IRC log of mlw-lt on 2013-04-24

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meeting: MLW-LT WG
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chair: felix
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scribe: tbd
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0167.html
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topic: roll call
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checking attendees ...
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present+ felix
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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regrets: jörg, ankit, declan, phil, dave
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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regrets+ david
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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present+ phil
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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present+ Yves
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regrets- phil
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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present+ Jirka
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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present+ des
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present+ pnietoca
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scribe: chriLi
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present+ chriLi
12:05:00 [fsasaki]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0177.html
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present+ Milan
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present+ Des
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topic: its:span
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present+ leroy
12:05:43 [chriLi]
Felix: 0) its:span
12:05:54 [fsasaki]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-tests/2013Apr/0026.html
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-tests/2013Apr/0030.html
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-tests/2013Apr/0031.html
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present+ Ankit
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12:06:47 [chriLi]
its:span is currently part of the schema. Jirka has explained why it is not good idea, Yves has explained why it is a good idea.
12:06:53 [mdelolmo]
present+ mdelolmo
12:07:02 [Yves_]
Never seen its:span used in real life either.
12:07:24 [chriLi]
s/its:span is /Felix: its:span is /
12:07:53 [Pedro]
present+ Pedro
12:07:56 [Yves_]
agree with Jirka on the example
12:08:22 [chriLi]
Jirka: We could encorporate its:span in the schema, but so far it has been rarely used.
12:08:36 [Yves_]
sure
12:08:45 [chriLi]
Felix: OK to leave everything as is.
12:08:57 [fsasaki]
topic: Change of regex for allowed characters
12:09:05 [fsasaki]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0162.html
12:09:20 [chriLi]
Felix: Partipants of the call accept to not change the status quo for its:span.
12:09:32 [fsasaki]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0170.html
12:09:46 [chriLi]
s/Felix: 0) its:span/topic: its:span/
12:10:19 [Yves_]
yes
12:10:41 [Yves_]
no objection to close 67
12:10:43 [chriLi]
Felix: Pablo and Yves are fine with the proposed change. Everyone else on the call is fine as well.
12:11:00 [fsasaki]
close issue-67
12:11:00 [trackbot]
Closed ISSUE-67 Change definition of regular expression for allowed characters.
12:11:13 [Yves_]
sure
12:11:31 [fsasaki]
action: yves to make edit for issue-67 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0170.html
12:11:31 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-496 - Make edit for issue-67 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0170.html [on Yves Savourel - due 2013-05-01].
12:11:45 [chriLi]
Felix: OK for Yves to due the edit for ISSUE-67.
12:12:40 [fsasaki]
topic: HTML translate and HTML5 defaults
12:12:54 [chriLi]
Felix: General idea is to not hardwire regexp for allowed chars in schema.
12:12:54 [fsasaki]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0139.html
12:14:33 [Yves_]
yes
12:14:47 [chriLi]
Felix: Bottom line is "Definition of HTML5 'translate' and "inline" still unstable but we want to make people aware of its:translate. The idea is to cover HTML5 by means of a non-normative pointer (from a Wiki page)."
12:15:22 [chriLi]
Felix: Everyone fine to close issues related to HTML5 "translate" and defaults?
12:15:42 [fsasaki]
close issue-97
12:15:42 [trackbot]
Closed ISSUE-97 Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD - HTML translate.
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close-118
12:15:52 [chriLi]
No objections in from the call. Felix volunteers to do the corresponding edit.
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action: felix to do edits related to HTML defaults , see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0139.html
12:16:30 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-497 - Do edits related to HTML defaults , see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0139.html [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-05-01].
12:16:46 [chriLi]
Felix: Wiki page that Karl created will be moved to ITS IG Wiki and pointer from spec to it will be created.
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topic: Ruby
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Felix: Waiting for response from I18N core. Status: Ruby removed from ITS 2.0
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topic: Data categories that need mappings in the wiki
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0087.html
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http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/Tool_specific_mappings
12:18:35 [chriLi]
Felix: We have a need for a number of mappings
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Felix: ITS2XLIFF, locQualityIssue, textAnalysis, ...
