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14:53:04 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:53:04 <trackbot> Date: 01 March 2013
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14:59:37 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
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15:01:14 <MaryJo> zakim, aaaa is MaryJo
15:01:14 <Zakim> +MaryJo; got it
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15:01:38 <Loic> Zakim, ??P6 is me
15:01:38 <Zakim> +Loic; got it
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15:02:00 <MaryJo> scribe: Mary_Jo_Mueller
15:03:05 <MaryJo> scribenick: MaryJo
15:03:42 <MaryJo> topic: EU Mandate 376
15:04:20 <BBailey> q+
15:04:24 <MaryJo> EU M376 has gone out for Public Enquiry
15:04:49 <andisnow> ack bbailey
15:04:59 <MaryJo> The European Commission and European public procurement agencies, are invited to send their comments specifically to:  production@cencenelec.eu
15:05:09 <Zakim> +[Oracle]
15:05:39 <MaryJo> There is no official page, but the draft can be downloaded from http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301500_301599/301549/01.00.00_20/en_301549v010000c.pdf
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15:06:15 <korn> Zakim, who is here?
15:06:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see MaryJo, Bruce_Bailey, Gregg_Vanderheiden, [Microsoft], Andi_Snow_Weaver, Loic, ??P7, David_MacDonald, [Oracle]
15:06:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see korn, Mike_P, Loic, BBailey, Zakim, RRSAgent, andisnow, MaryJo, MichaelC, trackbot
15:06:20 <korn> Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn
15:06:21 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
15:06:37 <MaryJo> There is currently no official method for the U.S. Access Board to make any comment.
15:06:58 <MaryJo> zakim, next item
15:06:58 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
15:07:10 <Loic> Zakim, ??P7 is Mike_P
15:07:10 <Zakim> +Mike_P; got it
15:07:26 <MaryJo> Topic: Continue discussion of comparison with M376
15:07:27 <andisnow> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/cross-cutting-issues-and-notes/comparison-to-m376
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15:09:15 <Zakim> +Peter
15:12:39 <andisnow> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/Jan232013/results
15:14:03 <MaryJo> SC 2.2.1: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/Jan232013/results#xq4
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15:15:50 <greggvanderheiden> just got In - can you repost the url?
15:17:04 <MaryJo> s/just got In - can you repost the url?//
15:17:06 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:17:08 <andisnow> q+
15:17:27 <korn> q+
15:17:40 <andisnow> ack gregg
15:18:41 <MaryJo> The WCAG2ICT left 'content' because it was a more generic term that applies to software and documents.
15:20:16 <andisnow> ack andi
15:21:46 <MaryJo> EU M376 replaced 'content' with 'software' and also with 'documents' because software developers would understand the term software better than content.
15:22:00 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:22:05 <greggvanderheiden> ack k
15:22:33 <andisnow> ack gregg
15:24:57 <korn> q+
15:25:28 <David> +1
15:25:32 <andisnow> ack korn
15:25:52 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:26:11 <greggvanderheiden> ack k
15:26:50 <Mike_P> +1
15:26:54 <MaryJo> Proposal was made to replace 'content' in this SC with 'documents and software'.
15:27:19 <andisnow> ack gregg
15:27:30 <MaryJo> There are 4 or 5 SC that use 'content' in the text, so this should be put out for another survey.
15:29:58 <MaryJo> We won't change the text now, but will survey the word replacements first and if consensus is reached, will get updated in our document.
15:30:51 <Loic> q+
15:31:06 <andisnow> ack loic
15:31:13 <korn> q+
15:31:37 <Mike_P> +1
15:31:43 <Mike_P> +q
15:33:40 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:33:43 <andisnow> q+
15:33:47 <greggvanderheiden> ack k
15:33:56 <MaryJo> SC 2.4.1 - We now have different guidance than M376, but this is not a SC we would have have for documents.
15:34:57 <andisnow> ack mike
15:35:04 <MaryJo> We weren't allowed to say any SC didn't apply, but if M376 made a decision to not make this apply is OK.
15:35:07 <andisnow> q+ Alex
15:35:15 <andisnow> q-
15:36:01 <andisnow> ack gregg
15:36:16 <Mike_P> q+
15:36:31 <MaryJo> s/but if M376/but the fact that M376/
15:39:23 <andisnow> ack alex
15:39:39 <korn> q+
15:41:31 <andisnow> ack mike
15:42:04 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:42:08 <andisnow> ack korn
15:42:47 <David> +1
15:43:00 <andisnow> ack gregg
15:46:48 <MaryJo> We do have consensus that we cannot change our WCAG2ICT document, due to our work statement.
15:47:31 <korn> q+
15:48:09 <andisnow> ack korn
15:48:19 <korn> M376 doesn't apply this SC to documents.
15:48:19 <korn> 
15:48:19 <korn> No change.
15:48:19 <korn> 
15:48:19 <korn> Rationale: WCAG2ICT constrained to finding ways to apply all SCs if possible, and further constrainted to only apply this to sets.
