IRC log of prov on 2013-03-07
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be PROV
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- ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
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- Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 07 March 2013
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- trackbot, start telcon
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be PROV
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- ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
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- Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 07 March 2013
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- Zakim, this will be PROV
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- ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
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- Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.03.07
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- Chair: Luc Moreau
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- Hi, I am looking for a scribe
- 15:50:29 [dgarijo]
- Luc, I see no scribe volunteer. I can scribe if needed.
- 15:50:51 [dgarijo]
- :)
- 15:53:44 [Luc]
- thank you daniel, it's very appreciated!
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- scribe dgarijo
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- scribe: dgarijo
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- SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started
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- +??P9
- 15:58:37 [dgarijo]
- Zakim, ??P9 is me
- 15:58:37 [Zakim]
- +dgarijo; got it
- 15:59:07 [Luc]
- topic: admin
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- +[IPcaller]
- 15:59:59 [jun]
- zakim, [IPcaller] is me
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- +jun; got it
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- + +44.238.059.aaaa
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- + +1.818.731.aabb
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- zakim, +44.238.059.aaaa is me
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- +Luc; got it
- 16:01:15 [Luc]
- zakim, who is here?
- 16:01:15 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see dgarijo, jun, Luc, +1.818.731.aabb
- 16:01:16 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see TallTed, Curt, Paolo, Luc, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, gk1, jun, dgarijo, stain, trackbot
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- +Curt_Tilmes
- 16:01:27 [ivan]
- zakim, dial ivan-voip
- 16:01:28 [Zakim]
- ok, ivan; the call is being made
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- +Ivan
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- - +1.818.731.aabb
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- + +44.131.467.aacc
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- zakim, mute me
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- Ivan should now be muted
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- +[IPcaller]
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- + +1.818.731.aadd
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- TallTed has changed the topic to: Provenance WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ -- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.03.07
- 16:02:43 [Luc]
- ```http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-02-28
- 16:02:43 [dgarijo]
- Luc: update to proposed recommendation, we'll have a look to the timetable and the date of the end of the wg.
- 16:02:51 [Zakim]
- +[OpenLink]
- 16:02:53 [Luc]
- proposed: to accept the minutes of Feb 28, 2013
- 16:02:55 [dgarijo]
- +1
- 16:03:00 [ivan]
- +1
- 16:03:01 [Curt]
- +1
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- +1
- 16:03:22 [gk1]
- Oops, just seen the time. Connecting.
- 16:03:22 [Paolo]
- +1
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- 16:03:47 [Luc]
- resolved: the minutes of Feb 28, 2013
- 16:03:48 [jcheney]
- just joined, irc was slow
- 16:04:14 [dgarijo]
- Luc: pending action on me, I will look at the faq.
- 16:04:15 [Luc]
- topic: PR update
- 16:04:30 [Luc]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PublicationRequestMarch12
- 16:04:41 [dgarijo]
- ... the first news is that we sent a publication request for all publications
- 16:04:51 [ivan]
- no
- 16:04:52 [dgarijo]
- ... haven't heard from the webmaster yet
- 16:04:56 [ivan]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Ivan should no longer be muted
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- +[IPcaller]
- 16:05:02 [dgarijo]
- ... ivan, are you still in MIT?
- 16:05:04 [dgarijo]
- Ivan: no
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- 16:05:48 [dgarijo]
- Luc: we have the transition teleconference this week where we will say whether we are ok to progress.
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- Ivan: remind me tomorrow about the media type stuff
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- +??P19
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- +??P20
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- +Satya_Sahoo
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- Zakim, ??P19 is Christine
- 16:06:31 [Zakim]
- +Christine; got it
- 16:06:34 [TomDN]
- Zakim, ?P20 is probably me
- 16:06:34 [Zakim]
- sorry, TomDN, I do not understand your question
- 16:06:41 [dgarijo]
- Luc: I looked at the tracker and no outstanding issues against prov dm, constraints, notes, prov-o html
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- Zakim, ??P20 is probably me
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- +TomDN?; got it
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- +??P26
- 16:07:00 [dgarijo]
- ... Issue 116 is an issue against prov-o
- 16:07:07 [Luc]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/10
- 16:07:15 [Luc]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/610
- 16:07:36 [dgarijo]
- ivan: having an issue for proposed rec is not good.
