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17:26:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
17:26:04 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 34 minutes
17:26:05 <trackbot> Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
17:26:06 <trackbot> Date: 07 March 2013
17:26:13 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
17:26:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-ua-minutes.html allanj
17:26:36 <allanj> rrsagent, set logs public
17:31:22 <allanj> agenda+ charter survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20130227/results
17:31:45 <allanj> agenda+ conformance survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20130225/results
17:32:11 <allanj> chair: kellyFord, JimAllan
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17:53:09 <kford> zakim, agenda?
17:53:09 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
17:53:10 <Zakim> 1. charter survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20130227/results [from allanj]
17:53:10 <Zakim> 2. conformance survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20130225/results [from allanj]
17:58:03 <jeanne> jeanne has joined #ua
17:58:04 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
17:58:11 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:58:28 <kford> zakim, microsoft is kford
17:58:28 <Zakim> +kford; got it
17:58:33 <Zakim> +Jim_Allan
17:58:36 <kford> rrsagent, maike minutes
17:58:36 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'maike minutes', kford.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:58:42 <kford> rrsagent, make minutes
17:58:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-ua-minutes.html kford
18:00:48 <Greg> Greg has joined #ua
18:01:33 <Zakim> +Greg_Lowney
18:01:43 <sharper> zakim, code?
18:01:43 <Zakim> the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), sharper
18:01:55 <Zakim> +??P2
18:02:04 <sharper> zakim, ??P2 is sharper
18:02:04 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
18:02:26 <Zakim> +Jeanne
18:05:34 <Zakim> +Kim_Patch
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18:07:28 <allanj> scribe: jallan
18:07:44 <allanj> question: resolution to publish?
18:07:44 <kford> agenda+ great group consensus on publishing.
18:08:02 <allanj> open item 3
18:08:18 <allanj> Need to get a TR document published
18:08:41 <allanj> Resolution: Publish a TR draft
18:08:41 <kford> zakim, take up item 3
18:08:41 <Zakim> agendum 3. "great group consensus on publishing." taken up [from kford]
18:08:52 <kford> zakim, close item 3
18:08:52 <Zakim> agendum 3, great group consensus on publishing., closed
18:08:53 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:08:53 <Zakim> 1. charter survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20130227/results [from allanj]
18:09:01 <kford> zakim, take up item 1
18:09:01 <Zakim> agendum 1. "charter survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20130227/results" taken up [from allanj]
18:11:43 <allanj> Charter consensus 15 March
18:12:55 <allanj> current charter http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/uawg_charter.html
18:13:41 <allanj> topic: introduction
18:14:37 <allanj> jim and kelly no change
18:14:42 <allanj> js: change date
18:14:58 <allanj> all ok with intro
18:15:04 <allanj> topic: Scope
18:15:48 <allanj> jim:  	6. best practices. Seems like a lot to do given the number of working members.
18:16:15 <allanj> js: if 6 not in charter we can't work on it.
18:16:26 <allanj> kp: thinks we should keep 6
18:17:15 <allanj> gl: fix typo 'info' to 'into' in item 7
18:18:06 <allanj> js: WAI 3.0 combine all WAI guidelines into 1 big document
18:18:33 <allanj> gl: WAI 3.0 is ambiguous
18:18:46 <allanj> ... what does it mean?
18:18:50 <jeanne> JS: this is a very loose name for a number of ideas for future work
18:19:25 <allanj> WAI 3.0 should be explained more in the Charter
18:21:13 <allanj> js: 1. Scope are things we might work on. 1.1 things we must do.
18:22:00 <allanj> gl: rephrase 1.1 Implementations of UAAG 2.0 during Candidate Recommendation to be ...
18:22:17 <allanj> ... during CR there will be implementations of UAAG 2.0
18:22:33 <jeanne> During Candidate Recommendation phase, there will be implementations of UAAG 2.0.
18:24:17 <allanj> topic: Deliverables
18:24:57 <allanj> jim, kelly, jeanne, kim, simon, greg ok
18:25:42 <allanj> topic: dependencies
18:26:43 <allanj> js: removing Text Samples workforce as it no longer meets.
