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14:02:10 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:02:10 <trackbot> Date: 12 April 2013
14:02:17 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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14:04:38 <andisnow> scribe: Andi_Snow-Weaver
14:04:45 <andisnow> scribenick: andisnow
14:04:52 <korn> Zakim, who is here?
14:04:52 <Zakim> sorry, korn, I don't know what conference this is
14:04:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see korn, MaryJo, andisnow, David, Zakim, RRSAgent, greggvanderheiden, alex_, Mike_P, Loic, BBailey, Judy, shadi, MichaelC, trackbot
14:05:04 <korn> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:05:04 <Zakim> sorry, korn, I don't know what conference this is
14:05:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see korn, MaryJo, andisnow, David, Zakim, RRSAgent, greggvanderheiden, alex_, Mike_P, Loic, BBailey, Judy, shadi, MichaelC, trackbot
14:05:10 <andisnow> agenda+ Discuss the 'WCAG2ICT approach to applying level AAA to non-Web ICT + Use of "content' survey
14:05:27 <andisnow> agenda+ Discuss the 'Survey on TF Resolution language on comparison of "Set of" SCs with M376 treatment' survey
14:05:40 <andisnow> agenda+ priorities for remaining items to address
14:05:53 <andisnow> agenda+ confirming next meetings
14:06:01 <andisnow> zakim, next item
14:06:01 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Discuss the 'WCAG2ICT approach to applying level AAA to non-Web ICT + Use of "content' survey" taken up [from andisnow]
14:06:17 <andisnow> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/20130406/results
14:06:59 <andisnow> topic: WCAG2ICT Task Force Agreement Related to Level AAA SCs
14:07:41 <andisnow> Rationale provided in the survey question is just to provide background. This is not the text proposed for the TR introduction.
14:07:48 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:08:58 <andisnow> ack g
14:09:47 <andisnow> WCAG WG has provided no objection to us not providing guidance for AAA SC
14:10:00 <BBailey> q+ to suggest expanding on "cost benefit analysis"
14:11:22 <andisnow> s/WCAG WG has provided no objection to us not providing guidance for AAA SC/Although we have not submitted anything formal to the WCAG WG yet, they have been told of our intent and have provided no objection to us not providing guidance for AAA SC./
14:11:51 <Mike_P> The WCAG2ICT Task Force has, after careful consideration, agreed that it will not provide guidance on the application of level AAA SCs to non-Web documents and software
14:13:12 <andisnow> RESOLUTION: The WCAG2ICT Task Force has, after careful consideration, agreed that it will not provide guidance on the application of level AAA SCs to non-Web documents and software.
14:14:36 <andisnow> topic: 2.2.1 - change "the content" to "non-web documents and software" (related to M376 ** Documents ** section)
14:15:46 <andisnow> q+
14:16:00 <andisnow> ack b
14:16:00 <Zakim> BBailey, you wanted to suggest expanding on "cost benefit analysis"
14:17:08 <korn> q+
14:17:20 <andisnow> We will need to report to the WCAG WG our decision not to provide guidance on the AAA SC.
14:18:25 <andisnow> q-
14:19:27 <korn> q?
14:20:17 <andisnow> ack k
14:22:22 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:23:14 <greggvanderheiden> q-
14:24:33 <BBailey> +1 to combine resolutions
14:24:45 <andisnow> RESOLUTION: Accept proposals for 2.2.1 as written for both documents and software
14:28:19 <korn> q+
14:28:32 <andisnow> For next draft, we need to make sure all changes we have agreed to are captured clearly for Michael
14:30:46 <andisnow> The Google site is slightly out of sync with the published document now. Work should now move to W3C space.
14:31:41 <greggvanderheiden> q+
14:31:48 <andisnow> action: Peter to collect all of the changes agreed to since last draft
14:31:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-92 - Collect all of the changes agreed to since last draft [on Peter Korn - due 2013-04-19].
14:32:13 <andisnow> should have a meeting to review all of the changes - would be good if Michael could attend
14:32:16 <andisnow> ack k
14:32:25 <korn> q-
14:32:30 <andisnow> ack g
14:33:36 <Judy> q+
14:33:52 <Judy> q+ to make a counter-counter-counter suggestion
14:34:56 <korn> q+
14:35:11 <andisnow> ack j
14:35:11 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to make a counter-counter-counter suggestion
14:35:14 <andisnow> q+
14:35:34 <korn> q-
14:36:09 <andisnow> q-
14:36:49 <andisnow> zakim, next item
14:36:49 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Discuss the 'Survey on TF Resolution language on comparison of "Set of" SCs with M376 treatment' survey" taken up [from andisnow]
14:37:03 <andisnow> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/SetOfCompareResolution/results
14:40:24 <andisnow> topic: TF resolution language for Document SC 2.4.1
14:40:58 <korn> q+
14:42:31 <andisnow> We found that this SC language applies to documents in a set of non-web documents and to software programs in a set of software programs. Our notes reference the important "set of" definitions, are helpful to developers, and encourage developers to consider going beyond the SC in ways that are helpful to people with disabilities.
