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13:43:48 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
13:43:48 <trackbot> Date: 19 April 2013
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13:54:48 <Judy> agenda?
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13:56:03 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
13:56:03 <trackbot> Date: 19 April 2013
13:56:17 <Judy> Chair: Mike_Pluke
13:56:39 <Judy> agenda+ Discuss the 'Survey on WCAG2ICT Conformance Note Proposal' survey [2] (I’ve re-opened it)
13:56:39 <Judy> agenda+ Discuss the 'Glossary of Terms - Part 5' survey [3]
13:56:39 <Judy> agenda+ Action items [4] review/status
13:56:39 <Judy> agenda+ confirming next meetings
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13:59:54 <andisnow> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:59:54 <Zakim> I notice WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has restarted
13:59:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Judy, Andi_Snow_Weaver
14:00:28 <Judy> chair: Andi
14:00:29 <andisnow> chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver
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14:00:42 <Zakim> +??P20
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14:00:51 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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14:00:55 <Zakim> +??P21
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14:01:25 <Zakim> +??P24
14:01:26 <Judy> Judy has left #wcag2ict
14:01:44 <Loic> Zakim, ??P24 is me
14:01:44 <Zakim> +Loic; got it
14:01:57 <Zakim> + +1.510.334.aaaa
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14:02:11 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
14:02:12 <janina> zakim, ??P24 is Janina_Sajka
14:02:12 <Zakim> I already had ??P24 as Loic, janina
14:02:28 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:02:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andi_Snow_Weaver, ??P20, [Microsoft], ??P21, Loic, +1.510.334.aaaa, Gregg_Vanderheiden
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14:03:00 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
14:03:31 <andisnow> zakim, [Microsoft] has Alex_Li
14:03:31 <Zakim> +Alex_Li; got it
14:04:34 <andisnow> zakim, ??21 is Janina_Sajka
14:04:34 <Zakim> sorry, andisnow, I do not recognize a party named '??21'
14:04:47 <andisnow> zakim, ??P21 is Janina_Sajka
14:04:47 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
14:04:50 <Zakim> - +1.510.334.aaaa
14:04:59 <Zakim> +Mary_Jo_Mueller
14:05:04 <Zakim> + +1.510.334.aabb
14:05:07 <Mike_P_> zakim, ??20 is Mike
14:05:07 <Zakim> sorry, Mike_P_, I do not recognize a party named '??20'
14:05:16 <andisnow> scribe: Mary_Jo_Mueller
14:05:31 <Mike_P_> zakim, ??P20 is Mike
14:05:31 <Zakim> +Mike; got it
14:05:33 <andisnow> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:05:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andi_Snow_Weaver, Mike, [Microsoft], Janina_Sajka, Loic, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Bruce_Bailey, Mary_Jo_Mueller, +1.510.334.aabb
14:05:35 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has Alex_Li
14:06:04 <andisnow> zakim, +1.510.334.aabb is Peter_Korn
14:06:04 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
14:06:30 <andisnow> zakim, next item
14:06:30 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Discuss the 'Survey on WCAG2ICT Conformance Note Proposal' survey [2] (I’ve re-opened it)" taken up [from Judy]
14:07:21 <andisnow> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/20130404/results
14:08:26 <MaryJo> Proposal was made to remove sentence about the conformance model.
14:08:29 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:08:55 <andisnow> zakim, ??P20 is Mike_Pluke
14:08:55 <Zakim> I already had ??P20 as Mike, andisnow
14:09:16 <Mike_P_> q-
14:09:25 <andisnow> ack ??
14:10:24 <andisnow> ack gregg
14:10:46 <Zakim> +[Oracle]
14:10:48 <Zakim> -Peter_Korn
14:11:07 <greggvanderheiden> q+
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14:11:14 <korn> Zakim, who is here?
14:11:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andi_Snow_Weaver, Mike, [Microsoft], Janina_Sajka, Loic, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Bruce_Bailey, Mary_Jo_Mueller, [Oracle]
14:11:16 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has Alex_Li
14:11:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see korn, greggvanderheiden, Mike_P_, alex_, MaryJo, Loic, janina, andisnow, Zakim, RRSAgent, MichaelC, trackbot
14:11:21 <korn> Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn
14:11:21 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
14:13:08 <korn> q?
