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11:41:51 <fsasaki> meeting: MLW-LT WG
11:41:58 <fsasaki> chair: felix
11:42:00 <fsasaki> scribe: tbd
11:42:19 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0167.html
11:42:30 <fsasaki> topic: roll call
11:42:35 <fsasaki> checking attendees ...
11:42:39 <fsasaki> present+ felix
11:42:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
11:49:32 <fsasaki> regrets: jörg, ankit, declan, phil, dave
11:49:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
11:56:01 <fsasaki> regrets+ david
11:56:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
11:58:13 <fsasaki> present+ phil
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12:01:51 <fsasaki> regrets- phil
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12:04:39 <fsasaki> scribe: chriLi
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12:05:00 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0177.html
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12:05:22 <fsasaki> topic: its:span
12:05:25 <leroy> present+ leroy
12:05:43 <chriLi> Felix: 0) its:span
12:05:54 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-tests/2013Apr/0026.html
12:06:07 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-tests/2013Apr/0030.html
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12:06:47 <chriLi> its:span is currently part of the schema. Jirka has explained why it is not good idea, Yves has explained why it is a good idea.
12:06:53 <mdelolmo> present+ mdelolmo
12:07:02 <Yves_> Never seen its:span used in real life either.
12:07:24 <chriLi> s/its:span is /Felix: its:span is /
12:07:53 <Pedro> present+ Pedro
12:07:56 <Yves_> agree with Jirka on the example
12:08:22 <chriLi> Jirka: We could encorporate its:span in the schema, but so far it has been rarely used.
12:08:36 <Yves_> sure
12:08:45 <chriLi> Felix: OK to leave everything as is.
12:08:57 <fsasaki> topic: Change of regex for allowed characters
12:09:05 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0162.html
12:09:20 <chriLi> Felix: Partipants of the call accept to not change the status quo for its:span.
12:09:32 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0170.html
12:09:46 <chriLi> s/Felix: 0) its:span/topic: its:span/
12:10:19 <Yves_> yes
12:10:41 <Yves_> no objection to close 67
12:10:43 <chriLi> Felix: Pablo and Yves are fine with the proposed change. Everyone else on the call is fine as well.
12:11:00 <fsasaki> close issue-67
12:11:00 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-67 Change definition of regular expression for allowed characters.
12:11:13 <Yves_> sure
12:11:31 <fsasaki> action: yves to make edit for issue-67 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0170.html
12:11:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-496 - Make edit for issue-67 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0170.html [on Yves Savourel - due 2013-05-01].
12:11:45 <chriLi> Felix: OK for Yves to due the edit for ISSUE-67.
12:12:40 <fsasaki> topic: HTML translate and HTML5 defaults
12:12:54 <chriLi> Felix: General idea is to not hardwire regexp for allowed chars in schema.
12:12:54 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0139.html
12:14:33 <Yves_> yes
12:14:47 <chriLi> Felix: Bottom line is "Definition of HTML5 'translate' and "inline" still unstable but we want to make people aware of its:translate. The idea is to cover HTML5 by means of a non-normative pointer (from a Wiki page)."
12:15:22 <chriLi> Felix: Everyone fine to close issues related to HTML5 "translate" and defaults?
12:15:42 <fsasaki> close issue-97
12:15:42 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-97 Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD - HTML translate.
12:15:46 <fsasaki> close-118
12:15:52 <chriLi> No objections in from the call. Felix volunteers to do the corresponding edit.
12:16:30 <fsasaki> action: felix to do edits related to HTML defaults , see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0139.html
12:16:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-497 - Do edits related to HTML defaults , see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0139.html [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-05-01].
12:16:46 <chriLi> Felix: Wiki page that Karl created will be moved to ITS IG Wiki and pointer from spec to it will be created.
12:16:50 <fsasaki> topic: Ruby
12:17:29 <chriLi> Felix: Waiting for response from I18N core. Status: Ruby removed from ITS 2.0
12:17:36 <fsasaki> topic: Data categories that need mappings in the wiki
12:17:43 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0087.html
12:17:56 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Tool_specific_mappings
12:18:35 <chriLi> Felix: We have a need for a number of mappings
12:19:02 <chriLi> Felix: ITS2XLIFF, locQualityIssue, textAnalysis, ...
12:19:23 <chriLi> Felix: What do people think? Are additional mappings needed?