14:43:30 <BBailey> nice, +1
14:43:36 <korn> M376 draft does not apply this SC to documents.
14:43:36 <korn> No change.
14:43:36 <korn> Rationale: We found that this SC language applies to documents in a set of non-web documents and to software programs in a set of software programs. Our notes reference the important "set of" definitions, are helpful to developers, and encourage developers to consider going beyond the SC in ways that are helpful to people with disabilities.
14:43:36 <korn> - 12Apr13
14:46:32 <andisnow> RESOLUTION: Accept TF resolution language for SC 2.4.1 as amended (Loic's edit, plus Judy's edit from the survey, and Peter's suggestion to change to present tense) for both documents and software
14:48:33 <andisnow> topic: TF resolution language for Document SC 2.4.5
14:48:51 <andisnow> RESOLUTION: Accept TF resolution language for Document SC 2.4.5 as written
14:49:35 <korn> M376 draft does not apply this SC to documents.
14:49:36 <korn> No change.
14:49:36 <korn> Rationale: We found that this SC language applies to documents in a set of non-web documents and to software programs in a set of software programs. Our notes reference the important "set of" definitions, are helpful to developers, and encourage developers to consider going beyond the SC in ways that are helpful to people with disabilities.
14:49:36 <korn> - 12Apr13
14:50:44 <andisnow> RESOLUTION: Accept TF resolution language for SC 3.2.3 as amended (Loic's edit, plus Judy's edit from the survey, and Peter's suggestion to change to present tense) for both documents and software
14:51:24 <andisnow> topic: TF resolution language for Document SC 3.2.4
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14:53:13 <andisnow> - M376 applies this to all "documents" where WCAG2ICT restricts it to "sets of documents". WCAG2ICT also includes two Notes which support the "set of" use.
14:53:14 <andisnow> - No change.
14:53:58 <andisnow> -Rational: Since WCAG applies this requirement only to web pages that are within a set of web pages, we determined that applying it to all documents would be an expansion of the WCAG requirement. Our notes reference the important "set of" definitions, are helpful to developers, and encourage developers to consider going beyond the SC in ways that are helpful to people with disabilities.
14:56:40 <andisnow> RESOLUTION: Accept TF resolution language as amended (Andi's extra first sentence in the rationale) for SC 3.2.4 for both documents and software.
14:57:15 <korn> M376 draft does not apply this SC to software.
14:57:15 <korn> No change.
14:57:15 <korn> Rationale: We found that this SC language applies to documents in a set of non-web documents and to software programs in a set of software programs. Our notes reference the important "set of" definitions, are helpful to developers, and encourage developers to consider going beyond the SC in ways that are helpful to people with disabilities.
14:57:15 <korn> - 12Apr13
14:57:54 <andisnow> topic: TF resolution language for Software SC 2.4.5
14:58:23 <andisnow> RESOLUTION: Accept TF resolution language for software SC 2.4.5 as amended
14:58:28 <greggvanderheiden> 1.1.1   Remove "or appropriate" from the RATIONALE
14:58:28 <greggvanderheiden> 2.2.2   add  "of the success criterion" after  "...Note 2"
14:59:24 <korn> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/cross-cutting-issues-and-notes/comparison-to-m376
15:02:08 <andisnow> topic: WCAG WG editorial changes for 1.1.1 and 2.2.2
15:02:34 <korn> M376 draft doesn't include the last sentence of Note 1 that begins "If they do not appear..."
15:02:35 <korn> RESOLUTION: remove the last sentence of note #1, that begins "If they do not appear..."
15:02:35 <korn> Rationale: this sentence isn't needed.
15:02:35 <korn> -15Mar13; updated 12Apr13 with change from WCAG WG
15:03:15 <korn> M376 draft changed the term "content" to "document" in their section 10 "Documents" (elsewhere they kept "content"). 
15:03:15 <korn> RESOLUTION: WCAG2ICT shall change "the content" to "non-web documents and software" in 2.2.1.
15:03:15 <korn> Rationale: Unlike elsewhere that we have retained content, using "non-web documents and software" here significantly adds clarity.
15:03:15 <korn> -12Apr13
15:03:32 <korn> M376 draft replaces "page" and "Web page" with "document" in Note 2 of the success criterion.
15:03:32 <korn> RESOLUTION: Change first paragraph of our guidance to say  "This applies directly as written, and as described in INTENT from Understanding WCAG 2.0 (above)" replacing "page" and "Web page" with "non-web documents and software' in Note 2 of the success criterion.
15:03:32 <korn> Rationale: we missed making this change.
