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15:05:27 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XForms
15:05:27 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see IA_XForms()11:00AM already started
15:05:28 <trackbot> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
15:05:29 <trackbot> Date: 10 April 2013
15:05:32 <nvdbleek> zakim, code?
15:05:32 <Zakim> the conference code is 93676 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), nvdbleek
15:05:58 <Zakim> +nvdbleek
15:06:16 <nvdbleek> zakim, who is here
15:06:16 <Zakim> nvdbleek, you need to end that query with '?'
15:06:26 <nvdbleek> zakim, who is here?
15:06:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfennell, ebruchez, nvdbleek
15:06:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, nvdbleek, ebruchez, trackbot
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15:07:04 <nvdbleek> nvdbleek has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Apr/0008.html
15:07:45 <nvdbleek> TOPIC: Reminder: Deadline for Balisage XForms Symposium is 19th April
15:07:52 <nvdbleek> http://www.balisage.net/XML-Interfaces/index.html
15:08:16 <nvdbleek> Topic: ACTION-1932: Erik to edit the spec for load/@show and @target
15:08:32 <nvdbleek> scribe: nick
15:08:47 <nvdbleek> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Apr/0004.html
15:08:47 <nvdbleek> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Apr/0001.html
15:08:48 <nvdbleek> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Mar/0020.html
15:09:07 <nvdbleek> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/index.php?title=XForms_2.0&diff=3781&oldid=3780
15:09:15 <nvdbleek> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/index.php?title=XForms_2.0&diff=3782&oldid=3781
15:09:26 <nvdbleek> nvdbleek: for me those changes were fine
15:10:14 <nvdbleek> pfennell: I didn't have a change to have a look yet
15:10:56 <nvdbleek> nvdbleek: We give people one week to send in comments
15:11:08 <nvdbleek> ebruchez: The changes are minimal
15:11:50 <nvdbleek> Topic: [ACTION-1934] Completed (Update the XML and relax-ng schema (change
15:11:50 <nvdbleek> mediatype to accept on upload))
15:11:51 <nvdbleek> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Apr/0006.html
15:12:13 <nvdbleek> ACTION-1934?
15:12:13 <trackbot> ACTION-1934 -- Nick Van Den Bleeken to update the XML and relax-ng schema (change mediatype to accept on upload) -- due 2013-02-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW
15:12:13 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/xforms/actions/1934
15:13:41 <nvdbleek> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Apr/0006.html
15:14:01 <nvdbleek> ebruchez: If it is deprecated it should not be removed from the schema
15:14:19 <nvdbleek> nvdbleek: OK, I will add it back to the XML and Relax schema
15:14:37 <nvdbleek> nvdbleek: I will do the update later today
15:15:33 <nvdbleek> Topic: ACTION-1939: Add the xforms:HTMLFragment data type and add text to
15:15:33 <nvdbleek> the text area control similar like it is done for xs:date on xf:input
15:15:34 <nvdbleek> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Apr/0007.html
15:16:18 <nvdbleek> nvdbleek: Spec changes http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/index.php?title=XForms_2.0&diff=3791&oldid=3789
15:17:16 <nvdbleek> nvdbleek: ebruchez, pfennell are you going to read it now or should we put it on the agenda for next week
15:17:47 <nvdbleek> ebruchez: I had a first glance at it now, it looks good, but I want to have a closer look
15:18:10 <nvdbleek> nvdbleek: OK we will leave it on the agenda, and ask other people to comment before next call
15:18:30 <nvdbleek> Topic: The function Element
15:18:31 <nvdbleek> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Mar/0018.html
15:18:32 <nvdbleek> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Mar/0019.html
15:18:32 <nvdbleek> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Jan/0028.html
15:19:08 <nvdbleek> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Apr/0013.html
15:19:17 <nvdbleek> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/index.php?title=XForms_2.0&diff=3795&oldid=3791
15:19:45 <nvdbleek> nvdbleek: I made as less changes as possible maybe we need to make more
15:19:59 <nvdbleek> ebruchez: I definitely want to review this
15:20:29 <nvdbleek> nvdbleek: We will keep on the agenda for next week. Everybody should review it and send in comments before next call
15:20:57 <nvdbleek> Topic: Element name for specifying properties on dispatch action
15:20:57 <nvdbleek> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Nov/0023.html
15:22:18 <Zakim> -ebruchez
15:22:35 <Zakim> +ebruchez
15:22:43 <nvdbleek> nvdbleek: Does anybody wants another name then property?
