IRC log of wcag2ict on 2013-04-19

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Zakim, this will be 2428

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Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 19 April 2013

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agenda?

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+Judy

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trackbot, start meeting

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Zakim, this will be 2428

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

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Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 19 April 2013

13:56:17 [Judy]

Chair: Mike_Pluke

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agenda+ Discuss the 'Survey on WCAG2ICT Conformance Note Proposal' survey [2] (I’ve re-opened it)

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agenda+ Discuss the 'Glossary of Terms - Part 5' survey [3]

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agenda+ Action items [4] review/status

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agenda+ confirming next meetings

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zakim, who is on the phone?

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I notice WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has restarted

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On the phone I see Judy, Andi_Snow_Weaver

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chair: Andi

14:00:29 [andisnow]

chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver

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+??P20

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+[Microsoft]

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+??P21

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-Judy

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+??P24

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Zakim, ??P24 is me

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+Loic; got it

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+ +1.510.334.aaaa

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+Gregg_Vanderheiden

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zakim, ??P24 is Janina_Sajka

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I already had ??P24 as Loic, janina

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zakim, who's on the phone?

14:02:28 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Andi_Snow_Weaver, ??P20, [Microsoft], ??P21, Loic, +1.510.334.aaaa, Gregg_Vanderheiden

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+Bruce_Bailey

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zakim, [Microsoft] has Alex_Li

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+Alex_Li; got it

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zakim, ??21 is Janina_Sajka

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sorry, andisnow, I do not recognize a party named '??21'

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zakim, ??P21 is Janina_Sajka

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+Janina_Sajka; got it

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- +1.510.334.aaaa

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+Mary_Jo_Mueller

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+ +1.510.334.aabb

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zakim, ??20 is Mike

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sorry, Mike_P_, I do not recognize a party named '??20'

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scribe: Mary_Jo_Mueller

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zakim, ??P20 is Mike

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+Mike; got it

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zakim, who is on the phone?

14:05:33 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Andi_Snow_Weaver, Mike, [Microsoft], Janina_Sajka, Loic, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Bruce_Bailey, Mary_Jo_Mueller, +1.510.334.aabb

14:05:35 [Zakim]

[Microsoft] has Alex_Li

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zakim, +1.510.334.aabb is Peter_Korn

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+Peter_Korn; got it

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zakim, next item

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agendum 1. "Discuss the 'Survey on WCAG2ICT Conformance Note Proposal' survey [2] (I’ve re-opened it)" taken up [from Judy]

14:07:21 [andisnow]

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/20130404/results

14:08:26 [MaryJo]

Proposal was made to remove sentence about the conformance model.

14:08:29 [greggvanderheiden]

q+

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zakim, ??P20 is Mike_Pluke

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I already had ??P20 as Mike, andisnow

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q-

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ack ??

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ack gregg

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+[Oracle]

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-Peter_Korn

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q+

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Zakim, who is here?

14:11:14 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Andi_Snow_Weaver, Mike, [Microsoft], Janina_Sajka, Loic, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Bruce_Bailey, Mary_Jo_Mueller, [Oracle]

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[Microsoft] has Alex_Li

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On IRC I see korn, greggvanderheiden, Mike_P_, alex_, MaryJo, Loic, janina, andisnow, Zakim, RRSAgent, MichaelC, trackbot

14:11:21 [korn]

Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn

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+Peter_Korn; got it

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q?

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q+

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ack gregg

14:15:01 [andisnow]

This document is purely an informative document. Since it is not itself a standard, one cannot conform to it.

14:15:46 [greggvanderheiden]

Finally we repeat here that WCAG2ICT is a NOTE not a RECOMMENDATION or STANDARD therefore one cannot conform to WCAG2ICT].

14:15:49 [Mike_P_]

+1

14:17:23 [korn]

q+

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ack korn

14:19:29 [MaryJo]

Suggestions made to move the section for comments on conformance moved earlier in the document or covered as a sub-section in the introduction.

14:19:56 [greggvanderheiden]

q+

14:20:06 [MaryJo]

Include a bullet in "Excluded from scope" list in the introduction

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ack gregg

14:20:41 [Mike_P_]

+1

14:21:13 [MaryJo]

The rest of the text will go into the existing 'Comments on Conformance' section.

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+David_MacDonald

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14:29:49 [korn]

q+

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q?

14:30:55 [MaryJo]

Any use of 'SC' should be spelled out as 'Success Criteria' in our document.

14:31:16 [andisnow]

This then led to our developing the concept of a 'set of software programs', instances of which appear to be extremely rare compared to instances of a set of web pages.

14:35:16 [MaryJo]

The agreed upon changes concerning the conformance notes will be put into the wiki where we are listing all of the updates to our document.

14:35:28 [greggvanderheiden]

https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/c---conformance-all?pli=1

14:39:51 [andisnow]

We therefore find that we do not have a document that needs a conformance section

14:40:31 [greggvanderheiden]

Finally we repeat here that WCAG2ICT is a NOTE not a RECOMMENDATION or STANDARD therefore one cannot conform to WCAG2ICT].

14:40:43 [korn]

See https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/c---conformance-all

14:42:26 [andisnow]

Finally we repeat here that WCAG2ICT is a NOTE not a RECOMMENDATION or STANDARD therefore non-web ICT cannot conform to WCAG2ICT

14:52:23 [janina]

E-Champaigne all around!

14:52:36 [MaryJo]

RESOLUTION: Accept edits concerning conformance as documented in the wiki.

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zakim, next item

14:52:51 [Zakim]

I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MaryJo

14:52:54 [korn]

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/glossary5/results

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q?