- 16:07:58 [dgarijo]
- Luc: I think it's more related to prov-aq than prov-o
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- Luc: are you talking about domain specific specializations of prov-o
- 16:09:14 [dgarijo]
- GK: No, just about query profiling. I don't think it has to do with queries.
- 16:09:27 [dgarijo]
- ivan: I don't remember this having been discussed.
- 16:09:52 [Zakim]
- + +329331aaee
- 16:10:03 [jcheney]
- this seems like it could be handled in a faq/best practice doc
- 16:10:09 [dgarijo]
- ... it suggests to define subsets of prov-o with different ontologies, etc. I'm not saying that I fully understand, but I don't think we've got to do that.
- 16:10:14 [SamCoppens]
- zakim, +329331aaee is me
- 16:10:14 [Zakim]
- +SamCoppens; got it
- 16:10:15 [dgarijo]
- ... it's not an aq thing
- 16:11:02 [dgarijo]
- Luc: what I would've liked is a formal response from the group
- 16:11:15 [dgarijo]
- ... because we can't go on the call with this issue
- 16:11:28 [satya]
- The primary issue of different models for "statements, named graphs, resources" does not make sense - there is no distinction between these terms
- 16:11:40 [dgarijo]
- GK: the sense that I'm getting is the concern about interoperability of applications
- 16:13:11 [satya]
- sort of - from RDF perspective they do not entail different "ontologies"
- 16:13:51 [ivan]
- it would serve your effort greatly,
- 16:13:52 [ivan]
- if you would add to the standard clear specifications for the
- 16:13:52 [dgarijo]
- Ivan: I think it's going a bit beyond that and I don't think we want to do that
- 16:13:53 [ivan]
- ontology subset and the interpretation to be applied to the
- 16:13:54 [ivan]
- respective terms for certain known use cases for rdf stores and
- 16:13:55 [ivan]
- sparql services.
- 16:14:32 [dgarijo]
- ... defining subsets for various use cases. We should not do that, but we should have answered.
- 16:15:12 [dgarijo]
- ... We already had a categorization of the terms in prov-o. Not along the lines they propose, but along the lines of complexity.
- 16:15:27 [dgarijo]
- ... They are very clearly defined subparts of prov-o and others.
- 16:15:53 [dgarijo]
- ... so my answer would be that we already have sort of profiles, even though we don't call them that way
- 16:16:02 [GK]
- @ivan, where did your quote come from?
- 16:16:21 [dgarijo]
- ... the quote comes from the original mail
- 16:16:31 [dgarijo]
- (issue 610)
- 16:16:32 [satya]
- @Ivan, agree - rdf stores and sparql services are not "use cases" for creating prov-o profiles
- 16:16:53 [dgarijo]
- ... we have profiles, just not the ones he proposes.
- 16:17:29 [dgarijo]
- ... sparql services are not use cases, satya is right.
- 16:17:42 [dgarijo]
- ... we should add an apology, because we overlooked this.
- 16:18:24 [dgarijo]
- Luc: the challenge is that there have been a discussion on whether this should be assigned.
- 16:18:51 [dgarijo]
- ivan: well, in reality is kind of a DM issue. PROV-O is just a serialization.
- 16:19:12 [dgarijo]
- Luc: we would need someone to spend a little of time so we can respond today to the reviewer.
- 16:19:24 [dgarijo]
- ... I can't do it before several hours.
- 16:19:56 [dgarijo]
- ... is there a volunteer who could draft a response shortly after the end of this call?
- 16:20:10 [dgarijo]
- Ivan: I have another call right after this.
- 16:20:23 [dgarijo]
- Luc: simon?
- 16:20:44 [dgarijo]
- smiles: I have a meeting after this one, but I can try to draft something
- 16:20:54 [dgarijo]
- ---too much echo ---
- 16:20:56 [TomDN]
- Zakim, who is noisy
- 16:20:56 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is noisy', TomDN
- 16:21:02 [TomDN]
- Zakim, who is noisy?
- 16:21:12 [Zakim]
- TomDN, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P26 (29%)
- 16:21:47 [dgarijo]
- ivan: simon, if you look at the irc where everything is summarized.