14:13:11 <korn> q+
14:13:25 <andisnow> ack gregg
14:15:01 <andisnow> This document is purely an informative document. Since it is not itself a standard, one cannot conform to it.
14:15:46 <greggvanderheiden> Finally we repeat here that WCAG2ICT is a NOTE not a RECOMMENDATION or STANDARD therefore one cannot conform to WCAG2ICT].
14:15:49 <Mike_P_> +1
14:17:23 <korn> q+
14:18:08 <andisnow> ack korn
14:19:29 <MaryJo> Suggestions made to move the section for comments on conformance moved earlier in the document or covered as a sub-section in the introduction.
14:19:56 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:20:06 <MaryJo> Include a bullet in "Excluded from scope" list in the introduction
14:20:09 <andisnow> ack gregg
14:20:41 <Mike_P_> +1
14:21:13 <MaryJo> The rest of the text will go into the existing 'Comments on Conformance' section.
14:26:54 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
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14:29:49 <korn> q+
14:29:51 <andisnow> q?
14:30:55 <MaryJo> Any use of 'SC' should be spelled out as 'Success Criteria' in our document.
14:31:16 <andisnow> This then led to our developing the concept of a 'set of software programs', instances of which appear to be extremely rare compared to instances of a set of web pages.
14:35:16 <MaryJo> The agreed upon changes concerning the conformance notes will be put into the wiki where we are listing all of the updates to our document.
14:35:28 <greggvanderheiden> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/c---conformance-all?pli=1
14:39:51 <andisnow> We therefore find that we do not have a document that needs a conformance section
14:40:31 <greggvanderheiden> Finally we repeat here that WCAG2ICT is a NOTE not a RECOMMENDATION or STANDARD therefore one cannot conform to WCAG2ICT].
14:40:43 <korn> See https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/c---conformance-all
14:42:26 <andisnow> Finally we repeat here that WCAG2ICT is a NOTE not a RECOMMENDATION or STANDARD therefore non-web ICT cannot conform to WCAG2ICT
14:52:23 <janina> E-Champaigne all around!
14:52:36 <MaryJo> RESOLUTION: Accept edits concerning conformance as documented in the wiki.
14:52:51 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
14:52:51 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MaryJo
14:52:54 <korn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/glossary5/results
14:53:04 <MaryJo> q?
14:53:06 <andisnow> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/glossary5/results
14:53:28 <andisnow> ack korn
14:53:28 <korn> q-
14:53:29 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
14:53:34 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
14:53:34 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Discuss the 'Glossary of Terms - Part 5' survey" taken up [from 3]
14:53:39 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
14:54:41 <MaryJo> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/glossary5/results#xq6
14:56:24 <MaryJo> RESOLUTION: Accept definition of "blocks of text", "context sensitive help", and "section" using edits proposed by Peter in the survey.
14:57:30 <korn> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/glossary-edits-post-2nd-public-draft
14:57:31 <MaryJo> s/definition of/proposal for/
14:58:33 <MaryJo> Assistive technology - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/glossary5/results#xq1
14:58:58 <Mike_P_> q+
14:59:05 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
14:59:29 <Zakim> + +1.608.514.aacc
15:00:17 <korn> q+
15:00:33 <andisnow> q+
15:01:04 <MaryJo> The term 'user agent' doesn't work well for command line interfaces, and when we addres that issue it might fix the problem in this case as well.
15:01:11 <Loic> q+
15:01:59 <andisnow> q-
15:02:17 <MaryJo> We do provide an interpretation for the definition of 'user agent', so we can modify it.
15:02:37 <korn> q-
15:02:51 <korn> q+
15:03:56 <andisnow> ack mike
15:05:02 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:05:03 <Mike_P_> q+
15:05:49 <andisnow> ack loic
15:05:57 <MaryJo> WCAG 2.0 changed the software definition of 'AT' to be linked to a 'user agent'.