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12:19:44 <fsasaki> action: felix to install the mappings in the IG wiki
12:19:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-498 - Install the mappings in the IG wiki [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-05-01].
12:19:55 <chriLi> Felix: Mappings will be stored in IG Wiki
12:20:36 <fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki
12:20:42 <fsasaki> christian: when we looked at loc quality issue
12:20:50 <fsasaki> .. we found the need to include version information
12:20:58 <fsasaki> .. related to tools that are mentioned in the mapping
12:21:10 <fsasaki> .. and we said we may benefit from one or two general statements
12:21:26 <fsasaki> .. that clarify the relationship between native ITS2 support and diverging values
12:21:56 <fsasaki> .. wonder if we should create a general preface for all mappings
12:22:04 <fsasaki> scribe: chriLi
12:22:08 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#lqissue-typevalues
12:22:21 <fsasaki> "To foster interoperability, implementers are strongly encouraged not to rely on these mappings and to implement the ITS 2.0 quality types natively."
12:22:27 <chriLi> Felix: Mapping for LocQualityType page has been adapted.
12:22:56 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/495
12:23:34 <chriLi> Felix: Arle will add version information for the LocQualityType.
12:23:53 <chriLi> Felix: Not sure if a general note would be adequate.
12:24:42 <chriLi> .. translate, and textAnalysis may not lend themselves to be covered natively by ITS
12:25:03 <chriLi> .. mapping might be a better choice
12:25:54 <chriLi> .. Example: using RDFa with Search Engines is better than using ITS natively (due to the support of RDFa in Search Engine)
12:26:37 <fsasaki> topic: Importance of normalization
12:26:47 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#its2-and-unicode-normalization
12:26:51 <chriLi> ChriLi: OK not to have a general set of remarks for all mappings
12:27:17 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-charmod-norm-20120501/#sec-NormalizingTranscoder
12:27:33 <chriLi> Felix: Mini section expresses guidance to use normalization forms
12:27:52 <chriLi> .. based on feedback from I18N core
12:28:05 <fsasaki> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013Apr/0021.html
12:29:03 <fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki
12:29:22 <fsasaki> christian: wondering how far normalization is addressed in XLIFF
12:29:34 <fsasaki> .. we want to ensure that we know how to go from ITS to XLIFF
12:29:40 <fsasaki> .. or "via" ITS to XLIFF
12:29:57 <fsasaki> .. knowing in advance which normalization approaches are recommended in both worlds would help
12:30:20 <fsasaki> .. heard that the XLIFF 2.0 spec will be sent out soon and that it addresses normalization
12:30:37 <fsasaki> .. davidF may have been able to talk about this
12:30:43 <fsasaki> scribe: chriLi
12:31:00 <chriLi> s/that it address/that it possibly addresses normalization/
12:32:11 <chriLi> Pnietoca: David had an action item to draft a spec. David only provided an example.
12:32:26 <Yves_> Sorry: I have not followed the discussion about normalization in XLIFF 2.0. I think that discussion is related to some validation module.
12:32:33 <chriLi> .. unsure whether the example included something related to normalization.
12:33:05 <Yves_> sure
12:33:09 <pnietoca> Christian the one that was talking was Phil not me :)
12:33:23 <chriLi> Felix: Yves, could you take an action to check XLIFF 2.0 normalization?
12:33:33 <fsasaki> action: yves to check normalization in XLIFF2 and see wehtehr it relates to ITS2
12:33:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-499 - Check normalization in XLIFF2 and see wehtehr it relates to ITS2 [on Yves Savourel - due 2013-05-01].
12:33:38 <chriLi> s/Pnietoca/Phil/
12:33:45 <pnietoca> but Phil is not on IRC just on the phone
12:33:55 <fsasaki> topic: XLIFF mapping
12:34:06 <Yves_> not much changes so far
12:34:28 <Yves_> there are still a few data cat that need to be resolved
12:34:52 <chriLi> Felix: Yves, any thoughts on stability of the mapping?
12:34:58 <Yves_> probably only XLIFF-related issues.
12:35:20 <chriLi> .. Should the mapping discussion moved back to the mainstream WG discussion?
