbook -- had to do filtering, though, to keep out sci-fi topics :)
11:31:02 <CaptSolo> ... found out we can make taxonomies on-the-fly
11:31:26 <CaptSolo> ... creates a baseline, curated taxonomy
11:31:41 <CaptSolo> ... virtuos circle -- put it back into community, maintain, update, ...
11:31:53 <CaptSolo> Dan: question time
11:32:03 <CaptSolo> ... back to W3C aspects
11:32:27 <CaptSolo> ... (question to the whole panel)
11:32:37 <CaptSolo> ... if not making standars, what should be doing instead
11:32:40 <CaptSolo> ... ?
11:32:49 <CaptSolo> Steven: small data is important.
11:33:15 <CaptSolo> ... see benets from including data on websites
11:33:53 <CaptSolo> Pascal?: standardisation is good efford
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11:34:11 <CaptSolo> rjw: not standards work, it is nurturing communities that have emerged
11:34:20 <CaptSolo> ... sharing experiences, ...
11:34:50 <CaptSolo> Madi: as new coach of digital Publishing IG - questions is what can i do for you?
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11:35:10 <CaptSolo> Chris: i love simple tools that do powerful things
11:35:34 <CaptSolo> ... w3c working on these things, but lot of people don't know re them
11:35:39 <CaptSolo> ... need to reach out, inform
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11:36:00 <CaptSolo> Elie: need to produce standards + guidelines for implementing those standards
11:36:20 <CaptSolo> ... have nice specs but not always simple to implement
11:36:25 <CaptSolo> questions from the audience
11:37:20 <CaptSolo> Hadley: back to geocities era - we made lists
11:37:32 <CaptSolo> ... feel we are doing that now = making data catalogs, lists of resources
11:37:56 <CaptSolo> ... what we need to do to make it worthwhile to index the metadata by search engines
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11:38:07 <CaptSolo> ... so average person can participate
11:38:10 <CaptSolo> (applause)
11:38:24 <CaptSolo> Chris: that's schema.org RDFa stuff
11:38:34 <CaptSolo> ... build it into catalogs, so data gets crawled
11:38:52 <CaptSolo> ... not just list datasets, also make metadata schemas more practical for people
11:39:04 <CaptSolo> ... want to type in my ZIP-code and find what's relevant to me
11:39:22 <CaptSolo> rjw: we (non-search-engines) we need to talk their (search engine) language
11:39:45 <CaptSolo> ... need to put up resources in front of people
11:39:59 <CaptSolo> Steven: i marked my homepage w RDFa
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11:40:13 <CaptSolo> ... involved me ending up on Google Maps w the location where I live
11:40:21 <CaptSolo> danbri: getting more vistors? :)
11:40:39 <CaptSolo> Bob Schloss (IBM): by analogy to SEO - let's implement
11:41:00 <CaptSolo> ... fabulous implementation -- go to cloud's website, enter a URL from where the dataset can be fetched
11:41:15 <CaptSolo> ... they 'd "suck in"  the dataset and give it buck w enriched metadata
11:41:22 <CaptSolo> s/buck/back/
11:41:37 <CaptSolo> ... let's externalize it. if nobody starts, we won't have it
11:41:53 <CaptSolo> Chris: we are doing cataloging well
11:42:01 <CaptSolo> ... re dscovery by search engines
11:42:13 <CaptSolo> ... data by itself not so useful to everyday people
11:42:22 <CaptSolo> ... people need to *use* those datasets
11:42:33 <CaptSolo> ... we need to allow the data to be more useful
11:43:11 <CaptSolo> Bernadette: as someone who has spent years on vocabs for linked data
11:43:21 <CaptSolo> ... need communication, mentoring
11:43:31 <CaptSolo> ... info that simply and quickly explains what it is about
11:43:46 <CaptSolo> ... to those who make decisions
11:44:02 <CaptSolo> ... people in this room should write books, make videos, organize seminars with the stakeholders
11:44:20 <CaptSolo> ... there's so many standards, implementations. can be overwhelming
11:45:02 <CaptSolo> (miss this one re google glass, RDFa, ...)
11:45:20 <CaptSolo> Martin, CTIC: Spanish experience re economy, corruption
11:45:39 <CaptSolo> ... Spanish government launched a technical standard for all public bodies
11:45:54 <CaptSolo> ... all have to use these guidelines when exposing open data
11:46:03 <CaptSolo> ... have to use linked data
11:46:20 <CaptSolo> ... URI scheme for catalogs, datasets, ...
