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17:00:32 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
17:00:32 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)1:00PM scheduled to start now
17:00:33 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
17:00:33 <trackbot> Date: 18 April 2013
17:01:04 <clown> agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Apr/0015.html
17:01:45 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)1:00PM has now started
17:01:52 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
17:02:03 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:03 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
17:02:08 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:08 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:19 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
17:02:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/18-aapi-minutes.html clown
17:02:38 <clown> rrsagent, make log public
17:02:54 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhamemr
17:03:02 <clown> chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:03:17 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
17:03:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/18-aapi-minutes.html clown
17:05:03 <Zakim> + +1.416.485.aaaa
17:14:08 <clown> topic: UAIG default values for author errors
17:14:13 <clown> issue-566?
17:14:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-566 -- Inconsistency between Spec's required states/properties for certain roles and UAIG's error handling of those roles/states/properties -- open
17:14:14 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/566
17:16:35 <clown> JS:  discussed at Mon meeting.
17:17:03 <clown> JS: discussion switched to should browsers do anything to fix author errors.
17:17:15 <clown> DB:  well, browsers have to do something.
17:17:34 <clown> JS:  end result : remove the detaults table.
17:20:58 <clown> DB:  remove the defaults table is okay, but keep it in some incubator
17:23:18 <clown> DB:  notes that author could also supply aria-checked='false' when it is checkd.
17:24:54 <clown> DB:  email James for his opinion.
17:27:58 <clown> DB:  I may be able to attend the f2f next Wed for an hour.
17:28:30 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#document-handling_author-errors
17:30:07 <clown> topic:  Add STATE_SELECTABLE to AT-SPI cells for aria-selected?
17:30:13 <clown> action-1184?
17:30:13 <trackbot> ACTION-1184 -- David Bolter to add STATE_SELECTABLE to AT-SPI cells for aria-selected -- due 2013-03-28 -- OPEN
17:30:13 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1184
17:32:02 <clown> DB:  okay with me.  what about alex?
17:33:53 <clown> resolved:  Add state-selectable for aria-selected in UAIG mapping table.
17:35:01 <clown> topic:  expose listbox of combobox as menu?
17:35:05 <clown> ACTION-1183?
17:35:05 <trackbot> ACTION-1183 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to check UAIG for mapping a listbox to a menu when in a combobox. Also, fix this in test case 771 to reflect change. -- due 2013-03-25 -- OPEN
17:35:05 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1183
17:35:50 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table
17:36:50 <clown> test file: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA/1.0/tests/test-files/roles-plain-concrete/roles-plain-concrete-listbox-parent-combobox.html
17:45:28 <clown> DB:  for this "owns" case, accprobe sees a listbox.
17:45:49 <clown> JS:  accerciser is reporting a list with listitems — a list box.
17:46:09 <clown> DB:  what if the listbox is a child and not just owned?
17:50:55 <clown> JS:  if it is a direct child, accerciser is showing a menu.
17:54:27 <clown> JS:  so, it looks like FF does different things if the listbox is owned vs. an actual child.
17:54:34 <clown> JS: on linux.
17:57:33 <clown> DB:  checking on windows.
17:57:39 <clown> rrsagent:  make minutes
17:57:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/18-aapi-minutes.html clown
17:59:26 <clown> s/expose listbox of combobox as menu/Expose listbox of combobox as menu/
17:59:32 <clown> DB:  it's a listbox.
17:59:58 <clown> DB:  I think it's only linux.  Remove it from the far left.
18:00:02 <clown> JS:  Okay with me.
18:01:00 <clown> resolved:  remove "If child of or owned by a http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/roles#combobox, expose as menu" from role listbox roles table.
18:01:28 <davidb> I seem to recall this is a linux only special case.
18:02:55 <Zakim> - +1.416.485.aaaa
18:03:05 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes.
18:03:05 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes.', clown.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
18:03:21 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
18:03:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/18-aapi-minutes.html clown
18:04:19 <clown> s/from role listbox roles table/from role listbox roles table, leftmost column/
18:04:21 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
18:04:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/18-aapi-minutes.html clown
18:04:39 <clown> present:  David_Bolter
18:04:55 <clown> regrets:  Cynthia_Shelly
18:04:58 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
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18:06:13 <clown> zakim, please part
18:06:13 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, +1.416.485.aaaa
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18:06:36 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
18:06:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/18-aapi-minutes.html clown
18:07:25 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:07:29 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
18:07:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/18-aapi-minutes.html clown
18:07:50 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:07:55 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
18:07:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/18-aapi-minutes.html clown
18:08:57 <clown> Chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:08:59 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
18:08:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/18-aapi-minutes.html clown
18:09:25 <clown> s/Scheuhamemr/Scheuhammer/
18:09:28 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
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18:23:47 <clown> rrsagent, please part
18:23:47 <RRSAgent> I see no action items