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14:00:47 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:00:47 <trackbot> Date: 15 March 2013
14:00:50 <janina> zakim, who's here?
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14:01:32 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:01:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, ??P14, +1.512.255.aaaa, Gregg_Vanderheiden, [Oracle]
14:01:45 <janina> zakim, ??P14 is Janina_Sajka
14:01:45 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
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14:02:24 <andisnow> zakim, aabb is Andi_Snow-Weaver
14:02:24 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow-Weaver; got it
14:02:26 <korn> Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn
14:02:26 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
14:02:28 <Zakim> +??P18
14:02:37 <Zakim> +Kiran_Kaja
14:03:47 <Mike_P> zakim, ??P18 is Mike
14:03:47 <Zakim> +Mike; got it
14:04:34 <Kiran_Kaja> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:04:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bruce_Bailey, Janina_Sajka, +1.512.255.aaaa, Gregg_Vanderheiden, [Oracle], Andi_Snow-Weaver, Mike, Kiran_Kaja
14:04:36 <Zakim> [Oracle] has Peter_Korn
14:05:02 <MaryJo> zakim, aaaa is Mary_Jo_Mueller
14:05:02 <Zakim> +Mary_Jo_Mueller; got it
14:05:15 <Mike_P> agenda+ Continue discussion of comparison with M376 [2] starting with 3.1.2 (based on the related survey [3])
14:05:34 <MaryJo> scribe: Mary_Jo_Mueller
14:05:37 <Mike_P> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/cross-cutting-issues-and-notes/comparison-to-m376
14:05:41 <MaryJo> scribenick: MaryJo
14:06:08 <Mike_P> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/Jan232013/results
14:06:24 <Zakim> +??P22
14:06:33 <Mike_P> agenda+ notification options to commenters regardless of whether comments fully processed
14:07:03 <Mike_P> agenda+ priorities for remaining sections to address
14:07:03 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
14:07:04 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Continue discussion of comparison with M376 [2] starting with 3.1.2 (based on the related survey [3])" taken up [from Mike_P]
14:07:15 <Mike_P> agenda+ confirming next meetings, including holiday break
14:09:22 <korn> WCAG2ICT has note not in M376.
14:09:23 <korn> No change. 
14:09:23 <korn> Rationale: WCAG2ICT note helpful to developers.
14:09:23 <korn> -22Feb13.
14:11:28 <korn> WCAG2ICT text updated since M376 was developed (and derived from old language)
14:11:28 <korn> No change. 
14:11:28 <korn> Rationale: WCAG2ICT text more mature
14:11:28 <korn> -15Mar13.
14:14:06 <MaryJo> SC 3.2.3 and 3.2.4 we are postponing discussions.
14:16:17 <MaryJo> SC 3.3.4 - we need to remove 'set of' from the WCAG2ICT text, as it is an error in our text.
14:18:49 <korn> WCAG2ICT inorrectly states the substitution is "web pages" not "set of web pages". 
14:18:49 <korn> This WCAG2ICT substitution is useful for documents.
14:18:49 <korn> RESOLUTION: Update the substitution to be for "web pages".
14:18:49 <korn> Rationale: it is the correct substitution.
14:18:49 <korn> -15Mar13
14:19:16 <MaryJo> s/inorrectly/incorrectly
14:19:18 <korn> WCAG2ICT incorrectly states the substitution is "set of web pages" not "web pages". 
14:20:49 <korn> WCAG2ICT incorrectly states the substitution is "set of web pages" not "web pages". 
14:20:49 <korn> This WCAG2ICT substitution is useful for documents.
14:20:49 <korn> RESOLUTION: Correct our text to remove 'set of" language so it reads : "replacing 'Web pages' with 'non-web documents and software'.
14:20:49 <korn> Rationale: it is the correct substitution.
14:20:50 <korn> -15Mar13
14:24:21 <korn> WCAG2ICT incorrectly states the substitution is "set of web pages" not "web pages". 
14:24:22 <korn> This WCAG2ICT substitution is useful for documents.
14:24:22 <korn> RESOLUTION: Correct our text to remove 'set of" language so it reads : "replacing 'Web pages' with 'non-web documents and software'.
14:24:22 <korn> Rationale: we had made an error in our substitution language.
