IRC log of gld on 2013-03-14

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13:59:09 [PhilA]

zakim, this will be gld

13:59:09 [Zakim]

ok, PhilA; I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute

13:59:16 [HadleyBeeman]

Hello, PhilA

13:59:21 [PhilA]

Hi HadleyBeeman

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13:59:30 [PhilA]

PhilA has changed the topic to: GLD Weekly call

13:59:35 [Zakim]

T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has now started

13:59:39 [PhilA]

zakim, code?

13:59:39 [Zakim]

the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA

13:59:42 [Zakim]

+bhyland

13:59:56 [bhyland]

@PhilA code = 45394

14:00:07 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:00:13 [PhilA]

zakim, ipcaller is me

14:00:13 [Zakim]

+PhilA; got it

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zakim, code?

14:01:08 [Zakim]

the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), boris

14:01:18 [Zakim]

+ +1.440.389.aaaa

14:01:31 [HadleyBeeman]

zakim, aaaa is me

14:01:31 [Zakim]

+HadleyBeeman; got it

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+ +34.60.062.aabb

14:01:38 [Zakim]

+ +33.4.93.00.aacc

14:01:40 [boris]

zakim, aabb is me

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+boris; got it

14:01:49 [boris]

zakim, mute me

14:01:50 [Zakim]

boris should now be muted

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+[IPcaller]

14:02:24 [olyerickson]

zakim, [ipcaller] is me.

14:02:26 [Zakim]

+olyerickson; got it

14:02:26 [Zakim]

+??P22

14:02:36 [BenediktKaempgen]

zakim, ??P22 is me

14:02:52 [Zakim]

+BenediktKaempgen; got it

14:02:52 [Zakim]

+??P24

14:02:59 [martinA]

zakim, ??P24 is me

14:03:00 [Zakim]

+martinA; got it

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14:03:29 [olyerickson]

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130314

14:03:31 [Zakim]

+ +1.301.943.aadd

14:04:20 [bhyland]

zakim, aadd is mike_pendleton

14:04:20 [Zakim]

+mike_pendleton; got it

14:04:25 [bhyland]

zakim, who is on the call?

14:04:25 [Zakim]

On the phone I see bhyland, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, boris (muted), gatemezi, olyerickson, BenediktKaempgen, martinA, mike_pendleton

14:04:31 [Zakim]

+??P28

14:04:35 [olyerickson]

ha ha

14:04:44 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

Zakim, ??P28 is me

14:04:44 [Zakim]

+JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

14:05:29 [PhilA]

scribe: PhilA

14:05:58 [PhilA]

chair: Bernadette

14:06:21 [PhilA]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Mar/0130.html

14:06:23 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

Zakim, mute me

14:06:23 [Zakim]

JoaoPauloAlmeida should now be muted

14:06:36 [bhyland]

Last week's minutes: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-03-07

14:06:44 [BenediktKaempgen]

+1

14:06:47 [HadleyBeeman]

+1

14:07:11 [gatemezi]

+1

14:07:14 [olyerickson]

Woot!

14:07:16 [PhilA]

bhyland: key things were the resolutions to go to LC for DCAT and QB

14:07:36 [PhilA]

bhyland: Anyone from the DCAT call on Friday want to comment?

14:07:51 [HadleyBeeman]

DCAT breakout session minutes: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-03-078

14:07:53 [bhyland]

q?

14:08:30 [HadleyBeeman]

s / http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-03-078">http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-03-078 / http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-03-078

14:08:47 [HadleyBeeman]

www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-03-08

14:08:48 [PhilA]

PhilA: We got through a lot of things quickly and efficiently

14:09:15 [PhilA]

QB LCWD is at http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-data-cube/

14:09:37 [PhilA]

DCAT LCWD is at http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/

14:10:03 [PhilA]

bhyland: Discusses new PubRules about LCWD and FPWD...

