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10:06:58 <daveL> meeting xliff roundtrip tc
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10:07:08 <daveL> scribe:
10:07:15 <daveL> scribe: daveL
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10:09:00 <daveL> clarified that Milan m4loc service does not consume the term annotation and the internal glossary
10:19:44 <daveL> m4loc does the look up internally return a pointer to the target ref in dbpedia (identRef only)
10:21:03 <daveL> agreed - will try using enrycher using html sample as input
10:22:21 <daveL> tadej will update live service with ta instead of disambig. Leroy will add this and then geenrate XLIFF through extraction and segmentation
10:22:51 <daveL> david: what is status of namespace for its-x
10:23:44 <daveL> present; david, dave, tadej, milan, phillip, leroy, ankit
10:24:16 <daveL> namespace: agree to use 'itsx' rather than 'its-x'
10:24:39 <daveL> dave will change XLIFF mapping page
10:26:26 <daveL> to reflect this.
10:27:08 <dF> itsx.solas.uni.me or itsx.uni.me
10:27:21 <dF> the latter is preferable if available
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10:30:06 <daveL> this is atemporary solution -need to hand over namespace responsibility it W3C later in 2013
10:30:21 <daveL> topic; mt confidence encoding
10:39:38 <daveL> agreed: use origin and match for mt confidence in the alttrans. If the output is copied and unedited in the trans-unit.translate, that is where mt-confidence should be used.
10:40:54 <daveL> note ankit will have to make that change also. dave will update files.
10:43:35 <Ankit> okay
10:45:00 <daveL> David suggest in the origin just use 'MT' or 'TM' just to differentiate those. and then the provenance record allows recording of the actual tool infomation
10:46:02 <daveL> milan agree to use this also, i.e. using proveance record rather than xliff tool id
10:46:18 <daveL> note that xliff tool id is deprecated anyway and not in XLIFF 2.0
10:47:02 <daveL> topic; status of implementations
10:47:21 <daveL> sean: hoping to test with Ankit by the end of the day
10:48:43 <daveL> ... with milan have tested previously, so just need to retest with new annotations
10:51:16 <daveL> Topic; name of domain(s).
10:51:23 <daveL> agreed stick to 'domain'
10:51:45 <daveL> dave to update in files and in mapping page
10:52:23 <daveL> Also, 'its' namespace needs to be included as itsx namespace for domain
10:52:51 <daveL> topic; term markup
10:53:39 <daveL> glossary entry need to be wrapped in an internal file
10:56:29 <daveL> then use itsx namespace for <glossary-entry>
10:57:05 <daveL> i.e. <glossary><internal-file><itsx:glossary-entry>
10:57:50 <daveL> rrsagent, make log public
10:59:05 <daveL> plan: leroy and sean to start testing tuesday
11:02:30 <daveL> start 10am tuesday for leroy and seam
11:02:52 <daveL> thurday next week: 10 sean and milam, 11 for ankit
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12:49:36 <fsasaki> meeting: MLW-LT WG
12:49:38 <fsasaki> chair: felix
12:49:43 <fsasaki> scribe: all
12:50:07 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0321.html
12:50:20 <fsasaki> topic: roll call
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12:50:39 <fsasaki> present+ felix
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13:06:21 <Yves_> Can we make sure we are muted when we don't talk? the line is a bit noisy.
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13:07:03 <fsasaki> topic: Simple Machine Translation, Translation Package Creation, Quality Check - ENLASO
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13:10:53 <fsasaki> yves giving presentation
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13:14:24 <fsasaki> comment on presentation - reviewers probably don't know the idea of "domain mapping" - may need to explain that briefly
13:14:50 <fsasaki> s/presentation/presentation from yves/
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13:16:00 <fsasaki> pedro: business part?
13:16:06 <fsasaki> yves: is in two slides of the presentation
13:16:18 <fsasaki> .. very generic business value
13:17:19 <fsasaki> topic: CMS implementation of ITS2.0. CMS to TMS System: Drupal to GBC Server / PLINT - Cocomore / Linguaserve
13:17:37 <Declan> agree - good to have mixture of more technical presentations together with business-focused presentations. Very reflective of the project
13:18:04 <fsasaki> +1 to declan
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13:20:10 <fsasaki> clemens presenting cocomore slides
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13:21:26 <fsasaki> I like the "saving time" slides
13:24:11 <fsasaki> it might make sense to have no demo in the presentation, to safe some time
13:24:35 <fsasaki> dave: quantification of business benefits are very good
13:25:06 <fsasaki> .. will you use mlw-lt template?
13:25:13 <fsasaki> clemens: wasn't aware of that
13:25:25 <fsasaki> david: need parts like like european flag
13:26:57 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Rome-lux-prep
13:27:36 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/att-0156/slides-template-v1.pptx
13:28:27 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Rome-lux-prep#Draft_agenda
13:29:57 <fsasaki> pedro: to discuss - we prepared a built. Doing in real time takes longer
13:30:07 <fsasaki> .. for luxembourg we could do this in a film
13:31:12 <fsasaki> cocomore and linguaserve to have a film about their technical interaction
13:31:46 <fsasaki> pedro: for luxembourg we have to pay attention to time
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13:32:42 <fsasaki> film finished by friday 8 march?