18:27:41 <jeanne> UAAG 2.0 will rely on the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0 to set out best practices for web content;
18:27:42 <allanj> change bullet 1 to 'best practices for web content'
18:27:59 <allanj> all ok.
18:28:57 <allanj> topic: milestones
18:31:52 <allanj> getting to last call - 3 months with some extended telecons
18:32:53 <allanj> kp: 4 months with at least a 2 day call or f2f
18:33:13 <allanj> topic: writing tests
18:33:22 <allanj> jim: 9-12 months
18:33:34 <allanj> kf: 6 months
18:33:41 <allanj> js: 9 months
18:35:34 <allanj> atag testing document http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2012/ATAG20tests/ATAG2-10April2012PublicWD-Tests-rev20121119
18:38:06 <allanj> write off line, review during calls. try to only look at it once.
18:39:00 <allanj> lean on conservative estimate
18:39:34 <allanj> ok for 9 months!
18:39:53 <allanj> topic: last call comments
18:40:30 <allanj> js: this will occur at same time as writing tests
18:40:49 <allanj> js: 9 months
18:40:57 <allanj> ja: +1
18:44:12 <Zakim> -sharper
18:45:04 <allanj> js: should have tests written while waiting for LC comments
18:47:37 <allanj> ja: concerned with to short a timeline.
18:48:06 <allanj> js: 1 year - test and comments
18:48:12 <allanj> kp: +1
18:50:48 <allanj> gl: 2 years...these things take lots longer
18:51:19 <allanj> ja: split and call it 18 months
18:51:37 <allanj> scribe: allanj
18:55:07 <allanj> js: expect about 250 comments
18:57:26 <allanj> js: charter is only good for 3 years
18:57:48 <allanj> kf: given current estimates we are at 40 months
18:59:01 <allanj> js: 2 months final assembly
18:59:20 <allanj> js: 12 months testing
19:00:38 <jeanne> s/2 months final assembly
19:00:38 <jeanne> <allanj> js: 12 months testing/12 months Proposed Recommendation and AC review
19:01:00 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
19:01:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-ua-minutes.html jeanne
19:02:42 <allanj> kf: LC 4
19:02:43 <jeanne> KF: 4 months until Last Call
19:03:03 <jeanne> KF: 22 months for Writing tests and responding to LC comments
19:03:42 <jeanne> KF: 12 months for Implementation testing
19:04:12 <jeanne> s/ s/2 months final assembly//
19:04:53 <jeanne>  s/js: 12 months testing/12 months Proposed Recommendation and AC review//2 Proposed Recommendation
19:09:55 <allanj> js: testing - 2 implementations for each SC, and it exists in the 'real world'
19:12:22 <allanj> browsers, mobile, media player, extensions X platforms/OS
19:14:07 <allanj> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Countries_by_most_used_web_browser.svg
19:15:24 <allanj> consensus 22 Months Writing and responding LC
19:15:41 <jeanne> action: jeanne to update the charter for the group to approve for next week.
19:15:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-805 - Update the charter for the group to approve for next week. [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2013-03-14].
19:16:42 <allanj> 12 months Implementation testing and AC etc.
19:18:00 <allanj> next week, review charter try to wrap conformance.
19:18:06 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
19:18:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-ua-minutes.html allanj
19:18:23 <Zakim> -kford
19:18:25 <Zakim> -Kim_Patch
19:18:25 <Zakim> -Jeanne
19:18:32 <Zakim> -Jim_Allan
19:18:34 <Zakim> -Greg_Lowney
19:18:35 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended
19:18:35 <Zakim> Attendees were kford, Jim_Allan, Greg_Lowney, sharper, Jeanne, Kim_Patch
19:18:44 <allanj> zakim, please part
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19:19:17 <Greg> I was wrong, we currently have 137 SC.
19:19:27 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
19:19:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-ua-minutes.html allanj
19:19:41 <allanj> 137 - YIKES!!
19:20:55 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
19:20:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-ua-minutes.html allanj
19:21:41 <allanj> regrets: eric
19:21:47 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
19:21:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-ua-minutes.html allanj
19:21:59 <allanj> rrsagent, please part
19:21:59 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-ua-actions.rdf :
19:21:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jeanne to update the charter for the group to approve for next week. [1]
19:21:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/03/07-ua-irc#T19-15-41