14:10:27 [PhilA]

... there was some discussion about parts being automated from Mercurial

14:11:09 [PhilA]

HadleyBeeman: In going through everything, I was looking for the announcement for getting ORG to Last Call. I can't find it - we didn't announce to W3C Chairs that we'd done this

14:11:17 [PhilA]

bhyland: This is on you PhilA

14:11:23 [PhilA]

PhilA: Yes, I rememebr doing this

14:11:42 [PhilA]

HadleyBeeman: Need to send something to W3C Chairs about QB and DCAT

14:11:54 [PhilA]

HadleyBeeman: I need to state what our dependencies are

14:11:58 [gatemezi]

q+

14:12:09 [PhilA]

We can't hear you HadleyBeeman

14:12:21 [bhyland]

So this was a step we missed back in October ...

14:12:53 [PhilA]

HadleyBeeman: We missed this step in October, we need to do it now. I need to know what dependencies we have. There were discussions with PROV

14:13:04 [olyerickson]

yes

14:13:30 [PhilA]

Charter http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter

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HadleyBeeman: We need to explicitly put it in the e-mail to the other chairs those chairs listed in the charter

14:14:57 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:15:13 [MariosMeimaris]

zakim, IPcaller is me

14:15:13 [Zakim]

+MariosMeimaris; got it

14:16:04 [Zakim]

-gatemezi

14:16:09 [olyerickson]

But we only MUST notify the LISTED dependencies, is that correct?

14:16:16 [PhilA]

PhilA: Offers advice on others to write to (OKFN, Jeanne etc.)

14:16:27 [PhilA]

bhyland: LC closing date is 8th April

14:16:34 [HadleyBeeman]

Yes, Olyerickson.

14:16:40 [olyerickson]

k, thx

14:16:48 [HadleyBeeman]

Though its in our interest to notify others too, because we want lots of comments :)

14:16:55 [Zakim]

+ +33.4.93.00.aaee

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14:17:14 [gatemezi]

Question: regarding DCAT vocab, what about the updateed file of the vocab?

14:17:26 [bhyland]

zakim, who is on the call?

14:17:26 [Zakim]

On the phone I see bhyland, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, boris (muted), olyerickson, BenediktKaempgen, martinA, mike_pendleton, JoaoPauloAlmeida (muted), MariosMeimaris, +33.4.93.00.aaee

14:17:29 [PhilA]

bhyland: Congrats to editors and people who worked to get the vocabs out of the door

14:17:42 [bhyland]

zakim, aaee is gatemezi

14:17:42 [Zakim]

+gatemezi; got it

14:18:04 [PhilA]

topic: Glossary

14:18:14 [PhilA]

bhyland: Agreed that it will be a Note

14:18:17 [boris]

https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html

14:18:18 [olyerickson]

YES to glossary

14:18:23 [PhilA]

... thanks to Ghislain for his help

14:18:33 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

Zakim, unmute me

14:18:33 [Zakim]

JoaoPauloAlmeida should no longer be muted

14:18:40 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

+q

14:18:41 [bhyland]

q?

14:18:44 [PhilA]

bhyland: I'll add 5 start linked data. We're up to 115 terms

14:18:48 [PhilA]

ack gatemezi

14:18:59 [PhilA]

ack JoaoPauloAlmeida

14:19:07 [olyerickson]

One minor issues: "conneg" is a common synonym to Content Negotiation (but is not listed)

14:19:21 [PhilA]

JoaoPauloAlmeida: The issue I mentioned about closed world assumptions - it still looks wrong to me

14:19:35 [PhilA]

bhyland: I'll look at that - and pass the wording past you

14:19:39 [Zakim]

-JoaoPauloAlmeida

14:20:20 [Zakim]

+??P6

14:20:28 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

my call always drop after a while… sorry about that.

14:20:29 [olyerickson]

Q

14:20:36 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

Zakim, ??P6 is me

14:20:36 [Zakim]

+JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

14:20:39 [PhilA]

bhyland: conneg, got it. I can take it from the linked data book unless you have an alternative olyerickson

14:21:15 [PhilA]

olyerickson: My point was that you have content negotiation - and the wording is fine. It's just the term 'conneg' that needs to be in there, perhaps referring to conent negotiation

14:21:21 [PhilA]

bhyland: Got it, thanks olyerickson

14:21:35 [PhilA]

rrsagent, make logs public

14:22:09 [PhilA]

bhyland: V grateful to Ghislain for putting in the links/references

14:22:18 [bhyland]

Request: Make Linked Data Glossary a Working NOte

14:22:41 [olyerickson]

As long as the W3C wonks are happy, I'm happy with it being a "WG Note"

14:22:52 [PhilA]

bhyland: PROPOSED RESOLUTION That the Glossary be published as a Working Group Note

14:22:54 [HadleyBeeman]

Definition of a working group note: http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr#WGNote

14:23:29 [bhyland]

PhilA: All Working Group Notes are subject to revision. Publishing this version doesn't stop us from later updating it.

