IRC log of a11y-bugs on 2013-03-27

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13:55:23 [LJWatson]

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13:55:38 [LJWatson]

zakim, agenda+ New bugs review

13:55:38 [Zakim]

agendum 1 added

13:55:55 [LJWatson]

agenda+ Action resolved bugs

13:56:06 [LJWatson]

agenda+ Open bugs review

13:56:38 [LJWatson]

zakim, save agenda

13:56:44 [Zakim]

ok, LJWatson, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-agenda.rdf

13:56:49 [LJWatson]

zakim, this will be 2119

13:56:49 [Zakim]

ok, LJWatson; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML_TF)9:00AM scheduled to start 56 minutes ago

13:57:11 [LJWatson]

Meeting: HTML A11y bug triage weekly telecon

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Chair: Léonie Watson

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14:00:57 [MichaelC]

zakim, room for 3?

14:00:59 [Zakim]

ok, MichaelC; conference Team_(a11y-bugs)14:00Z scheduled with code 2119 (A11Y) for 60 minutes until 1500Z; however, please note that capacity is now overbooked

14:01:29 [Zakim]

Team_(a11y-bugs)14:00Z has now started

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+??P14

14:02:00 [MichaelC]

zakim, ??P14 is Michael_Cooper

14:02:00 [Zakim]

+Michael_Cooper; got it

14:02:11 [MichaelC]

LJWatson, hhillen, Zakim is now set up

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+[IPcaller]

14:02:57 [MichaelC]

zakim, IPcaller is Hans_Hillen

14:02:57 [Zakim]

+Hans_Hillen; got it

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+[IPcaller]

14:03:15 [MichaelC]

zakim, IPcaller is Léonie_Watson

14:03:15 [Zakim]

+Léonie_Watson; got it

14:03:59 [MichaelC]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Mar/0079.html

14:05:55 [hhillen]

scribe hhillen

14:05:56 [MichaelC]

agenda+ New bugs review

14:05:56 [MichaelC]

agenda+ Action resolved bugs

14:05:56 [MichaelC]

agenda+ Open bugs review

14:06:01 [MichaelC]

drop item 1

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drop item 2

14:06:04 [MichaelC]

drope ite 3

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drop item 3

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s/drope ite 3//

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14:06:52 [MichaelC]

trackbot, associate this channel with #html-a11y

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14:07:51 [LJWatson]

zakim, take up item 1

14:07:51 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "New bugs review" taken up [from LJWatson]

14:07:59 [MichaelC]

scribe: hhillen

14:08:55 [MichaelC]

scribe: MichaelC

14:09:01 [hhillen]

HH: Last week's new bugs did not have any significant bugs that need to be tracked, mostly editorial stuff and bugs that were already handled properly

14:09:31 [MichaelC]

ljw: asked Paul Cotton about how to file bugs

14:09:35 [MichaelC]

5.0 bugs are product HTML WG, component CR HTML 5 spec

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5.1 bugs are product HTML WG, component HTML 5 spec

14:10:01 [MichaelC]

after that bugs are product HTML.next

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scribe: hhillen

14:10:50 [Zakim]

-Michael_Cooper

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+ +1.617.715.aaaa

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+Cooper

14:12:10 [MichaelC]

zakim, aaaa is Mark_Sadecki

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+Mark_Sadecki; got it

14:14:02 [MichaelC]

scribe: MichaelC

14:14:13 [MichaelC]

hh: some new bugs were marked with a11y

14:14:31 [MichaelC]

nothing for us to track, mostly editorial

14:15:31 [MichaelC]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20987&list_id=6423

14:15:31 [MichaelC]

The main element could do with some more examples

14:15:31 [MichaelC]

request for more examples on main element, no need to track

14:15:31 [MichaelC]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21164

14:15:32 [MichaelC]

modify header and footer aria info

14:15:33 [MichaelC]

This is a request to change how role mapping for header and footer works, which was accepted. Not need to track

14:15:36 [MichaelC]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21060&list_id=6423

14:15:38 [MichaelC]

review canvas best practices

14:15:40 [MichaelC]

I don't think there a need to track this

14:15:42 [MichaelC]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21099&list_id=6423

14:15:44 [MichaelC]

need to fix war-aria section info on button/menu/menuitem

14:15:46 [MichaelC]