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11:47:01 <CaptSolo> now the last round of comments from the panel
11:47:08 <CaptSolo> danbri: 10words of 30 syllables now
11:47:24 <CaptSolo> Steven: if you got information, it should be on the web + machine readable
11:47:50 <CaptSolo> ?: as data producers think of objects and entities -- instead of datasets
11:48:21 <CaptSolo> rjw: you're only people in the domain who know the benefits -- demonstrate them to everyone !
11:48:38 <CaptSolo> Madi: middle place b/w where data is release and ppl access it. data-driven businesses
11:48:55 <CaptSolo> Chris: we as LOD advocates need to reach out to ppl outside the LOD community
11:49:06 <CaptSolo> ... many as tired of SemWeb cause they don't see the benefits
11:49:14 <CaptSolo> ... schema.org,RDFa, simple tools
11:49:26 <CaptSolo> Elie: need more metadata for search engings, end-users
11:49:36 <CaptSolo> ... metadata quality -- checks needed
11:49:42 <CaptSolo> ... make website for end-users
11:49:47 <CaptSolo> ... websites
11:49:59 <CaptSolo> ... need to work on quality
11:50:08 <CaptSolo> danbri: thanks to the panel
11:50:20 <CaptSolo> rrsagent, here?
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12:58:33 <CaptSolo> Michalis speaking now re publicspending.gr
12:59:01 <JeniT> Topic: “Storytelling” in the economic LOD: the case of publicspending.gr
12:59:38 <JeniT> Michalis: visualising open spending data
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13:00:17 <JeniT> ... linked open data enables these kinds of analysis
13:00:30 <JeniT> ... this has prompted new projects on LOD
13:00:41 <JeniT> ... network analysis is a useful tool suited to linked data & semantic web
13:00:46 <JeniT> ... particular interest in real-time open data
13:01:14 <JeniT> question: what tools did you use to generate network analysis graphs?
13:01:28 <JeniT> Michalis: visualisations were done by Gephi, processed by R & other mathematical tools
13:01:48 <bschloss> Coupling a data exploration, visualization, story assembly website such as IBM's Many Eyes 2.0 on top of LOD seems like something worth pursuing.  See http://www-958.ibm.com/software/analytics/labs/manyeyes/#home
13:01:48 <JeniT> ... all done with open source tools
13:02:15 <JeniT> Topic: Bottom up Activities for linked open data, open government in Japan
13:02:36 <JeniT> Takumi from OKF Japan
13:02:38 <bschloss> Reminder to PhilA -- put RDA lightening talk slides on ODW Workshop website, please!
13:03:11 <JeniT> ... and from Keio University
13:03:33 <JeniT> Takumi: International Open Data in Japan Feb 23rd 2013, 300 participants in 8 cities
13:04:06 <JeniT> ... botom-up activities from stakeholders are driving LOD in Japan
13:04:16 <JeniT> ... academic institutions try to engage with local government & communities
13:04:25 <StevenPemberton> s/botom/bottom/
13:04:34 <JeniT> ... community members have  same goals for LOD, which promotes collaboration
13:04:49 <JeniT> ... neutral intermediary coordinates activities & shares best practices
13:05:05 <JeniT> ... LODAC (LOD for ACademia) http://lod.ac/
13:05:30 <JeniT> ... develops lots of datasets & builds dictionaries
13:05:36 <JeniT> ... engages with local communities
13:05:52 <JeniT> ... Yokohama city, one of the biggest cities in Japan, large LOD community
13:06:09 <JeniT> ... Sabae city has first local government in Japan publishing LOD on its website
13:06:24 <JeniT> ... LODAC & Yokohama community collaborate
13:06:45 <JeniT> ... create mashup around museum & event information, demonstrating value of combining datasets from different communities
13:06:59 <JeniT> ... private companies have question/answer datasets for Yokohama city
13:07:07 <bschloss> I will e-mail you slides, for now, add links please to http://rd-alliance.org and to http://static.squarespace.com/static/50ad9169e4b00ca12a884beb/t/50b34139e4b033e6125eec16/1353924921864/rda-flyer.pdf (their 1-page flyer)
13:07:27 <JeniT> ... community generated new consortium, including government, citizen, academic members
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13:07:43 <JeniT> ... this led to Yokohama city becoming big LOD community
13:07:55 <JeniT> ... Sabae city first publisher of LOD on its website
13:08:03 <JeniT> ... 2011 published XML datasets with CC licences
13:08:09 <JeniT> ... 2012 published RDF
13:08:23 <JeniT> ... ATR Creative (private company) used LOD for their own product