14:23:46 [bhyland]

… there is no last call period. People are welcome to comment & editors will update it.

14:24:15 [bhyland]

By reference, the PROV Group did a heap of Notes, see http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-prov-overview-20130312/

14:24:22 [PhilA]

bhyland: I saw a lot of Notes from the PROV WG

14:24:36 [PhilA]

bhyland: PROPOSED RESOLUTION That the Glossary be published as a Working Group Note

14:24:36 [olyerickson]

They also don't have lives... ;)

14:24:39 [bhyland]

+1

14:24:41 [boris]

+1 to publish it as WG Note

14:24:46 [gatemezi]

+1

14:24:49 [martinA]

+1

14:24:51 [BenediktKaempgen]

+1 (if @@TODO is done)

14:24:52 [PhilA]

RESOLUTION That the Glossary be published as a Working Group Note

14:25:01 [PhilA]

RESOLUTION: That the Glossary be published as a Working Group Note

14:26:11 [PhilA]

topic: Best Practices document

14:26:15 [bhyland]

See https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html

14:26:33 [PhilA]

bhyland: There was a lot of work done a year ago nad it's lain dormant since then.

14:26:56 [PhilA]

bhyland: I want to tidy up some of the language etc. and there's more that needs to be added

14:27:07 [PhilA]

... I'm hoping I can make it more readable

14:27:33 [PhilA]

... if this WG doesn't move it to FPWD soon then we won't be on a firm footing to get this through the rec track

14:27:40 [PhilA]

... which I'm keen to do

14:28:03 [PhilA]

... it's up to the WG to decide what it wants to do and what it wants to achieve

14:28:24 [PhilA]

... lengthy mail from Dave Reynolds about procurement (suggesting it shouldn't be there)

14:28:40 [bhyland]

q?

14:28:41 [PhilA]

... procuremetn may be a topic for a CG or similar

14:29:32 [bhyland]

See the timeline summary chart for our group: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Main_Page

14:29:38 [PhilA]

bhyland: When Hadley joined, she worked back and said, right, the docs we hope to be CR by the end of May, need to be at stage X by date Y

14:30:02 [PhilA]

... if things don't make FPWD today and then to LC at the end of March we won't make it

14:30:42 [PhilA]

bhyland: FPWD means we as a group feel good enough about the doc that it should be released to the public

14:30:46 [PhilA]

... it's not last call

14:31:02 [PhilA]

... if we don't get it in the pipeline it won't come out the other end

14:31:24 [PhilA]

... arguing over the doc can then be used as part of the extension discussion

14:32:12 [bhyland]

PhilA: Promised URI wording but fine to see the current BP doc move to FPWD status today.

14:32:28 [boris]

zakim, unmute me

14:32:28 [Zakim]

boris should no longer be muted

14:32:33 [boris]

q+

14:32:43 [olyerickson]

"Policy" is a pretty strong word

14:32:44 [PhilA]

http://philarcher.org/diary/2013/uripersistence/

14:33:06 [olyerickson]

Q+

14:33:31 [PhilA]

action: PhilA to make good on promises to add wording to URI persistence section etc.

14:33:31 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-104 - Make good on promises to add wording to URI persistence section etc. [on Phil Archer - due 2013-03-21].

14:33:52 [PhilA]

Mike_Pendleton: What you;re saying makes sense - let's do it

14:34:15 [PhilA]

boris: I just wanted to say that yes, we can push it to FPWD and we can get some feedback from the community

14:34:25 [PhilA]

boris: And thank you Bernadette for your recent changes

14:34:54 [PhilA]

bhyland: I didn't want people not to recognise it, but I cut some stuff out where people had asked questions but not offered answers

14:35:02 [PhilA]

bhyland: Happy to put stauff back in

14:35:03 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

Shouldn't the title of the document be: Best Practices for Publishing *Government *Linked Data?