Request for review of specific aria roles and states, no need to track

14:15:48 [MichaelC]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21100&list_id=6423

14:15:50 [MichaelC]

review 4.11.5 Context menus

14:15:54 [MichaelC]

No need to track

14:15:56 [MichaelC]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21341&list_id=6423

14:15:58 [MichaelC]

Remove note that longdesc is obsolete for img

14:16:00 [MichaelC]

In the end this is editorial, not need to track

14:16:02 [MichaelC]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21349&list_id=6423

14:16:04 [MichaelC]

Keygen element duplicated in the HTML element to accessibility API role mapping matrix

14:16:06 [MichaelC]

Editorial request filed by Léonie, not need to track I think?

14:18:25 [MichaelC]

s/&list_id=6423//G

14:21:31 [MichaelC]

hh: some additional bugs that didn´t mark with a11y: 20916, 20919, 20917, 21131, 20920, 21020, 21347, 21348

14:22:26 [MichaelC]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21412

14:24:58 [MichaelC]

doesn´t seem to be about HTML, MC will follow up

14:24:58 [MichaelC]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21403

14:30:13 [MichaelC]

discussion of whether this is a11y issue

14:30:29 [MichaelC]

guess not since it affects all people

14:30:31 [MichaelC]

so not for TF to track

14:30:31 [MichaelC]

but interesting issues

14:32:43 [MichaelC]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21402

14:34:47 [MichaelC]

suggests alt techniques advice for gaiji characters

14:36:51 [MichaelC]

relates to alt techniques document, and may be how UAs handle

14:37:01 [MichaelC]

good to have a11y keyword, but not for TF to track

14:37:16 [MichaelC]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21401

14:37:40 [MichaelC]

on alt techniques document

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relates to question of screen reader support for emoticons

14:40:31 [MichaelC]

MC to take to PFWG

14:40:31 [MichaelC]

not to track

14:40:41 [MichaelC]

https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21365

14:40:57 [MichaelC]

already dealt with

14:41:05 [LJWatson]

zakim, next item

14:41:05 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "New bugs review" taken up [from MichaelC]

14:41:13 [MichaelC]

zakim, close this item

14:41:13 [Zakim]

agendum 4 closed

14:41:14 [Zakim]

I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:41:14 [Zakim]

5. Action resolved bugs [from MichaelC]

14:41:16 [MichaelC]

zakim, next item

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agendum 5. "Action resolved bugs" taken up [from MichaelC]

14:43:43 [Zakim]

-Mark_Sadecki

14:43:45 [Zakim]

-Léonie_Watson

14:43:46 [Zakim]

-Hans_Hillen

14:43:54 [MichaelC]

Léonie to assign actions out-of-call

14:49:42 [LJWatson]

action: Chaals McCathie Nevile to review bug 10782, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10782

14:49:42 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-160 - McCathie Nevile to review bug 10782, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10782 [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2013-04-03].

14:51:29 [LJWatson]

action: Chaals McCathie Nevile to review bug 10888, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10888

14:51:29 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-161 - McCathie Nevile to review bug 10888, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10888 [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2013-04-03].

14:52:29 [LJWatson]

action: Chaals McCathie Nevile to review bug 10994, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10994

14:52:29 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-162 - McCathie Nevile to review bug 10994, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10994 [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2013-04-03].

14:53:07 [LJWatson]

action: Chaals McCathie Nevile to review bug 10252, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10252

14:53:07 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-163 - McCathie Nevile to review bug 10252, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10252 [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2013-04-03].

14:53:47 [LJWatson]

action: Chaals McCathie Nevile to review bug 11140, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11140

14:53:47 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-164 - McCathie Nevile to review bug 11140, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11140 [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2013-04-03].

14:54:58 [LJWatson]

action: Cynthia Shelley to review bug 13566, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13566

14:54:58 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-165 - Shelley to review bug 13566, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13566 [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-04-03].

14:55:39 [LJWatson]

action: Cynthia Shelley to review bug 13560, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13560

14:55:39 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-166 - Shelley to review bug 13560, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13560 [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-04-03].

14:56:13 [LJWatson]

action: Cynthia Shelley to review bug 13553, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13553

14:56:13 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-167 - Shelley to review bug 13553, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13553 [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-04-03].