13:08:26 <yoshiaki> Yokohama Art Spot: http://lod.ac/apps/yas/
13:08:34 <JeniT> ... iPhone application
13:09:01 <JeniT> ... Sabae city became most advanced open data city in Japan, because of collaboration between stakeholders
13:09:23 <JeniT> ... government publishes datasets, but other organisations gather, aggregate, make available LOD
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13:09:38 <yoshiaki> Sabae Burari, an application of POI and maps mush-up for local sightseeing spot: https://itunes.apple.com/jp/app/sabaeburari/id595859507?mt=8
13:09:45 <JeniT> ... OKF Japan organises bottom-up activities in Japan
13:10:11 <JeniT> ... organised 300 participants in open data day, some doing hackathons, some editing Wikipedia
13:10:18 <yoshiaki> International Open Data Day in Japan: http://odhd13.okfn.jp/
13:10:19 <JeniT> ... over 90% participants were satisfied
13:10:40 <JeniT> ... biggest benefits around networking, sharing ideas, and learning about open data & improving engineering skills
13:10:53 <JeniT> ... those involved from different sectors
13:11:17 <JeniT> ... OKF Japan helps to share best practices with each area, by providing toolkits & tutorials
13:11:33 <JeniT> ... eg Where Does My Money Go? originally developed in UK, localised for Japanese usage
13:11:44 <JeniT> ... used in Yokohama city, with tutorials for other cities
13:12:02 <JeniT> ... Conclusion:
13:12:14 <JeniT> ... bottom-up activities has driven engagement
13:12:23 <JeniT> ... collaboration by academia is key
13:12:36 <JeniT> ... neutral intermediary (OKF Japan) coordinates & helps share activities
13:12:56 <JeniT> Topic: Utilising Linked Social Media Data for Tracking Public Policy and Services
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13:13:05 <JeniT> Deirdre from DERI
13:14:00 <JeniT> Deirdre: relationship between open data & public policy
13:14:17 <JeniT> ... can be used to influence public policy & services, to lobby, influence policy makers
13:14:29 <JeniT> ... eg use statistics to guide new schools
13:14:40 <JeniT> ... also used to justify policy decisions
13:14:47 <JeniT> ... and to evaluate policies
13:15:17 <JeniT> ... eg environmental measurements to see whether regulations have had an effect
13:15:28 <JeniT> ... still a lot of research to do about how this all works
13:15:43 <JeniT> ... what about combining open data with social media data?
13:16:06 <JeniT> ... could give evidence-based policy evaluation
13:16:27 <JeniT> ... social media data is already being used for business intelligence, trend analysis, opinions on brand etc
13:16:34 <JeniT> ... lots of activity from industry
13:16:50 <JeniT> ... government is coming around to this, but using them in limited ways
13:17:11 <JeniT> ... social media used for dissemination & limited engagement, but not to full potential
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13:17:17 <JeniT> ... not being used to get information from social media
13:17:28 <JeniT> ... government is only a publisher, not a consumer of social media
13:18:09 <JeniT> ... government should be harnessing information from social media
13:18:16 <JeniT> ... proposed to do this using linked data
13:18:36 <JeniT> ... extract data from social media, express as linked data, analysis on it
13:18:43 <JeniT> ... challenges:
13:18:58 <JeniT> ... wide variety of sources, each with its own API
13:19:03 <JeniT> ... wide variety of formats
13:19:05 <JeniT> ... privacy concerns
13:19:14 <JeniT> ... can be noisy, difficult to process
13:19:38 <JeniT> ... this is all based on solid research funded under EU FP7
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13:19:57 <CaptSolo> www.linked2media.eu
13:19:59 <JeniT> ... Linked2media to provide SMEs with tooling
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13:20:13 <JeniT> ... DERI developed Social Media Linked Data Space
13:20:31 <JeniT> ... now trying to apply this (designed for SMEs) to government
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13:20:56 <JeniT> ... has a triplestore, crawlers, integrating 25 different sites including review sites
13:21:25 <JeniT> ... there are restrictions on different social media APIs which limit which data you can access
13:21:50 <JeniT> ... once we have data, we model in common linked data format, reusing existing vocabularies
13:21:56 <JeniT> ... using SIOC for review data
13:21:58 <ldodds__> PhilA: can I add a barcamp discussion proposal?