14:24:22 <korn> Rationale: Substitution text important to be spelled out.
14:24:22 <korn> -15Mar13
14:27:21 <korn> WCAG2ICT text updated since M376 was developed (and derived from old language)
14:27:21 <korn> No change. 
14:27:21 <korn> Rationale: WCAG2ICT text more mature
14:27:21 <korn> -15Mar13.
14:28:26 <MaryJo> SC 4.1.2
14:29:04 <MaryJo> Note is useful for developers
14:29:09 <korn> WCAG2ICT has note not in M376.
14:29:09 <korn> No change. 
14:29:09 <korn> Rationale: WCAG2ICT note helpful to developers.
14:29:09 <korn> -15Mar13.
14:29:14 <MaryJo> s/Note is/Note 2/
14:29:27 <MaryJo> s/Note 2/Note 2 is/
14:35:43 <korn> M376 doesn't include "would be met automatically" language.
14:35:43 <korn> RESOLUTION: removes the last sentence  of note #1 in 1.1.1, that begins "If they do not appear..."
14:35:43 <korn> Rationale: this sentence isn't needed or appropriate.
14:35:43 <korn> -15Mar13
14:36:33 <MaryJo> Above is proposed resolution for SC 1.1.1 to put it into the new resolution format.
14:38:23 <korn> M376 doesn't include the last sentence of Note 1 that begins "If they do not appear..."
14:38:23 <korn> RESOLUTION: remove the last sentence of note #1, that begins "If they do not appear..."
14:38:23 <korn> Rationale: this sentence isn't needed or appropriate.
14:38:23 <korn> -15Mar13
14:39:53 <MaryJo> Proposed that if the same conclusions are made for software that we say to look at the SC in the documents table above.
14:41:23 <korn> Same as above in Documents.
14:41:23 <korn> -15Mar13
14:42:29 <korn> Same as above in Documents.
14:42:29 <korn> RESOLUTION: remove the last sentence of note #1, that begins "If they do not appear..."
14:42:29 <korn> -15Mar13
14:46:59 <MaryJo> SC 1.1.1 through 1.4.3 are all the same conclusions as for Documents above.
14:48:21 <MaryJo> At the top of the software table it is noted that M376 isn't consistent in its substitution of 'software' for 'web page' because sometimes they substitute 'software user interface' for 'web page'.
14:49:42 <MaryJo> We're not going to make mention of this inconsistency on the individual SC's where they occur.
14:50:31 <korn> In a number of places, the M376 substitution for "web page" is "software user interface" where we always substitute it "web page" as "software".
14:50:31 <korn> No change. 
14:50:31 <korn> Rationale: WCAG2ICT is consistent and "software" is correct.
14:50:31 <korn> -15Mar13.
14:51:41 <korn> In a number of places, the M376 substitution for "web page" is "software user interface" where we always substitute "web page" with "software".
14:51:41 <korn> No change. 
14:51:41 <korn> Rationale: WCAG2ICT is consistent and "software" is preferred.[Where this occurs in the individual SCs below, we don't note it again]
14:51:41 <korn> -15Mar13.
14:52:49 <korn> In a number of places, the M376 substitution for "web page" is "software user interface" (other places it is "software") where we always substitute "web page" with "software".
14:52:49 <korn> No change. 
14:52:49 <korn> Rationale: WCAG2ICT is consistent and we have chosen "software".[Where this occurs in the individual SCs below, we don't note it again]
14:52:49 <korn> -15Mar13.
14:55:34 <MaryJo> SC 1.4.4 for software
14:55:52 <korn> Same as above in Documents.
14:55:52 <korn> No change.
14:55:52 <korn> -15Mar13
14:58:16 <korn> Same as above in Documents.
14:58:16 <MaryJo> SC 1.4.5 through 2.1.2 are no change.
14:58:16 <korn> No consensus to make any Change
14:58:16 <korn> We will survey WCAG2ICT to change our language to expressly replace "content" with "document or software".
14:58:16 <korn> -15Mar13
14:58:39 <MaryJo> SC 2.2.1 will have to be addressed in another survey for both documents and software.
14:59:45 <korn> Same as above in Documents.