- 16:21:58 [dgarijo]
- smiles: I'll try to do this now.
- 16:22:40 [dgarijo]
- Luc: In PROV we don't talk about profiles ---echo---
- 16:23:13 [Luc]
- q?
- 16:23:17 [dgarijo]
- Luc: is that ok?
- 16:23:23 [dgarijo]
- simon: I'll gove it a go.
- 16:23:50 [dgarijo]
- Luc: ivan, did you submit a response to ?aena?
- 16:24:14 [dgarijo]
- Luc: it needs to be done.
- 16:24:34 [Luc]
- topic: Timetable to Recommendations and Notes
- 16:25:00 [dgarijo]
- Luc: what is going to happen after the 12th?
- 16:25:16 [dgarijo]
- ivan: the documents that are in a recommendation track are done.
- 16:25:35 [dgarijo]
- ... the documents are not under the control of the group
- 16:25:56 [dgarijo]
- ... if you guys find spelling mistakes that can be adressed.
- 16:26:23 [SamCoppens]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:26:23 [Zakim]
- SamCoppens should now be muted
- 16:27:00 [dgarijo]
- ... if we have a company that doesn't vote, then it's not right.
- 16:27:16 [dgarijo]
- ... if someone opposes then we have to go back, although it's not usual.
- 16:27:31 [dgarijo]
- ... there is a transition call, but that happens just if we have a problem
- 16:28:06 [dgarijo]
- ... we also have to finish the notes, but that is another issue.
- 16:28:18 [dgarijo]
- Luc: what is the date for recommendations?
- 16:28:33 [dgarijo]
- ivan: we had a date in the documents themselves.
- 16:28:49 [dgarijo]
- Luc: the 9th of April
- 16:29:52 [dgarijo]
- ivan: on the 9th the vote closes, on the 10th we check everything is fine, and we send the request to the editor for publication and then finding a date with the web master.
- 16:30:03 [dgarijo]
- ... the problem is that the 9th I'm in Beijing
- 16:30:35 [dgarijo]
- ... The week of the first I'm at home, so we can prepare the mail that has to be sent to the director.
- 16:30:48 [dgarijo]
- ... otherwise we have to wait until the week of the 15th
- 16:31:00 [dgarijo]
- Luc: week of the 15th I'm not available.
- 16:31:29 [dgarijo]
- ... we can send the email 9th or 10th, that is not a problem.
- 16:32:08 [dgarijo]
- ivan: the question comes back to you. The email is easy. The question is what is the realistic publication date after the 9th?
- 16:32:43 [dgarijo]
- ... i have the impression that it's going to be either the 25th or the 13th of the next month
- 16:33:02 [dgarijo]
- Luc: then it would have to be staged on th 12th.
- 16:33:18 [dgarijo]
- s/13th/30th
- 16:33:39 [dgarijo]
- ivan: we can leave it for the 30th.
- 16:33:56 [dgarijo]
- Luc: 23rd of April is when all documents must be staged
- 16:34:05 [GK]
- FWIW, I shall be away from mid-April until mid-May, with very intermittent Internet access
- 16:34:13 [dgarijo]
- ... 30th is the publication date.
- 16:34:42 [dgarijo]
- ivan: Luc, please ping me the week when I'm in Beijing so we can deal with this.
- 16:35:50 [Luc]
- q?
- 16:35:58 [smiles]
- yes
- 16:35:58 [dgarijo]
- Luc: I'd like all editors to come up with that time table to produce the final version of their documents for internal review before the final vote and "camera ready version" of the 23
- 16:36:00 [dgarijo]
- yes
- 16:36:27 [GK]
- (Works for me, as long as there aren't last-minute changes.)
- 16:37:10 [dgarijo]
- Luc: I will circulate a wikipage so you can circulate your proposed time tables
- 16:37:53 [dgarijo]
- Luc: Tom raised a number of issues in the tracker. Please start the discussion there and try to get resolution.
- 16:37:54 [TomDN]
- that's the plan!
- 16:37:54 [Luc]
- q?
- 16:38:04 [dgarijo]
- Luc: anything else?