13:33:30 <fsasaki> topic: Online MT System Internationalization: ATLAS PW1 / Lucy LT / MaTrEx in www.agenciatributaria.es - Linguaserve / Lucy / DCU
13:34:44 <fsasaki> topic: cat tool usage
13:35:19 <fsasaki> mauricio presenting screen capture
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13:37:43 <fsasaki> pedro: tow other videos
13:37:51 <fsasaki> .. about pre- and postprocessing
13:38:40 <fsasaki> topic: Online MT System Internationalization:
13:39:38 <fsasaki> pedro showing demo
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13:42:03 <fsasaki> connection to dcu server gives an error - needs to be fixed for demo
13:43:58 <fsasaki> slides for client in rome - will use http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/att-0156/slides-template-v1.pptx for luxembourg
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13:46:10 <fsasaki> good to emphasize: the need for the metadata was clear for the linguaserve client - case before MLW-LT
13:48:26 <fsasaki> need to allow time for q/a
13:49:25 <fsasaki> use 10 min tech demo, 10 min business
13:50:40 <fsasaki> emphasize also what is *not* yet finished
13:51:49 <fsasaki> topic: Text Analytics in ITS 2.0: Annotation of Named Entities - JSI
13:53:13 <fsasaki> tadej presenting slides
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13:56:45 <fsasaki> use cases - would add localization workflow, e.g. usage in XLIFF as a way to inform both the human and machine agent
13:57:31 <fsasaki> workflow - automatic domani generation - choice of MT system
13:58:26 <fsasaki> dave: figure out where enrycher is or will be used
13:58:29 <Yves_> To Tadej: That was nice and to the point.
14:00:06 <Yves_> FYI: We have a mention to an Enrycher step in our sildes.
14:01:25 <fsasaki> support of business case
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14:02:40 <fsasaki> quality assurance by humans and MT disambiguation usage of TA annotations
14:02:59 <fsasaki> topic: Reviewer's Workbench
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14:07:27 <fsasaki> make clear what is prototype and what is working
14:10:28 <fsasaki> make business value of LOD clear, e.g. cross-silo queries, gathering statistics across data sets
14:10:48 <fsasaki> topic: ITS 2.0 Metadata and Machine Translation - DCU
14:12:28 <fsasaki> ankit showing slides
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14:14:56 <fsasaki> how to present "life" an MT training system at the review?
14:17:20 <fsasaki> dave: focus on workplan - maybe rather focus on technical aspects?
14:17:41 <fsasaki> ankit: will have demo of MT service + re-training
14:19:52 <fsasaki> topic: HTML-to-TMS Roundtrip using XLIFF with CMS-LION and SOLAS TCD/UL
14:20:36 <fsasaki> david: we are doing xliff-roundtripp
14:20:52 <fsasaki> .. xliff enters platform in two ways: extractor driven by okapi
14:21:00 <fsasaki> .. and via cms-lion
14:21:18 <fsasaki> .. we will show how human consumers can see the display throught the cycle
14:22:42 <fsasaki> felix: can you do a screencast for that?
14:22:56 <fsasaki> dave, david will look at that next week
14:23:53 <fsasaki> felix - by friday next week
14:32:17 <fsasaki> future directions - point out NIF <> ITS connection and this as a way to address "multilayer" issue for text analysis
14:33:11 <fsasaki> also a video would be good
14:34:49 <fsasaki> maurico: advantage of video - you can show what happens in one step
14:34:59 <fsasaki> .. the time for that expected is then clear
14:35:34 <fsasaki> .. in a video you can delete all the steps that just take time, changing between windows etc
14:39:36 <fsasaki> topic: - where to put posters?  - how to integrate other partners? - what to do in 2013 and beyond?
14:40:03 <fsasaki> dave: posters - put on page for presentations in the wiki
14:41:26 <fsasaki> discussion about circle re-do
14:41:54 <Declan> common to give reviewers access to dissemination materials - so we should definitely make them available
14:42:44 <fsasaki> thanks, declan, will send out links before the review
14:43:02 <fsasaki> send out = send out to reviewers
14:46:52 <fsasaki> - how to integrate other partners - make slides showing their use cases
14:47:05 <philr> Apologies I have to drop out now. I'll check the minutes for any last items
14:47:10 <fsasaki> at the end of demo part
14:47:16 <fsasaki> ok, thanks, philr
14:47:41 <fsasaki> make clear then things are delivered
14:48:18 <fsasaki> - what to do in 2013 and beyond?
14:49:29 <fsasaki> "beyond"
14:50:15 <fsasaki> pedro - how to maintain the ITS group
14:50:20 <fsasaki> .. to do a plan for this is important
14:50:36 <fsasaki> .. and how to spread the word and how to evangelize for clients, CMS people etc.
14:50:40 <fsasaki> .. to take into account ITS2
14:50:50 <fsasaki> .. so that people don't finish in 2014
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14:51:11 <fsasaki> .. in 2014 should continue to work ITS2 as a group of work, in conferences etc.
14:51:15 <fsasaki> .. give support to companies
14:51:44 <fsasaki> ... if there is an active group it is easer to get adoption by clients
14:52:01 <fsasaki> .. if clients see a group of people who continue people supporting it
14:52:16 <fsasaki> dave: having a clear path is one part of the continuation
14:52:26 <fsasaki> .. list projects where we leverage MLW-lT
14:52:33 <fsasaki> .. e.g. mention projects we put in
14:52:42 <fsasaki> .. e..g how we use ITS in CNGL2
14:53:00 <fsasaki> .. can send a few points for the slides
14:53:07 <fsasaki> .. also, need to talk about events
14:53:27 <fsasaki> .. e.g. mlw workhsops, FEISGILT event etc.
14:54:23 <fsasaki> pedro: business side also - allowing 3rd parties to use ITS: group could provide support and consultancy
14:54:54 <fsasaki> dave: yes, best practices, making test suite more user friendly etc.
14:55:07 <fsasaki> .. list out best practices we are working on
15:00:03 <fsasaki> topic: one more call
15:00:38 <fsasaki> next week another call, again 1 p.m. UTC, with videos + missing slides
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15:08:42 <RRSAgent> I see no action items