IRC log of html-a11y on 2013-04-11

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Zakim, this will be 2119

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 58 minutes ago

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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 11 April 2013

14:58:51 [Zakim]

WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started

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+??P10

14:59:15 [janina]

zakim, ??P10 is Janina_Sajka

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+Janina_Sajka; got it

14:59:34 [janina]

Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference

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Chair: Janina_Sajka

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agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List

14:59:37 [janina]

agenda+ Upcoming HTML & PF F2F http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-04-Agenda

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agenda+ Longdesc Reminder http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2013JanMar/0148.html

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agenda+ TF Publication Process Redux http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Mar/0080.html

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agenda+ Media Followup

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agenda+ Text Bugs (Continued)

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agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping;

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agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open

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agenda+ Other Business

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agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List

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agenda+ be done

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+Mark_Sadecki

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+Judy

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+[IPcaller]

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+ +1.613.806.aaaa

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zakim, [IPcaller] is Leonie

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+Leonie; got it

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+[IPcaller]

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Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

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+IanPouncey; got it

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zakim, +1.613.806.aaaa is David_M

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+David_M; got it

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+John_Foliot

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+[Apple]

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+??P22

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Zakim, Apple is me

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+hober; got it

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-??P22

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+??P44

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zakim, take up item 1

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agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]

15:08:18 [janina]

zakim, close item 1

15:08:18 [Zakim]

agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed

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I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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2. Upcoming HTML & PF F2F http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-04-Agenda [from janina]

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zakim, next

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I don't understand 'next', janina

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zakim, next item

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agendum 2. "Upcoming HTML & PF F2F http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-04-Agenda" taken up [from janina]

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scribe: Léonie Watson

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JS: The F2F is coming up. Meetings with Web Apps and HTML WG.

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JS: We're looking at alt bugs that the Text sub-team has surfaced.

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JS: Web Apps has a draft that we're interested in from an accessibility angle.

15:13:18 [JF]

Q+

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JS: It may be an API for CJK input.

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JF: Tab Atkins proposed Cascading Attribute Sheets (CAS).

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q?

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ack jf

15:16:01 [LJWatson]

JF: It abstracts an element's attributes into a separate sheet, then hooks them to the element via the class attribute.

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JF: Think it has potential for ARIA and/or accessibility.

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JF: Wonder whether we should go back to Tab and/or Web Apps to say we've looked at it?

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JS: Recall some email traffic on the TF list a while back.

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JS: Think focus now will be hard whilst we get ARIA 1.0 to the finishing line.

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JS: So think we're looking at ARIA 2.0.

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JF: CAS can embrace more than ARIA, so think it might be a potential HTML5.1 feature.

15:19:39 [janina]

zakim, next item

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agendum 3. "Longdesc Reminder http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2013JanMar/0148.html" taken up [from janina]

15:20:19 [LJWatson]

JS: No discussion, but please be mindful that this specification extension is out there.

15:21:03 [janina]

zakim, next item

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JS: We're running this on a tight timetable. We'd like to move it to LC as soon as the W3C process permits, as soon as two weeks away.

15:21:04 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "TF Publication Process Redux http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Mar/0080.html" taken up [from janina]

15:22:02 [LJWatson]

JS: FYI we have worked up a written statement of what our publications are.

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JS: Now is a good time to perfect it. Comments welcome.

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson

15:22:38 [janina]

zakim, next item

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agendum 5. "Media Followup" taken up [from janina]

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JS: Following the conversation with Mark Watson last week, has anyone had the opportunity to look at the documents relating to this?

15:23:42 [LJWatson]

JS: Does anyone has the URI?

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JS: Do we need alternative media to be encrypted?

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JS: We'll need to return to this.

15:26:08 [Judy]

q+

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q?

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ack ju

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Q+

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JS: Can we keep it a technology issue by duing due dilligence on where the alternative media might need to be encrypted?

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q?