14:35:19 [olyerickson]

Q?

14:35:23 [olyerickson]

Q?

14:35:28 [olyerickson]

Q?

14:35:30 [olyerickson]

Q?

14:35:33 [PhilA]

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: That the Best Practices document be prepared and published as a first public working draft

14:35:38 [Zakim]

-JoaoPauloAlmeida

14:35:45 [boris]

zakim, ack boris

14:35:45 [Zakim]

I see olyerickson on the speaker queue

14:35:46 [olyerickson]

Q?

14:35:49 [olyerickson]

Q?

14:35:54 [PhilA]

ack olyerickson

14:35:56 [Zakim]

+??P0

14:36:07 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

Zakim, ??P0 is me

14:36:07 [Zakim]

+JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

14:36:11 [PhilA]

olyerickson: There were a couple of questions I had around persistent URIs

14:36:26 [PhilA]

... do we really mean *policy* or do we mean something a little less formal?

14:36:38 [PhilA]

... I'm not sure we need *policy*

14:36:39 [PhilA]

q+

14:36:49 [bhyland]

q+

14:36:56 [PhilA]

olyerickson: I've got some wording on persistent IDs that I wrote for a different project

14:37:04 [PhilA]

I'll send that to you back channel that might be useful

14:38:57 [olyerickson]

ack]\

14:38:59 [olyerickson]

ack

14:39:00 [bhyland]

q?

14:39:06 [bhyland]

ack PhilA

14:39:40 [olyerickson]

phila: People meeting at a pub can have a "policy"

14:40:56 [bhyland]

I offer to explain what I mean by use of the word "policy"

14:41:41 [PhilA]

bhyland: I can suggest that there's a URI policy within an organisation, and everyone will tailor their policy to their needs

14:42:02 [PhilA]

... e.g. NCBO has a different policy to Astra Zeneca for example

14:42:11 [PhilA]

... I'd say you need one, they're good and here's why they matter

14:42:41 [PhilA]

... purlz suffers from the name being a project and an acronym

14:43:07 [PhilA]

... really just want to flag to include 'this is why they matter'

14:43:19 [PhilA]

... want to include that Purls are useful for governments

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14:43:33 [PhilA]

... then URI design principles are more like edicts

14:43:50 [olyerickson]

k

14:44:03 [olyerickson]

decrapulate

14:44:28 [olyerickson]

+1 to hg hate

14:44:38 [PhilA]

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: That the Best Practices document be prepared and published as a first public working draft

14:44:43 [HadleyBeeman]

+1

14:44:46 [gatemezi]

+1

14:44:48 [bhyland]

+1

14:44:53 [PhilA]

RESOLUTION: That the Best Practices document be prepared and published as a first public working draft

14:45:04 [boris]

+1

14:45:07 [martinA]

+1

14:45:34 [olyerickson]

Spring skiing is pretty icy and fast ;)

14:46:14 [Zakim]

-boris

14:46:26 [bhyland]

PhilA: I think you can go to first LC directly.

14:47:00 [bhyland]

PhilA: I prefer to see Tuesday's release be deemed FPWD, followed by LC if ready by end of March

14:47:16 [Zakim]

+boris

14:47:19 [PhilA]

All agreed

14:48:26 [HadleyBeeman]

To confirm: FPWD to be published Tuesday; Last call transition discussion next week and (hopefully) last call publication on the 26th. (For Best Practice)

14:48:33 [PhilA]

bhyland: So, we have the glossary through and the BP doc

14:48:47 [olyerickson]

????

14:49:43 [PhilA]

topic: Future meeting agendas

14:50:21 [HadleyBeeman]

i will

14:50:55 [bhyland]

Anyone available to formally review the BP doc in FPWD state

14:51:11 [olyerickson]

I'm not sure what the "ask" is...for BP reviewers?