12:35:22 <Yves_> yes that should be enough
12:35:48 <Yves_> I hope the same
12:35:57 <chriLi> .. Dave was hoping to stabilize by Bled f2f
12:36:21 <fsasaki> topic: Ontology
12:36:24 <chriLi> Felix: Stabilization of ITS2XILFF mapping by Bled f2f seems feasible
12:36:44 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/rdf#taIdentRef
12:36:57 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/rdf-content/its-rdf.rdf
12:37:13 <chriLi> Felix: Dave, Felix and Sebastian create RDF representation of ITS data categories
12:37:23 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/rdf#translate
12:37:39 <chriLi> .. Example: translate
12:37:48 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/rdf-content/its-rdf.rdf
12:38:26 <chriLi> Felix: Link explains how ontology can be using NIF context
12:38:36 <chriLi> .. nothing normative either
12:38:52 <chriLi> .. plan also to stabilize by Bled f2f
12:38:59 <fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki
12:39:15 <fsasaki> christian: so far the ontology itself or parts of it
12:39:28 <fsasaki> .. are these already part of the usage scenarios that have been implemented?
12:39:36 <fsasaki> scribe: chriLi
12:40:05 <chriLi> Felix: So far no one has yet used the ontology.
12:40:23 <chriLi> .. Good idea to include something in the usage scenarios
12:40:48 <chriLi> .. Sebastian is working on use in dbpedia spotlight
12:41:22 <fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki
12:41:33 <fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki
12:42:32 <fsasaki> action: christian to take ITS ontology and NIF conversion into account for the next update of the usage scenarios document - due 2013-05-15
12:42:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-500 - take ITS ontology and NIF conversion into account for the next update of the usage scenarios document [on Christian Lieske - due 2013-05-15].
12:42:42 <fsasaki> scribe: chriLi
12:42:51 <fsasaki> topic: Meeting schedule
12:42:57 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/EventSchedule
12:44:08 <chriLi> Felix: Some dates and locations still have to be fixed
12:44:39 <chriLi> .. It might be a good idea to combine meetings with outreach (for leveraging efforts)
12:44:58 <chriLi> .. Please share possibilities for doing this.
12:45:46 <chriLi> Phil: I submitted a couple of papers (LocWorld, MT Summit) and have talked to a couple of customers. Planning to spread word in customer base.
12:46:10 <chriLi> Felix: We have promised big events in the project.
12:46:34 <Ankit> There is a Projects Village (part of MT Summit).. perhaps MLW-LT as a group can have a stand there?.. just a suggestion
12:46:59 <Ankit> http://www.mtsummit2013.info/projects_village.asp
12:47:46 <chriLi> Pedro: I thought Rome event was big enough. Possibly we can have multiple smaller events rather than an additional big one.
12:49:35 <chriLi> Pedro: We may want to think about the live for ITS 2.0 after the rec has been published.
12:49:52 <chriLi> s/live/life/
12:50:04 <fsasaki> present+ pedro
12:50:29 <chriLi> Felix: Of course, we will ensure that we can consult, give guidance
12:50:57 <chriLi> .. Possibly: Include pointers to Wiki, mailing lists in presentations
12:51:11 <fsasaki> topic: its logo
12:51:42 <chriLi> Felix: Project partners already discussed
12:51:55 <chriLi> .. Pedro already made a proposal
12:52:15 <chriLi> .. Are people eager to have a logo.
12:52:22 <chriLi> Phil: Good idea
12:52:55 <chriLi> Pedro: I can sent around the proposal. However, we may want to have something that is not tied to MLW.
12:54:05 <chriLi> .. Possibly could be used on Web pages/sites to signal "ITS enabled".
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13:32:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
13:32:29 <fsasaki> regrets- ankit
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13:51:38 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-actions.rdf :
13:51:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: yves to make edit for issue-67 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0170.html [1]
13:51:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-irc#T12-11-31
13:51:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: felix to do edits related to HTML defaults , see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0139.html [2]
13:51:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-irc#T12-16-30
13:51:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: felix to install the mappings in the IG wiki [3]
13:51:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-irc#T12-19-44
13:51:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: yves to check normalization in XLIFF2 and see wehtehr it relates to ITS2 [4]
13:51:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-irc#T12-33-33
13:51:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: christian to take ITS ontology and NIF conversion into account for the next update of the usage scenarios document - due 2013-05-15 [5]
13:51:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-irc#T12-42-32