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JB: You can encrypt the main media in such a way that access with a screen reader is perceived to be an attack.

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ack jf

15:31:14 [LJWatson]

JF: The DAISY Consortium has a policy around DRM, are there any documented difficulties with that policy?

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q?

15:31:23 [LJWatson]

JS: No, not really.

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JF: I asked Mark about transcripts.

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JF: My concern is the animosity that exists around this topic. Suggest we look at the use cases. Don't want to create a problem that doesn't exist though.

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson

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JS: A recent thread the phrase "latebinding" came up. Needing to support a third party that supplies content after the original source is released.

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s/latebinding/late binding/

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JS: I think this helps us.

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JF: If media source A uses encryption method A, but the alternate content is encrypted using encryption method B, the result could be messy.

15:35:52 [LJWatson]

JS: That's what the HTML5 spec is intended to get aay from.

15:37:36 [LJWatson]

JS: The W3C is creating a tool, it's technology/encryption agnostic.

15:38:33 [LJWatson]

JS: Having two encryption methods for the the original content and its alternate content wouldn't be conformant.

15:38:45 [Judy]

q+

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JF: But the encryption APIs would be conformant.

15:39:21 [LJWatson]

JS: Could you look into this and put some concrete information together around it?

15:39:26 [LJWatson]

JF: Sure.

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson

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JS: First, do we have a need to encrypt an alternate media source?

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JS: Second, how should that alternate be encrypted?

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q?

15:41:03 [janina]

ack ju

15:41:23 [LJWatson]

JB: We need some background and some specific information to proceed on.

15:41:46 [janina]

zakim, next item

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agendum 6. "Text Bugs (Continued)" taken up [from janina]

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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8827

15:43:28 [LJWatson]

MS: We'd like the text to be removed, but want to checkwith Steve that it isn't being addressed through his work with Robin.

15:43:42 [LJWatson]

JS: Accepted.

15:43:44 [MarkS]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10455

15:44:40 [LJWatson]

MS: Raised in response to the deprecation of longdesc. Recommend closing now Image Description extension is FPWD.

15:44:47 [LJWatson]

JS: Accepted.

15:44:54 [MarkS]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10853

15:45:23 [LJWatson]

MS: Also raised in response to longdesc being deprecated. Recommend closing it.

15:46:06 [LJWatson]

JB: Suggest we're clear about the exact status change we're making.

15:49:16 [janina]

q?

15:51:14 [MarkS]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10967

15:51:39 [LJWatson]

MS: Another longdesc related bug. Recommend closing it.

15:52:10 [janina]

q?

15:52:55 [LJWatson]

JF: This bug includes content like video, audio etc. None of these are covered by the current Image Description extension.

15:54:43 [LJWatson]

JS: We're confident that current browser and AT longdesc implementations will see the Image Description extension through LC and into the full spec.

15:55:18 [LJWatson]

JS: If we extend its remit, that may not happen. We should get longdesc back into the spec then extend its capability.

15:56:00 [LJWatson]

JS: Should e postpone it?

15:58:00 [LJWatson]

LW: Suggest we open a fresh bug when the time comes. We can add space in the bug triage area of the wiki so it doesn't drop off our radar.

15:58:15 [Judy]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/describekeywords.cgi

15:58:36 [LJWatson]

JS: Good idea.

15:59:24 [LJWatson]

JF: Suggest using reviewerSatisfied keyword.

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson

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-hober

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-Michael_Cooper

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-David_M

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-Leonie

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-Judy

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-John_Foliot

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-Mark_Sadecki

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-Janina_Sajka

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Present: Janina Sajka, Judy Brewer, Léonie Watson, Mark Sadecki, John Foliot, Michael Cooper

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson

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-IanPouncey

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WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Janina_Sajka, Mark_Sadecki, Judy, Leonie, IanPouncey, David_M, John_Foliot, hober, Michael_Cooper

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zakim, please part

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rrsagent, please part

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I see no action items