14:51:19 [PhilA]

PhilA: I suggest we ask Michael Hausenblas

14:51:21 [Zakim]

-JoaoPauloAlmeida

14:51:23 [MariosMeimaris]

i can do it as well

14:51:43 [PhilA]

bhyland: and some from the GLD. We need people who are not editors

14:51:53 [bhyland]

Suggested MichaelH but there should others in the GLD WG

14:52:09 [HadleyBeeman]

PhilA will review the parts he's not writing

14:52:09 [PhilA]

PhilA: I'll review that which I'm not writing

14:52:21 [bhyland]

Agreed: MichaelH, Marios, Hadley, Phil, MikeP

14:52:21 [PhilA]

bhyland: and you Mike_Pendleton?

14:52:30 [Mike_Pendleton]

yes

14:52:34 [olyerickson]

I will look at Phila's P-URI stuff and the URI design stuff (which is changed from what I contributed)

14:52:58 [Zakim]

+??P0

14:53:00 [PhilA]

bhyland: It's not that long and not that techie

14:53:02 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

Zakim, ??P0 is me

14:53:02 [Zakim]

+JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

14:53:09 [PhilA]

topic: Face to face meeting

14:53:33 [PhilA]

bhyland: Did anyone get anything accepted at the European data Forum

14:53:34 [bhyland]

q?

14:53:38 [bhyland]

ack bhyland

14:53:38 [boris]

I think Ghislain

14:53:49 [gatemezi]

http://2013.data-forum.eu/program

14:53:52 [PhilA]

gatemezi: I had something accepted

14:54:34 [boris]

Open Data Session

14:54:39 [Zakim]

-olyerickson

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14:56:20 [PhilA]

bhyland: Thanks for the pointer

14:56:50 [PhilA]

bhyland: I'm going to send round updates on the community directory

14:57:16 [PhilA]

... we're putting quite a bit of effort into getting the distributed model for that

14:57:34 [PhilA]

... people will be able to publish their own .ttl files and we'll pick them up without then having to login etc.

14:57:37 [bhyland]

q?

14:57:48 [PhilA]

bhyland: I'd like to have that done by the time of he EDF

14:58:02 [bhyland]

q?

14:58:50 [PhilA]

http://www.w3.org/2013/02/vrc.html

14:58:58 [bhyland]

Topic: Brief about Vocabulary group

14:59:07 [BenediktKaempgen]

For your information: Germany has now published a government data portal. It has been presented at CEBIT. Check it out at: https://www.govdata.de/ (so far only in German, unfortunately)

14:59:54 [BenediktKaempgen]

sorry, wrong topic, thought it to be announcements.

15:00:01 [bhyland]

PhilA: Taking Vocabularies our of Rec Track process in WG's

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15:00:07 [PhilA]

http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/

15:00:39 [bhyland]

Topic: Open Data on the Web

15:00:54 [bhyland]

Jim King is the headliner, the Adobe PDF spec inventor. Cool.

15:01:30 [bhyland]

Everyone else who submitted & is accepted will get 5 or 10 minutes.

15:01:41 [bhyland]

… everyone welcome to come along.

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+ +3539149aaff

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Zakim, aaff is me

15:01:59 [Zakim]

+fadmaa; got it

15:02:20 [boris]

thanks

15:02:21 [Zakim]

-mike_pendleton

15:02:22 [BenediktKaempgen]

thanks

15:02:22 [Zakim]

-HadleyBeeman

15:02:22 [Zakim]

-PhilA

15:02:23 [Zakim]

-JoaoPauloAlmeida

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-bhyland

15:02:25 [Zakim]

-gatemezi

15:02:25 [Zakim]

-BenediktKaempgen

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-martinA

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-boris

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-fadmaa

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-MariosMeimaris

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Attendees were bhyland, PhilA, +1.440.389.aaaa, HadleyBeeman, +34.60.062.aabb, boris, olyerickson, gatemezi, BenediktKaempgen, martinA, +1.301.943.aadd, mike_pendleton,

15:02:39 [Zakim]

... JoaoPauloAlmeida, MariosMeimaris, +33.4.93.00.aaee, +3539149aaff, fadmaa

15:02:40 [bhyland]

@PhilA, thanks for scribing. I trust you're fine to publish minutes.

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15:02:57 [PhilA]

will do bhyland

15:03:36 [HadleyBeeman]

Thanks, PhilA!

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