- 16:38:11 [Luc]
- topic: End of Provenance Working Group
- 16:38:30 [dgarijo]
- Luc: When do we finish the activities of PROV?
- 16:39:11 [Luc]
- q?
- 16:39:12 [dgarijo]
- ... there are a number of activities that remain to be done before finishing the wg
- 16:39:31 [Curt]
- Can we move the FAQ to a place we can still edit after the working group formally ends?
- 16:39:36 [dgarijo]
- ivan: formally speaking the charter goes by end of summer. It's our choice
- 16:40:16 [dgarijo]
- ... only one thing: the namespace documents, it would be nice if those docs where finalized.
- 16:40:31 [GK]
- (+1 final NS with published docs)
- 16:40:53 [dgarijo]
- ... the provenance metadata can be postponed. It's not a big deal. But the namespace docs should be finished.
- 16:41:18 [dgarijo]
- Luc: Paul is also keen to have that done by the end of the group.
- 16:41:32 [dgarijo]
- ... we should start to organize that from next week
- 16:41:52 [dgarijo]
- Ivan: when the group stops eventually the wikipages become read-onñy
- 16:42:07 [GK]
- I think the FAQ is likely to be an ongoing thing. Maybe needs a new home?
- 16:42:08 [dgarijo]
- s/onñy/only
- 16:42:19 [ivan]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/PROV
- 16:42:39 [dgarijo]
- ivan: that link^^ continued to be a living page
- 16:42:53 [dgarijo]
- ... it should be mantained after the group is over
- 16:43:14 [dgarijo]
- ... it would be nice if the implementations were added to the core wikipage
- 16:43:15 [ivan]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Tools
- 16:44:08 [dgarijo]
- ivan: in the previous link it would be good to add those tools part of the implementation. It's not related to the wg formally but it would be good if that was done at some point
- 16:44:59 [Luc]
- q?
- 16:45:09 [dgarijo]
- Luc: it seems to me that is pointless to keep the wg just for completing the provenance of docs an filling wiki pages, so I would recommend to finish the activities after we are done with the publication
- 16:45:10 [GK]
- 4-6 weeks after publication seems reasonable
- 16:45:20 [jcheney]
- q+
- 16:45:55 [Luc]
- q?
- 16:46:06 [dgarijo]
- ... the energy dedicated to the group is reduced every week, so it would be nice to end everything now.
- 16:46:29 [dgarijo]
- james: is there potential for an update of the notes after CR?
- 16:46:51 [ivan]
- s/CR/PR/
- 16:46:59 [smiles]
- OK, I've written a proposed response to the PROV-O issue:
- 16:47:01 [smiles]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ResponsesToPublicCommentsCR#ISSUE-610_.28query_profiles_and_use_cases_not_normative.29
- 16:47:35 [dgarijo]
- ivan: for semantics the final publication is when we publish the rec, not the pr
- 16:48:09 [dgarijo]
- ... formally for a note the group can issue as many reviews as the user considers necessary while the group exists.
- 16:48:11 [pgroth]
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- 16:48:40 [dgarijo]
- ...but we have agreed to stop the activity shortly after publication, so this will not be the case.
- 16:49:12 [dgarijo]
- james: whaving a littte bit of time would be great, but I'm not going to be pushing this forward.
- 16:49:32 [dgarijo]
- s/whaving/having
- 16:49:52 [dgarijo]
- james: ok, now i know what is the deadline.
- 16:50:06 [Luc]
- Topic: PROV-AQ
- 16:50:51 [dgarijo]
- ivan: simon's review is more important, lets' handle that
- 16:50:54 [dgarijo]
- Luc: ok
- 16:51:19 [GK]
- q+ to ask if its worth noting that we plan to create an FAQ
- 16:52:25 [satya]
- * sorry have to leave
- 16:52:28 [Zakim]
- -Satya_Sahoo
- 16:52:44 [Luc]
- q?
- 16:52:47 [dgarijo]
- ivan: I think the bullet point about extensions makes it more complicated. Let's just remove it.
- 16:52:50 [jcheney]
- q-
- 16:52:50 [dgarijo]
- smiles: ok
- 16:53:09 [Luc]
- ack jch
- 16:53:11 [Luc]
- q?