15:06:07 <andisnow> ack korn
15:06:34 <greggvanderheiden> applies as written replacing  "user agent" with "user agent or software"
15:06:52 <korn> q-
15:06:55 <andisnow> ack gregg
15:08:49 <korn> q+
15:08:54 <andisnow> so it would then read "hardware and/or software that acts as a user agent, or along with a mainstream user agent OR SOFTWARE, to provide functionality to meet the requirements of users with disabilities that go beyond those offered by mainstream user agents"
15:08:55 <Loic> q+
15:09:02 <andisnow> ack mike
15:09:17 <greggvanderheiden> applies as written replacing  "user agent" with "user agent or software" (except for the first occurrence of 'user agent" in the definition).
15:10:38 <andisnow> applies as written replacing "with a mainstream user agent" with "with a mainstream user agent or software"
15:10:51 <andisnow> ack korn
15:10:53 <Mike_P_> q+
15:10:56 <greggvanderheiden> +1 to peter's comment   "(as used in this document)"
15:11:16 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:11:18 <andisnow> ack loic
15:11:35 <greggvanderheiden> the suggestion was not for GLOBAL but just in the definition
15:12:01 <andisnow> ack mike
15:13:15 <MaryJo> The Intent sections of many SC's use the term 'user agent' and this is a non-existent concept in software.
15:14:19 <greggvanderheiden> applies as written replacing "with a mainstream user agent" with "with a mainstream user agent or software" in the definition and adding "(as used in this document) after the definition title.
15:14:54 <Mike_P_> q+
15:15:00 <Loic> q+
15:15:03 <andisnow> ack gregg
15:15:32 <andisnow> ack mike
15:16:59 <Loic> q-
15:16:59 <korn> q+
15:17:18 <greggvanderheiden> hardware and/or software that acts stand-alone, or along with a mainstream user agent, to provide functionality to meet the requirements of users with disabilities that go beyond those offered by mainstream ICT.
15:17:38 <Mike_P_> +1
15:17:52 <Mike_P_> q+
15:17:52 <greggvanderheiden> hardware and/or software that acts stand-alone, or along with a mainstream ICT, to provide functionality to meet the requirements of users with disabilities that go beyond those offered by mainstream ICT
15:18:23 <greggvanderheiden> Note 2: Assistive technologies often communicate data and messages with mainstream ICT by using and monitoring APIs.
15:19:37 <greggvanderheiden> Note 3: The distinction between mainstream ICT and assistive technologies is not absolute. Many mainstream ICT provide some features to assist individuals with disabilities. The basic difference is that mainstream ICT target broad and diverse audiences that usually include people with and without disabilities. Assistive technologies target narrowly defined populations of users with specific disabilities. The assistance provided by an
15:19:38 <greggvanderheiden> assistive technology is more specific and appropriate to the needs of its target users. The mainstream ICT may provide important functionality to assistive technologies like retrieving Web content from program objects or parsing markup into identifiable bundles.
15:20:54 <Mike_P_> +10
15:21:35 <greggvanderheiden> applies as written replacing "with a mainstream user agent" with "with a mainstream ICT"  replacing the remaining "user agent" with "stand-alone" in the definition and adding "(as used in this document) after the definition title.
15:22:01 <greggvanderheiden> applies as written replacing "mainstream user agent" with "mainstream ICT"  replacing the remaining "user agent" with "stand-alone" in the definition and adding "(as used in this document) after the definition title.
15:22:38 <greggvanderheiden> applies as written replacing "mainstream user agent" with "mainstream ICT"  and replacing  "acts as a user agent" with "acts stand-alone" in the definition and adding "(as used in this document) after the definition title
15:23:59 <korn> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/glossary-edits-post-2nd-public-draft
15:25:29 <Mike_P_> q+
15:26:05 <andisnow> ack korn
15:31:59 <andisnow> ack mike
15:32:09 <Mike_P_> q-
15:32:41 <MaryJo> RESOLUTION: Accept the definition of assistive technology as amended.
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15:36:19 <MaryJo> zakim, bye
15:36:19 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Judy, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Loic, +1.510.334.aaaa, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Bruce_Bailey, Alex_Li, Janina_Sajka, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Mike,
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15:36:26 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
15:36:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/19-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo
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15:48:16 <MaryJo> scribenick: MaryJo
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