13:22:06 <JeniT> ... schema.org, rev, Marl etc
13:22:39 <ldodds__> PhilA: How should we attribute open datasets?
13:22:39 <JeniT> ... next steps are to look into integration of social media data with other linked data
13:22:58 <JeniT> ... also using data to influence, justify & evaluate public policy
13:23:16 <JeniT> ... not just technical aspects to this research, also social, political etc
13:23:26 <JeniT> Topic: Panel discussion
13:23:47 <JeniT> Christian: run a small web design company in London
13:24:06 <JeniT> ... running tool to monitor corruption
13:24:38 <JeniT> Uldis: if you had one lesson learnt, what would it be?
13:24:53 <JeniT> Christian: we've had a lack of collaboration, despite open source tools
13:25:16 <JeniT> Deirdre: use of social media data is limited by the restrictions that they place on it
13:25:52 <JeniT> Michalis: big lesson is that critical mass for open data is lower than the web itself
13:26:01 <JeniT> ... you build on the existing web
13:26:19 <JeniT> ... make an application work, and everything else will fall into place
13:26:36 <JeniT> Takumi: engage with local community and local government
13:26:49 <JeniT> ... local community has a diversity of needs
13:27:02 <JeniT> ... need cross-relationships to tackle the real problems
13:27:54 <JeniT> Bart: for Deirdre: did you investigate engaging with the public rather than just reading twitter? asking specific questions rather than just listening?
13:28:16 <JeniT> Deridre: that's something we are looking at
13:28:27 <JeniT> ... a lot of citizen engagement platforms ask on specific topics
13:28:41 <JeniT> ... but it's hard to find participants that care enough to give that feedback
13:28:48 <JeniT> ... when you just listen you can see the trends
13:29:02 <JeniT> ... see what they *do* care about: maybe they just care about environment, not transport
13:29:18 <JeniT> ... these are different approaches for different goals
13:29:54 <JeniT> Uldis: what do you expect to get from crowd-sourcing?
13:30:08 <JeniT> Christian: we kept hearing stories about corruption, but we didn't write them down or map them
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13:30:16 <JeniT> ... wanted to build something
13:30:24 <JeniT> ... doesn't work for people who don't have internet access
13:30:33 <cerealtom> yvesr: surely its time for a game of crack attack!
13:30:33 <JeniT> ... they do have mobile phones, we have SMS number
13:30:49 <JeniT> ... we want to tell people they have something wrong in their country
13:31:27 <JeniT> Kal: are you concerned about the demographic about people who contribute open data & participate on social media, and how that's different from demographic of general population?
13:31:45 <JeniT> Takumi: in Japan, we don't have much difference
13:32:06 <JeniT> ... tends to be young people, lots of men, but otherwise not so much difference
13:32:40 <CaptSolo> Takumi's coauthor is speaking
13:32:54 <JeniT> panelmember: in both Yokohama & Sabae, there are lots of knowledge workers
13:33:21 <JeniT> ... lots of data providers
13:33:42 <JeniT> ... many students took part in open data day, to compose articles on Wikipedia
13:34:10 <JeniT> Michalis: researchers & journalists are different
13:34:17 <JeniT> ... because of how they're funded
13:34:27 <JeniT> ... there are both types of users in each demographic
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13:34:52 <JeniT> ... we're seeing a spread in access around Greece, among users who just want to find relevant information
13:35:04 <JeniT> Deirdre: I'm not worried about the demographic as long as we're aware of it
13:35:10 <JeniT> ... we're not claiming that it's representative
13:35:18 <JeniT> ... you can build in SMSs or having real workshops
13:35:20 <CaptSolo> s/panelmember: in/Yoshiaki Fukami: in/
13:35:31 <JeniT> ... if you need something that's representative, build in other demographics
13:35:44 <JeniT> Christian: new technology goes hand-in-hand with old technology, don't forget radio
13:36:02 <JeniT> BobSchloss: political parties are getting clever at extracting features from social media
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13:36:24 <JeniT> ... some politicians have dashboards in which the weight of each statement is modified by Facebook friends or twitter followers
13:36:48 <JeniT> ... the rumour is that they can identify whether people are influential in their communities
13:37:08 <JeniT> ... will we see comments being weighted?