- 16:53:49 [Luc]
- q?
- 16:54:08 [dgarijo]
- GK: the response looks good (some comments about the third bullet, I could not log them)
- 16:54:24 [Luc]
- proposed: take http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ResponsesToPublicCommentsCR#ISSUE-610_.28query_profiles_and_use_cases_not_normative.29 as the group response to issue 610
- 16:54:36 [GK]
- My comment was to include reference to the FAQ for covering best practice related matters
- 16:54:46 [dgarijo]
- @GK: thx.
- 16:54:52 [TomDN]
- +1
- 16:54:54 [ivan]
- +1
- 16:54:55 [SamCoppens]
- +1
- 16:54:55 [Curt]
- +1
- 16:54:57 [dgarijo]
- Luc, ivan: looks good to me
- 16:54:58 [smiles]
- +1 :)
- 16:54:59 [dgarijo]
- +1
- 16:55:03 [GK]
- +1
- 16:55:06 [hook]
- +1
- 16:55:10 [jcheney]
- +1
- 16:55:15 [Luc]
- Accepted: take http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ResponsesToPublicCommentsCR#ISSUE-610_.28query_profiles_and_use_cases_not_normative.29 as the group response to issue 610
- 16:55:18 [dgarijo]
- Luc: I'll send the email today.
- 16:55:35 [Luc]
- Topic: PROV-AQ
- 16:56:01 [gk1]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/5
- 16:56:40 [dgarijo]
- Luc: I'm keen to not repeat the review process for final publication. There are still a lot of outstanding issues. Paul proposed next steps. GK, what do you think?
- 16:57:18 [dgarijo]
- GK: there were quite a lot of issues pending review since last year, so those are going to be closed (no objection).
- 16:57:28 [pgroth]
- i was proposing another round of review
- 16:58:07 [dgarijo]
- ... Unless there are any disagreements, we are in pretty good shape. I'm going to push the "open" issues. Also I have repsonses to the review comments.
- 16:58:40 [dgarijo]
- ... I'll try to reach agreement in the outstanding issues.
- 16:59:19 [pgroth]
- @GK1 I'm still keen on having another round review
- 16:59:19 [dgarijo]
- Luc: to make progress I'd like to support your decission of closing the issues pending review. Is the group satisfied with this?
- 16:59:27 [Luc]
- resolved: close issues marked "pending review" for prov-aq
- 17:00:06 [dgarijo]
- ... the second item, to look at the open issues and have reslutions on them. You plan to propose resolutions and vote, right?
- 17:00:21 [dgarijo]
- GK: the resolutions are there, I'll just ask the group.
- 17:00:26 [dgarijo]
- ... by mail.
- 17:01:17 [dgarijo]
- Luc: I'd suggest then that you put forward a proposal and ask if the group is supportive plus a vote (3 days). If there is no agreement then we can discuss it at the telecon
- 17:01:28 [Zakim]
- -[IPcaller]
- 17:01:57 [Luc]
- q?
- 17:02:07 [Luc]
- ack gk
- 17:02:07 [Zakim]
- GK, you wanted to ask if its worth noting that we plan to create an FAQ
- 17:02:11 [dgarijo]
- GK: I'd like to have this done by the end of the month
- 17:02:18 [GK]
- q-
- 17:02:33 [dgarijo]
- Luc: when write the timetable for the paq take that into account
- 17:02:48 [dgarijo]
- Luc: paul, any comments?
- 17:03:20 [dgarijo]
- ivan: for next week don't forget that the call is 1 hour earlier!
- 17:03:27 [SamCoppens]
- Bye!
- 17:03:28 [dgarijo]
- Bbye
- 17:03:29 [GK]
- … for Europeans!!!
- 17:03:30 [Zakim]
- -jun
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- -[IPcaller.a]
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- - +44.131.467.aacc
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- -Ivan
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- -TallTed
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- Bye
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- -TomDN?
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- Attendees were dgarijo, jun, +1.818.731.aabb, Luc, Curt_Tilmes, Ivan, +44.131.467.aacc, [IPcaller], +1.818.731.aadd, TallTed, Satya_Sahoo, Christine, TomDN?, SamCoppens
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