15:49:55 <greggvanderheiden> Rationale: WCAG2ICT constrained to finding ways to apply all SCs if possible, and further constrainted to apply the SC only to Sets of (documents or software) and not to individual documents or software
15:50:06 <BBailey> +1
15:50:24 <Mike_P> +1
15:50:37 <korn> Rationale: WCAG2ICT constrained to finding ways to apply all SCs if possible, and further constrainted to apply this SC only to sets of (documents or software) and not to individual documents or to software generally.
15:52:13 <korn> No change.
15:52:13 <korn> 
15:52:13 <korn> Rationale: WCAG2ICT constrained to finding ways to apply all SCs if possible, and further constrainted to apply this SC only to sets of (documents or software) and not to individual documents or to individual pieces software.
15:53:48 <korn> No change.
15:53:48 <korn> 
15:53:48 <korn> Rationale: WCAG2ICT is constrained to finding ways to apply all SCs if possible, and further constrainted to apply this SC only to "sets" of documents or software, and not to individual documents or to individual pieces software.
15:54:39 <korn> Rationale: WCAG2ICT is constrained to finding ways to apply all SCs if possible, and further constrained to apply this SC only to "sets" of documents or "sets" of software, and not to individual documents or to individual pieces of software.
15:57:12 <andisnow> Rationale: WCAG2ICT is constrained to describing how to apply all SCs, and further constrained to apply this SC only to "sets" of documents or "sets" of software, and not to individual documents or to individual pieces of software.
15:58:10 <andisnow> Rationale: WCAG2ICT is constrained to describing how to apply all SCs to non-web ICT, and further constrained to apply this SC only to "sets" of documents or "sets" of software, and not to individual documents or to individual pieces of software.
15:58:18 <korn> Rationale: WCAG2ICT is constrained to describing how to apply all SCs to non-web ICT and cannot state that they don't aply.  WCAG2ICT is further constrained to apply this SC only to "sets" of documents or "sets" of software, and not to individual documents or to individual pieces of software.
15:58:40 <andisnow> +1
15:59:00 <MaryJo> s/aply/apply/
16:00:03 <korn> q+
16:01:06 <andisnow> ack korn
16:01:23 <korn> q+
16:02:33 <andisnow> q+ alex
16:02:42 <andisnow> ack korn
16:03:44 <greggvanderheiden> q+
16:03:47 <andisnow> ack alex
16:04:17 <korn> q+
16:04:21 <andisnow> ack gregg
16:05:28 <andisnow> Rationale: WCAG2ICT is constrained to describing how to apply all SCs to non-web ICT, not whether they should or should not apply.  WCAG2ICT is further constrained to apply this SC only to "sets" of documents or "sets" of software, and not to individual documents or to individual pieces of software.
16:06:31 <korn> q?
16:07:43 <greggvanderheiden> q+
16:07:47 <andisnow> ack korn
16:09:14 <Mike_P> q+
16:09:18 <andisnow> ack gregg
16:10:14 <BBailey> 1+ to point out that dropping “not whether they should or should not apply” is not harmful and let’s get to concensus.
16:10:14 <andisnow> q+ alex
16:11:17 <BBailey> q+
16:11:30 <andisnow> ack mike
16:11:34 <andisnow> ack alex
16:11:37 <greggvanderheiden> q+
16:11:43 <andisnow> ack bbailey
16:11:50 <korn> q+
16:11:59 <greggvanderheiden> Rationale: WCAG2ICT is constrained to describing how to apply all SCs to non-web ICT, not change or edit the SC.  WCAG2ICT is further constrained to apply this SC only to "sets" of documents or "sets" of software, and not to individual documents or to individual pieces of software.
16:12:26 <David> Q+
16:12:28 <Mike_P> +1
16:13:38 <andisnow> ack gregg
16:13:43 <andisnow> q+ alex
16:15:01 <andisnow> ack korn
16:15:34 <greggvanderheiden> q+
16:15:44 <andisnow> ack david
16:17:22 <andisnow> ack alex
16:20:01 <korn> q+
16:20:05 <andisnow> "Rationale: WCAG2ICT is constrained to describing how to apply all SCs to  non-web ICT, not change them or their scope, non state whether they should or should not apply."
16:20:27 <andisnow> s/non state/nor state/
16:21:08 <andisnow> ack gregg
16:21:43 <korn> q-
16:22:10 <David> q+
16:23:00 <andisnow> ack david
16:23:24 <Mike_P> q+
16:23:54 <andisnow> ack mike
16:25:02 <BBailey> q+ to ask to have the several variants in survey
16:26:16 <Mike_P> +1
16:27:22 <MaryJo> Proposal that we put the variants of our rationale for this SC into a survey.
16:27:38 <korn> The TF scope limits us to...
16:28:23 <BBailey> The TF scope charges us with...
16:31:12 <Zakim> -MaryJo
16:32:44 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
16:32:45 <andisnow> survey proposals and also try to address David's concern about "constrains". Something like the task force work statement limits us.
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16:38:39 <andisnow> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:40:53 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.512.422.aaaa, Bruce_Bailey, Gregg_Vanderheiden, [Microsoft], Andi_Snow_Weaver, MaryJo, Loic, David_MacDonald, Peter_Korn, Mike_P, Peter
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