13:37:29 <JeniT> Christian: like A/B testing politics: it's no longer politics just the most popular person wins
13:37:39 <JeniT> Deirdre: is that something that should or can be stopped? probably not
13:37:51 <JeniT> ... if we just have opinions then it's biased & subjective
13:38:00 <JeniT> ... if we just have open data, it's not tied into human aspect
13:38:09 <JeniT> ... we need to combine the two to get the balance
13:38:22 <JeniT> Michalis: if you can make objective information more attractive
13:38:36 <JeniT> ... can you relate election area to spending, for example
13:38:50 <JeniT> ... tagging the spatial location of the payment
13:39:00 <JeniT> ... you can find objective information in a subjective way
13:39:36 <JeniT> Uldis: Concluding comments?
13:40:11 <JeniT> Michalis: we believe economic LOD should be nucleus of LOD
13:40:16 <JeniT> ... need money to go around
13:40:36 <JeniT> ... need to say clearly to policy makers which data is data infrastructure
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13:40:47 <JeniT> ... eg in economics, all public spending, prices
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13:40:59 <JeniT> ... theory and application together
13:41:24 <JeniT> Takumi: relationship between local community & other communities very important
13:41:59 <JeniT> Deirdre: as a community, it's great to see our progress, but I'd love to see more interdisciplinary talks & sessions at these events
13:42:12 <JeniT> ... bringing real use cases to complement the technical skills we bring
13:42:27 <JeniT> Christian: we mustn't forget that there are parts of the world where things aren't moving at this speed
13:42:41 <JeniT> ScribeNick: AndreaP
13:42:51 <AndreaP> Topic: Lightning Talks - eGovernment and multilingualism (chair: Yaso Córdova)
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13:43:57 <AndreaP> Topic: A Brief Report on the Research Data Alliance Plenary in March 2013 (Bob Schloss, IBM)
13:44:25 <AndreaP> Bob: Huge amount of data from scientists in the next years
13:44:49 <AndreaP> ... How such data will be accessible?
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13:45:40 <AndreaP> ... RDA wants to move as IETF
13:46:09 <AndreaP> ... to accelerate and facilitate research data exchange.
13:46:24 <AndreaP> ... A number of WGs are being organised
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13:46:52 <AndreaP> ... e.g., on Persistent Identifiers, Metadata
13:47:05 <AndreaP> ... They want to look at existing standards.
13:47:23 <AndreaP> ... Provenance and quality are other key issues for RDA.
13:47:52 <AndreaP> ... They want metadata to be searchable, in a cross-disciplinary way.
13:48:23 <AndreaP> ... Another issue: how to handle big datasets.
13:48:58 <AndreaP> ... Again: datasets for peer review.
13:49:21 <AndreaP> .. Real work starts in September. You are all encouraged to join.
13:50:03 <AndreaP> ... About how to join: http://rd-alliance.org/
13:50:13 <AndreaP> Topic: Open Data in Data Journalists' Workflow (Uldis Bojārs, University of Latvia)
13:51:17 <AndreaP> Uldis: National Library of Latvia opening up data.
13:51:40 <AndreaP> ... [interrupted]
13:52:48 <AndreaP> ... [technical issues]
13:53:27 <AndreaP> Topic: Empowering the E-government data life cycle (Edoardo Colombo, Politecnico di Milano)
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13:53:56 <AndreaP> Edoardo: The project is multidisciplinary.
13:54:14 <AndreaP> ... computer scientists, engineers, ...
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13:54:47 <AndreaP> ... Goal to set up a publishing protocol for open data that can be used by PAs.
13:56:11 <AndreaP> ... General goal is to set up an eGov system, enabling PAs to publish data and citizen to discover them.
13:56:45 <AndreaP> ... Why? To have facts, not opinions - open data are facts.
13:56:52 <bschloss> See rd-alliance.org , consider coming to their plenary in Washington DC in September, think what W3C standards and Open Data best practices (such as DCAT) can be extended for their needs.
13:57:12 <AndreaP> ... Presenting the system "search computing architecture".
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13:57:29 <AndreaP> ... Use case: money given to hospitals.
13:57:46 <AndreaP> ... The high level query is translated into low level ones.
13:58:06 <AndreaP> ... Result is presented to the user.
13:59:09 <AndreaP> Topic: Open Data in Data Journalists' Workflow (Uldis Bojārs, University of Latvia)
13:59:18 <AndreaP> Uldis: I'm back.
13:59:43 <AndreaP> ... Interested in the area of open data.
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14:00:05 <AndreaP> ... We need to make it easier to work with the data, to make them more re-usable.
14:00:34 <AndreaP> ... Work with data frictionless from the start.