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Felix: What do people think? Are additional mappings needed?
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action: felix to install the mappings in the IG wiki
12:19:44 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-498 - Install the mappings in the IG wiki [on Felix Sasaki - due 2013-05-01].
12:19:55 [chriLi]
Felix: Mappings will be stored in IG Wiki
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scribe: fsasaki
12:20:42 [fsasaki]
christian: when we looked at loc quality issue
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.. we found the need to include version information
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.. related to tools that are mentioned in the mapping
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.. and we said we may benefit from one or two general statements
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.. that clarify the relationship between native ITS2 support and diverging values
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.. wonder if we should create a general preface for all mappings
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scribe: chriLi
12:22:08 [fsasaki]
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#lqissue-typevalues
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"To foster interoperability, implementers are strongly encouraged not to rely on these mappings and to implement the ITS 2.0 quality types natively."
12:22:27 [chriLi]
Felix: Mapping for LocQualityType page has been adapted.
12:22:56 [fsasaki]
https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/495
12:23:34 [chriLi]
Felix: Arle will add version information for the LocQualityType.
12:23:53 [chriLi]
Felix: Not sure if a general note would be adequate.
12:24:42 [chriLi]
.. translate, and textAnalysis may not lend themselves to be covered natively by ITS
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.. mapping might be a better choice
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.. Example: using RDFa with Search Engines is better than using ITS natively (due to the support of RDFa in Search Engine)
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topic: Importance of normalization
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http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#its2-and-unicode-normalization
12:26:51 [chriLi]
ChriLi: OK not to have a general set of remarks for all mappings
12:27:17 [fsasaki]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-charmod-norm-20120501/#sec-NormalizingTranscoder
12:27:33 [chriLi]
Felix: Mini section expresses guidance to use normalization forms
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.. based on feedback from I18N core
12:28:05 [fsasaki]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013Apr/0021.html
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scribe: fsasaki
12:29:22 [fsasaki]
christian: wondering how far normalization is addressed in XLIFF
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.. we want to ensure that we know how to go from ITS to XLIFF
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.. or "via" ITS to XLIFF
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.. knowing in advance which normalization approaches are recommended in both worlds would help
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.. heard that the XLIFF 2.0 spec will be sent out soon and that it addresses normalization
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.. davidF may have been able to talk about this
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scribe: chriLi
12:31:00 [chriLi]
s/that it address/that it possibly addresses normalization/
12:32:11 [chriLi]
Pnietoca: David had an action item to draft a spec. David only provided an example.
12:32:26 [Yves_]
Sorry: I have not followed the discussion about normalization in XLIFF 2.0. I think that discussion is related to some validation module.
12:32:33 [chriLi]
.. unsure whether the example included something related to normalization.
12:33:05 [Yves_]
sure
12:33:09 [pnietoca]
Christian the one that was talking was Phil not me :)
12:33:23 [chriLi]
Felix: Yves, could you take an action to check XLIFF 2.0 normalization?
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action: yves to check normalization in XLIFF2 and see wehtehr it relates to ITS2
12:33:33 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-499 - Check normalization in XLIFF2 and see wehtehr it relates to ITS2 [on Yves Savourel - due 2013-05-01].
12:33:38 [chriLi]
s/Pnietoca/Phil/
12:33:45 [pnietoca]
but Phil is not on IRC just on the phone
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topic: XLIFF mapping
12:34:06 [Yves_]
not much changes so far
12:34:28 [Yves_]
there are still a few data cat that need to be resolved
12:34:52 [chriLi]
Felix: Yves, any thoughts on stability of the mapping?
12:34:58 [Yves_]
probably only XLIFF-related issues.
12:35:20 [chriLi]
.. Should the mapping discussion moved back to the mainstream WG discussion?