14:53:06 [andisnow]

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/glossary5/results

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ack korn

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q-

14:53:29 [Zakim]

-Gregg_Vanderheiden

14:53:34 [MaryJo]

zakim, next item

14:53:34 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Discuss the 'Glossary of Terms - Part 5' survey" taken up [from 3]

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+Gregg_Vanderheiden

14:54:41 [MaryJo]

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/glossary5/results#xq6

14:56:24 [MaryJo]

RESOLUTION: Accept definition of "blocks of text", "context sensitive help", and "section" using edits proposed by Peter in the survey.

14:57:30 [korn]

https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/glossary-edits-post-2nd-public-draft

14:57:31 [MaryJo]

s/definition of/proposal for/

14:58:33 [MaryJo]

Assistive technology - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/glossary5/results#xq1

14:58:58 [Mike_P_]

q+

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-Gregg_Vanderheiden

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+ +1.608.514.aacc

15:00:17 [korn]

q+

15:00:33 [andisnow]

q+

15:01:04 [MaryJo]

The term 'user agent' doesn't work well for command line interfaces, and when we addres that issue it might fix the problem in this case as well.

15:01:11 [Loic]

q+

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q-

15:02:17 [MaryJo]

We do provide an interpretation for the definition of 'user agent', so we can modify it.

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q-

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q+

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ack mike

15:05:02 [greggvanderheiden]

q+

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q+

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ack loic

15:05:57 [MaryJo]

WCAG 2.0 changed the software definition of 'AT' to be linked to a 'user agent'.

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ack korn

15:06:34 [greggvanderheiden]

applies as written replacing "user agent" with "user agent or software"

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q-

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ack gregg

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q+

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so it would then read "hardware and/or software that acts as a user agent, or along with a mainstream user agent OR SOFTWARE, to provide functionality to meet the requirements of users with disabilities that go beyond those offered by mainstream user agents"

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q+

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ack mike

15:09:17 [greggvanderheiden]

applies as written replacing "user agent" with "user agent or software" (except for the first occurrence of 'user agent" in the definition).

15:10:38 [andisnow]

applies as written replacing "with a mainstream user agent" with "with a mainstream user agent or software"

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ack korn

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q+

15:10:56 [greggvanderheiden]

+1 to peter's comment "(as used in this document)"

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q+

15:11:18 [andisnow]

ack loic

15:11:35 [greggvanderheiden]

the suggestion was not for GLOBAL but just in the definition

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ack mike

15:13:15 [MaryJo]

The Intent sections of many SC's use the term 'user agent' and this is a non-existent concept in software.

15:14:19 [greggvanderheiden]

applies as written replacing "with a mainstream user agent" with "with a mainstream user agent or software" in the definition and adding "(as used in this document) after the definition title.

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q+

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q+

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ack gregg

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ack mike

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q-

15:16:59 [korn]

q+

15:17:18 [greggvanderheiden]

hardware and/or software that acts stand-alone, or along with a mainstream user agent, to provide functionality to meet the requirements of users with disabilities that go beyond those offered by mainstream ICT.

15:17:38 [Mike_P_]

+1

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q+

15:17:52 [greggvanderheiden]

hardware and/or software that acts stand-alone, or along with a mainstream ICT, to provide functionality to meet the requirements of users with disabilities that go beyond those offered by mainstream ICT

15:18:23 [greggvanderheiden]

Note 2: Assistive technologies often communicate data and messages with mainstream ICT by using and monitoring APIs.

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Note 3: The distinction between mainstream ICT and assistive technologies is not absolute. Many mainstream ICT provide some features to assist individuals with disabilities. The basic difference is that mainstream ICT target broad and diverse audiences that usually include people with and without disabilities. Assistive technologies target narrowly defined populations of users with specific disabilities. The assistance provided by an

15:19:38 [greggvanderheiden]

assistive technology is more specific and appropriate to the needs of its target users. The mainstream ICT may provide important functionality to assistive technologies like retrieving Web content from program objects or parsing markup into identifiable bundles.

15:20:54 [Mike_P_]

+10

15:21:35 [greggvanderheiden]

applies as written replacing "with a mainstream user agent" with "with a mainstream ICT" replacing the remaining "user agent" with "stand-alone" in the definition and adding "(as used in this document) after the definition title.

15:22:01 [greggvanderheiden]

applies as written replacing "mainstream user agent" with "mainstream ICT" replacing the remaining "user agent" with "stand-alone" in the definition and adding "(as used in this document) after the definition title.

15:22:38 [greggvanderheiden]

applies as written replacing "mainstream user agent" with "mainstream ICT" and replacing "acts as a user agent" with "acts stand-alone" in the definition and adding "(as used in this document) after the definition title

15:23:59 [korn]

https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/glossary-edits-post-2nd-public-draft

15:25:29 [Mike_P_]

q+

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ack korn

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ack mike

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q-

15:32:41 [MaryJo]

RESOLUTION: Accept the definition of assistive technology as amended.

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-[Microsoft]

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-[Oracle]

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-Bruce_Bailey

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-Loic

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-Janina_Sajka

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-Mary_Jo_Mueller

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-Andi_Snow_Weaver

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- +1.608.514.aacc

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-Mike

15:36:19 [MaryJo]

zakim, bye

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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Judy, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Loic, +1.510.334.aaaa, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Bruce_Bailey, Alex_Li, Janina_Sajka, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Mike,

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... Peter_Korn, David_MacDonald, +1.608.514.aacc

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/19-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo

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scribenick: MaryJo

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/19-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo

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s/ack ??//

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