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13:59:17 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
13:59:18 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG 2.0 Evaluation Methodology Task Force Teleconference
13:59:18 <trackbot> Date: 18 April 2013
13:59:44 <MartijnHoutepen> agenda?
14:00:09 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM has now started
14:00:18 <Zakim> + +31.30.239.aaaa
14:00:27 <MartijnHoutepen> agenda+ state of comments
14:00:35 <ericvelleman> Zakim, aaaa is me
14:00:35 <Zakim> +ericvelleman; got it
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14:01:06 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, aabb is me
14:01:06 <Zakim> +MartijnHoutepen; got it
14:01:28 <MartijnHoutepen> agenda+ starting of test run
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14:03:00 <MartijnHoutepen> regrets: Shadi, Kathy, Alistair
14:03:28 <Liz> zakim; aadd is Liz
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14:04:41 <MartijnHoutepen> scribeNick: MartijnHoutepen
14:04:56 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, mute me
14:04:57 <Zakim> MartijnHoutepen should now be muted
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14:05:03 <MartijnHoutepen> zakim, take up next
14:05:04 <Zakim> agendum 1. "state of comments" taken up [from MartijnHoutepen]
14:05:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:05:14 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:05:14 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
14:05:14 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: Welcome
14:05:33 <ericvelleman> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-em-comments/>
14:05:49 <Zakim> + +49.404.318.aaee
14:06:06 <ericvelleman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag-em-comments/
14:06:13 <Detlev> Zakim, aaee is Detlev
14:06:13 <Zakim> +Detlev; got it
14:06:25 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: valuable comments, 7 sofar
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14:06:54 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: We will start making a DoC this weekend
14:07:28 <Zakim> + +1.313.322.aaff
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14:07:39 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: some people used WCAG-EM and compared it with their own methods
14:08:12 <Zakim> + +1.517.432.aagg
14:08:22 <ericvelleman> q?
14:08:26 <Vivienne> q+
14:09:36 <MartijnHoutepen> VC: sent WCAG EM to a lot of people, very positive reviews
14:09:41 <MartijnHoutepen> q- viv
14:09:49 <ericvelleman> q?
14:10:07 <Detlev> Zakim, mute me
14:10:07 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
14:10:13 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
14:10:14 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
14:10:41 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: we have to ask people to really try out WCAG-EM
14:11:29 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, aaff is Mike_Elledge
14:11:29 <Zakim> +Mike_Elledge; got it
14:11:40 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, aagg is Sarah_Swierenga
14:11:40 <Zakim> +Sarah_Swierenga; got it
14:11:45 <MartijnHoutepen> zakim, take up next
14:11:45 <Zakim> agendum 2. "starting of test run" taken up [from MartijnHoutepen]
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14:13:40 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: there are a number of websites available for testing
14:13:44 <Vivienne> ack me
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14:14:15 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: library page of large university
14:15:05 <MartijnHoutepen> VC: they agree to being used as test case, one question: memorandum of understanding on the use of test-data
14:15:26 <Zakim> +[Oracle]
14:15:35 <korn> Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn
14:15:35 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
14:15:40 <Zakim> - +1.510.334.aacc
14:16:10 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: Moe has another website we can use
14:16:28 <MartijnHoutepen> MK: a subset of a very big corporate website
14:16:58 <MartijnHoutepen> peter, would you mind taking over?
14:16:59 <korn> q+
14:17:21 <ericvelleman> q?
14:17:38 <MartijnHoutepen> scribeNick: korn
14:19:50 <MartijnHoutepen> ack me
14:19:56 <korn> q-
14:20:25 <MartijnHoutepen> zakim, mute me
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14:21:47 <Detlev> could yOu repeat. mOE
14:22:05 <Detlev> ACK ME
14:22:49 <korn> Plan is to test website via the methodology in stages (not a run of the entire methodology)
14:22:58 <Detlev> Moe, could you please repeat the URL?
14:23:19 <korn> EV: Idea is to do "unit testing" of methodology at this stage
14:23:32 <korn> EV: Also a question from site candidate #1 about a MOU
14:23:58 <korn> Site #2 is a portion of IBM's website
14:24:02 <Detlev> q+
14:24:03 <korn> Site #1 is a library website
14:24:07 <korn> Site #3 is a game website
14:24:32 <ericvelleman> q?
14:24:40 <ericvelleman> Are you muted?
