IRC log of pointerevents on 2013-04-02

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2013AprJun/0003.html
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Chair: Art
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Meeting: Pointer Events WG Voice Conference
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Present+ Asir_Vedamuthu
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Topic: Getting started
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AB: I posted a draft agenda yesterday http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2013AprJun/0003.html. The main subject is to discuss the status of the LC comment processing.
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AB: any change requests?
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Topic: Status of Last Call comment processing
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AB: Jacob created the comment tracking document https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/raw-file/tip/dc.html.
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AB: it appears we have replies from everyone except Mose Bottacini (#9) and Yandex/Charles (#13-#17).
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AB: Asir followed up with Mose and asked him to reply by April 8. In the absence of any additional feedback from Mose by the 8th, I propose we continue with the group's resolution and not block on him.
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AB: any concerns Doug?
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DS: I'm comfortable with that if we can defend it
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AB: Jacob replied to him, Asir pinged him again. I think an additional week should be reasonable
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AB: Rick and I followed up with Charles. Charles indicated in IRC today that he will ask Sergey to reply.
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AB: Chaals understand we are waiting for him and Yandex to reply
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AB: anything else on the comment processing?
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JR: I would like everyone to please check the Web IDL changes
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… I made one change and then committed something different
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… Please take a look all
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AB: please look at the new IDL changes
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https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/raw-file/tip/pointerEvents.html#extensions-to-the-element-interface
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… and ask you to reply to the list if you do review
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… Want a record that people looked at the change
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Topic: Moving Pointer Events spec to Candidate Recommendation
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AB: when I created the draft agenda, I was hopeful we would have closed  the comment loop with all of the `Commenters` and thus we would be in a position to determine if we have consensus to move the spec to CR.
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AB: we aren't quite there yet but might be by next week's call.
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Topic: Testing: status, plans
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AB: any status or news re testing?
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AB: it's a bit tricky to create tests when the implementations are lacking which is a segue to our next topic ...
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Topic: Any other Business
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AB: any implementation status to share? When can we expect a Public version of IE that support the standard?
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JR: I can't comment on specific release timeframes
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… but we are following the spec closely
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q+
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… and expect to update our implementation to conform to the spec
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AB: anything new Matt re Mozilla?
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MB: lots of discussion. Main issue is getting resources to work on it
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q+
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AB: any status on the WebKit port
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AV: on a weekly basis, we are posting updates
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… you can track that on the WebKit forum
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AB: do you have an idea when a WebKit-based browser will have an impl?
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AV: I don't have any dates
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… Rick might know more
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… that is certainly our goal
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AB: so in the mean time, use "MS" prefix
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AB: anything else on impl for today?
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[ No ]
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DS: I talked to some LeapMotion people at SxSW
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q+
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… they want to make sure it works well with the Web
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… LeapMotion is a 3D detector
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… I respect JR's comment re z-axis
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… There is a lot of buzz/interest re 3D
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… Want to know though about the next steps to manage requests like this?
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… Do we have a v2 feature list?
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AB: yes, it is at the bottom of the agenda
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DS: do we have a timeframe for v2?
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… we have a good idea about v1 status
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… have we publized the v2 list?
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… can we say "it's X-X number of months before we start v2?"
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… it will help with our engagement with folks like LeapMotion
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… It could help bring them in
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JR: I have also talked to Josh from LeapMotion and Bill
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… I think our engagement has been useful
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… I now have a LM device
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… I think a projection of PE onto 3D can be done
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… but there are some issues e.g. coordinate mapping
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… I think we have done the right things for v1
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… that facilitate the experimentation of other devices
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… Re timeline for v2, agree a goal would be "noble"
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… but I think we really need to finish v1 first
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… Don't want to get distracted from finishing v1
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DS: how complete is our test suite?
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AB: maybe 1%
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DS: so let's set a timeline for the test suite
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Work? who does that!?
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… can we identify the assertions, what tests are needed
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… understand that without impls, it is a bit hard to write tests
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… There is a TestTheWebForward
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MB: I can go to that since it is in Seattle
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http://testthewebforward.org/events/seattle-2013.html
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I should be there.
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DS: would be good if some of us went to that event and asked for help
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… need to know which tests we need
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… could get some good tests
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… Need to take steps to correct the test definciency
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AB: agree it would be useful to tease out specific actions for the test suite
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… FYI, Cathy made good progress on the Test Assertion document
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http://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions
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DS: that's great Cathy
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AB: can anyone agree to take some assertions and create tests?
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JR: I want to get my team involved
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… we are committed to contribute
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SG: I can help with some of the tests
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AB: excellent
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DS: can we identify different types of tests?
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… f.ex. there is some commonality of pointerdown, pointerdown
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… It could help with an event like TTWF
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… Need a template that others can follow/use/extend
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AV: would be useful to update the TA wiki with coverage and who is working on what
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CC: I still need to do some more work
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Congratulations Cathy!!
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AB: could you please give us some status about which parts are complete and where we have gaps?
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CC: yes, I can do that
15:31:31 [jrossi21]
this is how Microsoft stress tests touch. Give your tablet to a 4 year old
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:-)
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AB: if people can volunteer for assertions today, that would be great
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… otherwise, send your TA items to the list
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SG: ok; will do
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DS: "compatibility tables" say where features are supported
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… I have been doing some related automation work
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… with WebPlatform.org, want the features' impl status to be current
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… using a library from CanIUse.com
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… working toward taking W3C test suites and report back to test assertions
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… I could prototype taking our Impl results and mapping them to feature stability
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AB: everyone please review the TA doc and notify the list when you identified the TAs you will create tests for
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AV: what are the expectations for next call (April 9)?
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AB: hopefully, we will be in a position to see if we have consensus to move to CR
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… depends on the reponses from Yandex and Mose
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AB: plan on a call on April 9
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AB: meeting adjourned
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-Doug_Schepers
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-Cathy
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-Art_Barstow
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Attendees were scott_gonzalez, Art_Barstow, Cathy, Matt_Brubeck, Doug_Schepers, asir
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ArtB Cathy: Where are the existing tests stored?
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scott_gonzalez https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/raw-file/default/tests/pointerevents-v1/
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thanks
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