15:22:52 <nvdbleek> pfennell: property is reasonable
15:23:07 <nvdbleek> ebruchez: property as element name is fine
15:23:59 <nvdbleek> ebruchez: They use property in javascript
15:24:14 <nvdbleek> ebruchez: In our implementation we initially had context
15:24:47 <nvdbleek> nvdbleek: and we already use the name context for the xpath context
15:25:16 <nvdbleek> Topic: Format token parameter on serialize
15:25:17 <nvdbleek> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Nov/0012.html
15:26:10 <nvdbleek> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XPath_Expressions_Module#The_serialize.28.29_Function
15:27:13 <nvdbleek> ebruchez: Steven had a proposal to use a submission element
15:28:00 <nvdbleek> nvdbleek: On submission you can specify more parameters then the output format parameters, you would ignore those then I guess?
15:28:17 <nvdbleek> http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions-30/#func-serialize
15:28:44 <nvdbleek> http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt-xquery-serialization-30/#serparams-in-xdm-instance
15:29:19 <nvdbleek> nvdbleek: In xpath 3.0 they use an element output:serialization-parameters
15:30:17 <nvdbleek> ebruchez: They chose a name that is so large...
15:30:58 <nvdbleek> ebruchez: I don't think the element has to have a particular name
15:31:11 <nvdbleek> nvdbleek: Wouldn't that be for validation
15:31:27 <nvdbleek> ebruchez: You only need the attributes
15:31:53 <nvdbleek> ebruchez: Ideally you have named parameters, but you can't do that in XPath
15:33:22 <nvdbleek> ebruchez: If we go for submission, we probably have to make a lot of changes for allowing only a subset of attributes
15:34:18 <nvdbleek> ebruchez: I'm proposing to pass in an element and only look at the attributes on the element (we will ignore the element name)
15:35:40 <nvdbleek> ebruchez: I will send a reply with the proposal
15:36:31 <nvdbleek> ACTION: Erik to send his proposal about passing an element to the serialise and parse functions for the format options and only look at the attributes on the element (we will ignore the element name)
15:36:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1942 - Send his proposal about passing an element to the serialise and parse functions for the format options and only look at the attributes on the element (we will ignore the element name) [on Erik Bruchez - due 2013-04-17].
15:38:09 <nvdbleek> trackbot, end meeting
15:38:09 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:38:09 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pfennell, ebruchez, nvdbleek
15:38:11 <Zakim> -pfennell
15:38:11 <Zakim> -ebruchez
15:38:17 <Zakim> -nvdbleek
15:38:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:38:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/10-forms-minutes.html trackbot
15:38:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:38:18 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/10-forms-actions.rdf :
15:38:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Erik to send his proposal about passing an element to the serialise and parse functions for the format options and only look at the attributes on the element (we will ignore the element name) [1]
15:38:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/04/10-forms-irc#T15-36-31
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15:38:18 <Zakim> Attendees were pfennell, ebruchez, nvdbleek
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15:40:44 <nvdbleek> Chair: Nick
15:40:56 <nvdbleek> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:40:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/10-forms-minutes.html nvdbleek
15:41:21 <nvdbleek> RRSAgent, bye
15:41:25 <nvdbleek> zakim, bye
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15:41:48 <nvdbleek> RRSAgent, make minutes public
15:41:48 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', nvdbleek.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:43:24 <nvdbleek> rrsagent, please make these logs public
15:43:33 <nvdbleek> rrsagent, bye
15:43:33 <RRSAgent> I see no action items