14:24:53 <ericvelleman> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/48225/testrun/results
14:25:20 <Vivienne> q+
14:25:51 <korn> ack D
14:25:57 <korn> q= D
14:26:02 <korn> q- D
14:26:04 <Vivienne> ack me
14:26:19 <Zakim> +Detlev.a
14:26:43 <Detlev> sorry, my connection was lost...
14:26:47 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, Detlev.a is really Detlev
14:26:47 <Zakim> +Detlev; got it
14:27:22 <Detlev> q+
14:30:35 <ericvelleman> q?
14:32:11 <korn> EV: Thoughts on the questionaire?  Using it to gather test results?
14:32:33 <korn> q+
14:32:44 <MartijnHoutepen> q- D
14:33:00 <korn> PK: Is survey certainly not visible to public?
14:33:18 <MartijnHoutepen> i get a login screen
14:33:29 <Liz> q+
14:33:52 <korn> PK: Believe you need to have a W3C login to reach this page
14:34:00 <MartijnHoutepen> tried it in a different browser
14:34:29 <korn> Liz: Confused by survey.  What is being sought in it?
14:34:54 <korn> EV: We aren't really evaluating a website; we are evaluating EvalTF.  Specifically Steps 1-3
14:35:14 <korn> q+
14:35:41 <korn> Liz: Never done this before, so feels she will be a good candidate.  And is a little confused.
14:36:46 <ericvelleman> q?
14:36:48 <korn> PK: It would be helpful to start the questionnaire with an explanation.  Also to add a question about HOW the representative sample was generated (since we don't give guidance on that topic)
14:37:12 <ericvelleman> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/48225/testrun/
14:38:31 <korn> DF: will changes made to the current questionnaire?
14:39:30 <korn> q+
14:39:47 <MartijnHoutepen> q- liz
14:39:52 <MartijnHoutepen> q- ko
14:40:58 <korn> PK: Since survey requires password to view it, so suggests include URL to websites in it.
14:41:05 <korn> EV: Plans to do one survey for each site reviewed.
14:41:12 <Sarah_Swierenga> +1 on the three questionnaires, one for each site
14:44:06 <korn> DF: Would prefer to have this all in one survey
14:44:35 <korn> EV: Will think about options...  But let us first focus on the survey we have, which has info about game site
14:45:19 <korn> EV: Any other thoughts on the way we are doing this, the questions we have?
14:45:26 <korn> q+
14:46:21 <Vivienne> q+
14:46:24 <korn> q-
14:46:29 <Mike_Elledge> +1 for one questionnaire per survey
14:46:30 <Vivienne> ack me
14:47:32 <Vivienne> ack me
14:47:36 <Vivienne> zakim, mute me
14:47:36 <Zakim> Vivienne should now be muted
14:47:58 <korn> EV: In next week, will send out a reminder to the group about the survey - ask everyone to fill this in (at least the volunteers).
14:48:15 <korn> EV: Then discuss differences in WBS system (or mailing list without any URL reference to the site)
14:48:38 <MartijnHoutepen> yes
14:49:24 <Mike_Elledge> q+
14:49:43 <korn> ME: Which URLs will we be testing?  Sent to list?
14:49:52 <korn> EV: No, will not go to list.  Will be in WBS questionnaires.
14:51:31 <korn> EV: Will work on an MOU for the other two websites, so we can work on those too.
14:51:49 <MartijnHoutepen> ack me
14:52:25 <ericvelleman> q?
14:52:27 <MartijnHoutepen> q- mike
14:52:32 <Vivienne> good night all
14:52:38 <Zakim> -Mike_Elledge
14:52:39 <Zakim> -Detlev.aa
14:52:40 <Zakim> -Sarah_Swierenga
14:52:40 <Zakim> -[Oracle]
14:52:42 <MartijnHoutepen> trackbot, end meeting
14:52:42 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:52:42 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +31.30.239.aaaa, ericvelleman, +31.30.239.aabb, MartijnHoutepen, +1.510.334.aacc, +1.301.975.aadd, Vivienne, +49.404.318.aaee, Detlev,
14:52:43 <Liz> bye
14:52:45 <Zakim> ... +1.313.322.aaff, +1.517.432.aagg, Mike_Elledge, Sarah_Swierenga, MoeKraft, Peter_Korn
14:52:45 <Zakim> -Vivienne
14:52:45 <Zakim> -ericvelleman
14:52:49 <Zakim> -MoeKraft
14:52:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:52:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/18-eval-minutes.html trackbot
14:52:50 <Zakim> - +1.301.975.aadd
14:52:51 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:52:51 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
14:52:52 <Zakim> -MartijnHoutepen