15:03:32 <korn> -22Feb13; updated 12Apr13 with change from WCAG WG
15:03:44 <korn> 1.1.1. Software:
15:03:45 <korn> Same as above in Documents.
15:03:45 <korn> RESOLUTION: remove the last sentence of note #1, that begins "If they do not appear..."
15:03:45 <korn> -15Mar13; updated 12Apr13 with change from WCAG WG.
15:03:53 <andisnow> RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG WG edit to 1.1.1
15:04:03 <korn> 2.2.2 software:
15:04:03 <korn> Same as above in Documents.
15:04:04 <korn> RESOLUTION: Change first paragraph of our guidance to say  "This applies directly as written, and as described in INTENT from Understanding WCAG 2.0 (above)" replacing "page" and "Web page" with "non-web documents and software in Note 2 of the success criterion.
15:04:04 <korn> -15Mar13; updated 12Apr13 with change from WCAG WG.
15:04:57 <andisnow> RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG WG edit to 2.2.2 for both documents and software tables.
15:05:11 <greggvanderheiden> The overall result
15:05:11 <greggvanderheiden> For 23 provisions the language was essentially the same  (and no change to WCAG2ICT was made)
15:05:13 <greggvanderheiden> For 10 provisions the language was different but WCAG2ICT stayed with the WCAG2ICT language
15:05:14 <greggvanderheiden> For 5 provisions WCAG2ICT changed its language in some way after reading the M376 language
15:05:15 <greggvanderheiden> (SC 1.1.1,  2.2.1,  2.2.2,   2.4.2,   3.3.4  )
15:05:16 <greggvanderheiden> 1.1.1, 2.2.2, 2.4.2, and 3.3.4  were reviewed by the WCAG working group previously.
15:12:05 <andisnow> q+
15:12:09 <andisnow> ack k
15:12:37 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:13:03 <andisnow> ack a
15:13:40 <andisnow> action: Andi to draft language for SC pages that this is not the latest language and refer to the latest draft
15:13:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - Draft language for SC pages that this is not the latest language and refer to the latest draft [on Andi Snow-Weaver - due 2013-04-19].
15:13:47 <korn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/20130404/results
15:14:09 <korn> http://www.w3.org/2013/04/05-wcag2ict-minutes.html
15:14:59 <andisnow> zakim, next item
15:14:59 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, andisnow
15:15:02 <andisnow> ack a
15:15:13 <andisnow> ack gregg
15:15:17 <andisnow> zakim, next item
15:15:17 <Zakim> agendum 3. "priorities for remaining items to address" taken up [from andisnow]
15:15:28 <andisnow> still have a survey to discuss
15:16:01 <andisnow> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/20130404/results
15:16:27 <andisnow> Cross-cutting issues - we had command line interfaces on our list of topics there
15:16:39 <andisnow> there were some glossary terms still outstanding
15:16:44 <MaryJo> + 1 to having something for command line interface
15:17:00 <korn> FYI: https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/cross-cutting-issues-and-notes for cross-cutting
15:17:43 <andisnow> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/definitions-from-glossary
15:20:06 <andisnow> action: Andi to draft proposals for deferred glossary terms
15:20:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-94 - Draft proposals for deferred glossary terms [on Andi Snow-Weaver - due 2013-04-19].
15:20:14 <korn> Also open issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG2ICT-TF/track/actions/open
15:22:58 <andisnow> open action items need to be reviewed - many will be OBE (overcome by events)
15:23:49 <andisnow> topic: Review open action items
15:24:02 <andisnow> 49 - close - OBE
15:25:48 <andisnow> 55 - Andi to address as part of deferred glossary terms review
15:27:25 <andisnow> 57 - close - OBE
15:28:09 <andisnow> 66 - close
15:28:46 <andisnow> 72 - close - completed action
15:30:14 <andisnow> 79 - leave open until close on glossary term for "change of context"
15:30:44 <andisnow> 81 - conformance survey will help with this
15:31:40 <greggvanderheiden> I just fell off
15:31:45 <korn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/W2IDRAFT2/results
15:32:00 <greggvanderheiden> we don't use the word USER AGENT anymore in our definition of software
15:32:16 <greggvanderheiden> so  Action 77 is OBE
15:32:24 <greggvanderheiden> and can be closed
15:33:03 <andisnow> 77 - we don't use user agent anymore in definition of software, Alex to review before we close
15:33:12 <andisnow> 77 - assign to Alex
15:33:34 <korn> bye all
15:33:35 <andisnow> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:33:56 <andisnow> zakim, bye
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15:37:05 <andisnow> chair: Mike_Pluke
15:37:11 <andisnow> regrets: Kiran_Kaja
15:39:50 <andisnow> present+ Mike_Pluke, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Judy_Brewer, Peter_Korn, Bruce_Bailey, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Mary_Jo_Mueller, David_MacDonald, Loïc_Martínez_Normand, Alex_Li
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