14:00:55 <AndreaP> ... We should be able to use it for building stories.
14:01:13 <AndreaP> ... Presenting workflow on data-driven journalism process.
14:02:11 <AndreaP> ... The idea is to have a set of tools able to cover the whole process.
14:02:25 <AndreaP> ... Data journalism is just one of t he use cases.
14:03:03 <AndreaP> ... Stressing the need to get stories from data.
14:03:15 <AndreaP> s/t he/the/
14:03:55 <AndreaP> ... Most important part is data discovery and publishing.
14:04:48 <AndreaP> .. Journalist must have information useful to assess the quality of the data they are going to use, first of all information on data provenance.
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14:05:37 <AndreaP> Topic: Lessons learned (and questions raised) from an interdisciplinary Machine Translation approach (Timm Heuss, University of Plymouth)
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14:06:14 <AndreaP> Timm: Motivation is that ambiguity is an issue in Natural Language Processing.
14:06:22 <PhilA> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:06:29 <AndreaP> ... Ambiguity may result in incorrect translations.
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14:06:50 <AndreaP> ... Disambiguation is carried out based on dictionaries.
14:07:10 <AndreaP> ... Not like the approach.
14:07:25 <AndreaP> ... Rather: use what is in the LOD cloud.
14:08:27 <AndreaP> ... Statistics for LOD is key for NLP.
14:09:11 <AndreaP> ... Number of issues.
14:09:23 <AndreaP> ... Can LOD really model natural language?
14:09:49 <AndreaP> ... How can simply access LOD datasets? Some of the relevant ones are not easily accessible.
14:10:40 <AndreaP> Topic: Interoperability Challenges for Linguistic Linked Data (David Lewis, Trinity College Dublin)
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14:11:28 <AndreaP> David: Would like to talk on a number of issues: content management, NLP technologies, localisation.
14:11:58 <AndreaP> ... Presenting localisation's value chain.
14:12:30 <AndreaP> ... A lot of work is outsourced.
14:12:39 <AndreaP> ... Re-use is also a big market.
14:12:52 <AndreaP> ... Statistical machine translation is also used.
14:13:11 <AndreaP> ... The value chain is quite long.
14:13:39 <AndreaP> ... Support for interoperability is there (XML-based), but interoperability is expensive.
14:14:57 <AndreaP> ... W3C ITS IG (http://www.w3.org/International/its/ig/) is trying to address some of these issues.
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14:15:25 <AndreaP> ... The idea is to address all the localisation process workflow.
14:15:52 <AndreaP> ... This is done by using existing formats.
14:16:34 <AndreaP> .. Interest in using Linked Data to disambiguate terms and to introduce confidence.
14:16:51 <AndreaP> ... Also: how can we use Linked Open Data in the process?
14:17:08 <AndreaP> s/.. I/... I/
14:17:46 <AndreaP> ... Provenance ontology (http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/) very relevant here.
14:18:24 <AndreaP> ... RDF used also for process monitoring.
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14:19:26 <AndreaP> ... Another opportunity is to use multilingual LOD datasets to train machine translation.
14:20:47 <AndreaP> Topic: Bar Camp Pitches
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14:22:49 <AndreaP> Eric: Project on reference implementation for LOD supporting data quality and provenance
14:23:23 <AndreaP> Bart: How can we actually say that OD is successful from a business perspective.
14:24:23 <AndreaP> James: Which are the barriers to using OD?
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14:25:10 <CaptSolo> anyone ready to scribe? (as AndreaP is leaving soon)
14:25:25 <AndreaP> Leigh: Attribution and OD - can we have best practices on this?
14:25:46 <AndreaP> Bernadette: Best practices for Persistent URIs?
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14:27:20 <AndreaP> Christopher: Want to show what I did by aggregating data from different Universities
14:27:26 <CaptSolo> Wolfgang Orthuber
14:27:50 <CaptSolo> numeric feature spaces
14:28:43 <CaptSolo> JeniT, Omar: linked CSV
14:28:51 <CaptSolo> Mark Harrison: ?
14:29:13 <CaptSolo> AndreaP: can't manage to scribe everything, but i can add some detail
14:29:28 <CaptSolo> Michael Lutz: ?
14:29:43 <CaptSolo> ok, barcamp pitches finished
14:30:00 <CaptSolo> if you pitched barcamp ideas, add more detail here
14:31:44 <AndreaP> Michael: What you would like to have as a contribution from the European Commission on open data? e.g., concerning legislation, regulation, reference data and services
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