14:56:37 [LJWatson]

action: Cynthia Shelley to review bug 13549, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13549

14:56:37 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-168 - Shelley to review bug 13549, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13549 [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-04-03].

14:57:01 [LJWatson]

action: Cynthia Shelley to review bug 13511, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13511

14:57:01 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-169 - Shelley to review bug 13511, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13511 [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-04-03].

14:57:43 [LJWatson]

action: Steve Faulkner to review bug 13550, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13550

14:57:43 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-170 - Faulkner to review bug 13550, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13550 [on Steve Faulkner - due 2013-04-03].

14:58:15 [LJWatson]

action: Steve Faulkner to review bug 13548, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13548

14:58:15 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-171 - Faulkner to review bug 13548, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13548 [on Steve Faulkner - due 2013-04-03].

14:58:40 [LJWatson]

action: Steve Faulkner to review bug 9817, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9817

14:58:40 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-172 - Faulkner to review bug 9817, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9817 [on Steve Faulkner - due 2013-04-03].

14:59:00 [LJWatson]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-minutes.html LJWatson

15:04:14 [LJWatson]

action: John Foliot to review bug 13430, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13430

15:04:14 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-173 - Foliot to review bug 13430, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13430 [on John Foliot - due 2013-04-03].

15:05:00 [Zakim]

disconnecting the lone participant, Cooper, in Team_(a11y-bugs)14:00Z

15:05:01 [Zakim]

Team_(a11y-bugs)14:00Z has ended

15:05:01 [Zakim]

Attendees were Michael_Cooper, Hans_Hillen, Léonie_Watson, +1.617.715.aaaa, Cooper, Mark_Sadecki

15:05:25 [LJWatson]

action: Kelly Ford to review bug 13635, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13635

15:05:25 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-174 - Ford to review bug 13635, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13635 [on Kelly Ford - due 2013-04-03].

15:11:35 [LJWatson]

action: Rich Schwerdtfeger to review bug 13665, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13665

15:11:36 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-175 - Schwerdtfeger to review bug 13665, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13665 [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2013-04-03].

15:12:08 [LJWatson]

action: Rich Schwerdtfeger to review bug 13541, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13541

15:12:08 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-176 - Schwerdtfeger to review bug 13541, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13541 [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2013-04-03].

15:15:34 [LJWatson]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-minutes.html LJWatson

15:53:43 [LJWatson]

rrsagent, please part

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

I see 17 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-actions.rdf :

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Chaals McCathie Nevile to review bug 10782, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10782 [1]

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-irc#T14-49-42

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Chaals McCathie Nevile to review bug 10888, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10888 [2]

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-irc#T14-51-29

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Chaals McCathie Nevile to review bug 10994, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10994 [3]

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-irc#T14-52-29

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Chaals McCathie Nevile to review bug 10252, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10252 [4]

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-irc#T14-53-07

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Chaals McCathie Nevile to review bug 11140, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11140 [5]

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-irc#T14-53-47

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Cynthia Shelley to review bug 13566, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13566 [6]

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-irc#T14-54-58

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Cynthia Shelley to review bug 13560, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13560 [7]

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-irc#T14-55-39

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Cynthia Shelley to review bug 13553, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13553 [8]

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-irc#T14-56-13

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Cynthia Shelley to review bug 13549, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13549 [9]

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-irc#T14-56-37

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Cynthia Shelley to review bug 13511, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13511 [10]

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-irc#T14-57-01

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Steve Faulkner to review bug 13550, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13550 [11]

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-irc#T14-57-43

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Steve Faulkner to review bug 13548, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13548 [12]

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-irc#T14-58-15

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Steve Faulkner to review bug 9817, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9817 [13]

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-irc#T14-58-40

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: John Foliot to review bug 13430, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13430 [14]

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-irc#T15-04-14

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Kelly Ford to review bug 13635, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13635 [15]

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-irc#T15-05-25

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Rich Schwerdtfeger to review bug 13665, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13665 [16]

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-irc#T15-11-35

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Rich Schwerdtfeger to review bug 13541, and either verify/close it, or provide new information and re-open it under the relevant version of the spec https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13541 [17]

15:53:43 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/27-a11y-bugs-irc#T15-12-08