12:35:22 [Yves_]
yes that should be enough
12:35:48 [Yves_]
I hope the same
12:35:57 [chriLi]
.. Dave was hoping to stabilize by Bled f2f
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topic: Ontology
12:36:24 [chriLi]
Felix: Stabilization of ITS2XILFF mapping by Bled f2f seems feasible
12:36:44 [fsasaki]
http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/rdf#taIdentRef
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http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/rdf-content/its-rdf.rdf
12:37:13 [chriLi]
Felix: Dave, Felix and Sebastian create RDF representation of ITS data categories
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http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/rdf#translate
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.. Example: translate
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http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its/rdf-content/its-rdf.rdf
12:38:26 [chriLi]
Felix: Link explains how ontology can be using NIF context
12:38:36 [chriLi]
.. nothing normative either
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.. plan also to stabilize by Bled f2f
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scribe: fsasaki
12:39:15 [fsasaki]
christian: so far the ontology itself or parts of it
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.. are these already part of the usage scenarios that have been implemented?
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scribe: chriLi
12:40:05 [chriLi]
Felix: So far no one has yet used the ontology.
12:40:23 [chriLi]
.. Good idea to include something in the usage scenarios
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.. Sebastian is working on use in dbpedia spotlight
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scribe: fsasaki
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scribe: fsasaki
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action: christian to take ITS ontology and NIF conversion into account for the next update of the usage scenarios document - due 2013-05-15
12:42:32 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-500 - take ITS ontology and NIF conversion into account for the next update of the usage scenarios document [on Christian Lieske - due 2013-05-15].
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scribe: chriLi
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topic: Meeting schedule
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http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/EventSchedule
12:44:08 [chriLi]
Felix: Some dates and locations still have to be fixed
12:44:39 [chriLi]
.. It might be a good idea to combine meetings with outreach (for leveraging efforts)
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.. Please share possibilities for doing this.
12:45:46 [chriLi]
Phil: I submitted a couple of papers (LocWorld, MT Summit) and have talked to a couple of customers. Planning to spread word in customer base.
12:46:10 [chriLi]
Felix: We have promised big events in the project.
12:46:34 [Ankit]
There is a Projects Village (part of MT Summit).. perhaps MLW-LT as a group can have a stand there?.. just a suggestion
12:46:59 [Ankit]
http://www.mtsummit2013.info/projects_village.asp
12:47:46 [chriLi]
Pedro: I thought Rome event was big enough. Possibly we can have multiple smaller events rather than an additional big one.
12:49:35 [chriLi]
Pedro: We may want to think about the live for ITS 2.0 after the rec has been published.
12:49:52 [chriLi]
s/live/life/
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present+ pedro
12:50:29 [chriLi]
Felix: Of course, we will ensure that we can consult, give guidance
12:50:57 [chriLi]
.. Possibly: Include pointers to Wiki, mailing lists in presentations
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topic: its logo
12:51:42 [chriLi]
Felix: Project partners already discussed
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.. Pedro already made a proposal
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.. Are people eager to have a logo.
12:52:22 [chriLi]
Phil: Good idea
12:52:55 [chriLi]
Pedro: I can sent around the proposal. However, we may want to have something that is not tied to MLW.
12:54:05 [chriLi]
.. Possibly could be used on Web pages/sites to signal "ITS enabled".
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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present- pedro
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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regrets- ankit
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: yves to make edit for issue-67 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0170.html [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-irc#T12-11-31
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ACTION: felix to do edits related to HTML defaults , see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Apr/0139.html [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-irc#T12-16-30
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ACTION: felix to install the mappings in the IG wiki [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-irc#T12-19-44
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ACTION: yves to check normalization in XLIFF2 and see wehtehr it relates to ITS2 [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-irc#T12-33-33
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ACTION: christian to take ITS ontology and NIF conversion into account for the next update of the usage scenarios document - due 2013-05-15 [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/24-mlw-lt-irc#T12-42-32