14:59:45 <korn> RESOLUTION: Change  first paragraph of our guidance to say  "This applies directly as  written, and as described in INTENT from Understanding WCAG 2.0 (above)"  replacing "page" and "Web page" with "non-web documents and software in  Note 2.
14:59:45 <korn> -15Mar13
15:01:10 <Mike_P> No snow in Ipswich - Just cold grey and miserable!
15:01:46 <korn> Same as above in Documents.
15:01:46 <korn> No consensus to make any Change
15:01:46 <korn> TF to return to this later
15:01:46 <korn> -15Mar13
15:01:48 <MaryJo> s/No snow in Ipswich - Just cold grey and miserable!//
15:02:22 <MaryJo> Above is proposal for SC 2.4.1.
15:03:14 <MaryJo> SC 2.4.2
15:03:30 <MaryJo> This is the same as for docs.
15:04:32 <Mike_P> Software survey is: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/Jan232013-2/results
15:07:13 <MaryJo> Task force agreed on SC 1.1.1 to 2.4.7 - as noted in the table.
15:08:39 <korn> WCAG2ICT has a note that applies to software not in M376.
15:08:40 <korn> No change. 
15:08:40 <korn> Rationale: Note is helpful to developers.
15:08:40 <korn> -15Mar13.
15:12:02 <korn> WCAG2ICT has a note that applies to software not in M376.
15:12:03 <korn> No change. 
15:12:03 <korn> Rationale: Note is helpful to developers.
15:12:03 <korn> -15Mar13.
15:12:23 <korn> M376 doesn't apply this to software.
15:12:23 <korn> No change. 
15:12:23 <korn> Rationale: We found a way to apply this to software.
15:12:23 <korn> -15Mar13.
15:12:51 <MaryJo> SC 3.1.1 and 3.1.2 were agreed upon as copied into IRC above.
15:15:06 <MaryJo> SC 3.2.3 and 3.2.4 will have to be addressed later.
15:17:45 <korn> Same as above in Documents.
15:17:45 <korn> WCAG2ICT incorrectly states the substitution is "set of web pages" not "web pages".  
15:17:45 <korn> This WCAG2ICT substitution is useful for documents.
15:17:45 <korn> RESOLUTION: Correct our text to remove 'set of" language so it reads : "replacing 'Web pages' with 'non-web documents and software'.
15:17:46 <korn> Rationale: we had made an error in our substitution language. 
15:17:46 <korn> Rationale: Substitution text important to be spelled out.
15:17:46 <korn> -15Mar13
15:19:06 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow-Weaver
15:20:19 <MaryJo> Above is for SC 3.3.4.
15:21:49 <MaryJo> Task force agreed on all of the SC 3.3.4 through 4.1.2.
15:23:27 <MaryJo> We have a survey to do for closed products, one for the 4 skipped SC in these tables as we didn't have our final language when the table was created, and one for conformance.
15:29:18 <MaryJo> Mike will do the survey on the comparison for closed products.
15:30:14 <MaryJo> There will also be a content change survey for 1 SC each for documents and software, as well as a survey on the 4 'set of' SC for documents and software.
15:31:27 <MaryJo> We should send all of the changes we've agreed to so far for the WCAG2ICT document to the WCAG working group to survey.
15:32:42 <MaryJo> Gregg will take them to the WCAG working group along with the rationales.
15:33:24 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
15:33:25 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
15:33:27 <Zakim> -Mary_Jo_Mueller
15:33:28 <Zakim> -[Oracle]
15:33:29 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
15:33:31 <Zakim> -Kiran_Kaja
15:33:34 <Zakim> -Mike
15:33:36 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden
15:33:36 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has ended
15:33:36 <Zakim> Attendees were Bruce_Bailey, +1.512.255.aaaa, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Janina_Sajka, +1.512.423.aabb, Andi_Snow-Weaver, Peter_Korn, Kiran_Kaja, Mike, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Michael_Cooper
15:33:46 <MaryJo> zakim, bye
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15:33:53 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
15:33:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/15-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo
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16:05:14 <MaryJo> Regrets: Loic_Martinez_Normand, David_MacDonald
16:05:33 <MaryJo> CHAIR: Mike_Pluke
16:08:18 <MaryJo> rrsagent, make minutes
16:08:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/15-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo