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16:46:07 <olivier> zakim, this will be audio
16:46:08 <Zakim> ok, olivier; I see RWC_Audio()12:00PM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
16:46:36 <olivier> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013JanMar/0327.html
16:46:46 <olivier> Scribe: Olivier
16:46:50 <olivier> ScribeNick: olivier
16:46:55 <olivier> Chair: chrislowis
16:47:09 <olivier> Agenda+ Logistics for the face to face meeting in March
16:47:17 <olivier> Agenda+ Use of EventListener for onaudioprocess
16:47:31 <olivier> Agenda+ MIDI security
16:52:59 <olivier> rrsagent, make logs public
16:53:09 <olivier> Meeting: Audio WG Teleconference
16:53:48 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()12:00PM has now started
16:53:56 <Zakim> + +44.303.040.aaaa
16:54:02 <chrislowis> Zakim, aaaa is  me
16:54:02 <Zakim> +chrislowis; got it
16:54:31 <olivier> zakim, chrislowis also has olivier
16:54:31 <Zakim> +olivier; got it
17:00:21 <Zakim> + +1.862.201.aabb
17:00:27 <cwilso> zakim, aabb is me
17:00:27 <Zakim> +cwilso; got it
17:01:39 <Zakim> + +1.978.314.aacc
17:02:06 <olivier> zakim, aacc is Joe
17:02:07 <Zakim> +Joe; got it
17:02:35 <Zakim> + +1.858.651.aadd
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17:03:02 <olivier> zakim, aadd is gmandyam
17:03:02 <Zakim> +gmandyam; got it
17:04:19 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
17:04:59 <olivier> zakim, who's here?
17:04:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see chrislowis, cwilso, Joe, gmandyam, Doug_Schepers
17:05:00 <Zakim> chrislowis has chrislowis, olivier
17:05:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see gmandyam, RRSAgent, Zakim, olivier, automata, rtoyg, heath, shepazu, cwilso, mdjp, paul___irish, chrislowis, trackbot
17:05:58 <chrislowis> Zakim, what's on the agenda?
17:05:58 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
17:05:59 <Zakim> 1. Logistics for the face to face meeting in March [from olivier]
17:05:59 <Zakim> 2. Use of EventListener for onaudioprocess [from olivier]
17:05:59 <Zakim> 3. MIDI security [from olivier]
17:08:42 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 3
17:08:42 <Zakim> agendum 3. "MIDI security" taken up [from olivier]
17:08:57 <olivier> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-midi-api/issues/3
17:09:31 <olivier> cwilso: if you read the whole thread in the issue, it didn't seem we could separate out any graduation that would be reaully useful
17:09:49 <olivier> … since then have talked to a number of people in security and privacy, and figuring out what MIDI devices can do
17:10:06 <cwilso> still here, just a sec
17:10:15 <olivier> … figured out anything other than exclusive [?] was safe
17:10:43 <olivier> s/exclusive [?]/system exclusive messages/
17:12:17 <olivier> cwilso: similar to gamepad API
17:12:32 <olivier> … was important to call out separation between system exclusive messages and other MIDI support
17:12:52 <olivier> … I added that to the spec, explaining the utility you get from system exclusive messages
17:12:58 <olivier> … we can't just not support it
17:13:06 <olivier> … a number of scenarios use it
17:13:21 <olivier> … so we need to call it out as a separate security model
17:13:37 <olivier> … let the developer state that they want it or not
17:13:51 <olivier> … if (by default) they don't need it then they're fine
17:14:05 <olivier> cwilso: it's mostly a proposal
17:14:33 <olivier> cwilso: Jussi looked at it last night and seemed happy with it
17:14:59 <olivier> chrislowis: not hearing any objection from anyone else either
17:15:17 <olivier> cwilso: happy to go ahead and close, and reopen if there is any objection
17:15:26 <olivier> … goal was to enable as much as possible securely
17:16:12 <olivier> joe: reviewed it too, think it's a great change
17:16:48 <olivier> … only question - should there be a way to provide finer grained capability in the future?
17:17:10 <olivier> cwilso: good question - thought about it
17:17:22 <olivier> … we are already buried in minutiae of MIDI
17:17:29 <olivier> … so tried to make it as simple as possible
17:18:06 <olivier> … avoid "hey do you want to allow MIDI machine control"
17:18:14 <olivier> … users would go "HUH?"
17:18:18 <olivier> joe: agreed
17:18:29 <olivier> RESOLUTION: closing the issue
17:18:39 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 1
17:18:39 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Logistics for the face to face meeting in March" taken up [from olivier]
17:19:41 <olivier> chrislowis: reminder to register
17:19:48 <olivier> olivier: 13 registrants so far
17:20:12 <olivier> … almost all usual suspects except ROC and Jussi, who probably won't make it
17:20:30 <olivier> cwilso: if you're flying, cheapest way from SFO is caltrain
17:20:36 <olivier> … don't rent a car unless you have to
17:20:44 <olivier> … overnight parking is very expensive
17:21:05 <olivier> … do try to fly to SFO not San Jose
17:21:19 <olivier> … (especially at rush hour!)
17:22:35 <olivier> olivier: reminder to tell me if you have to fly at end of second day, so we can have agenda ending early
17:23:33 <olivier> cwilso: also, book your hotel ASAP
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17:24:11 <olivier> olivier: Mr Kawai from Yamaha will be at GDC, would love to meet with people from the group
17:24:24 <olivier> cwilso: ditto Tom White from MMA
17:24:44 <olivier> chrislowis: copy team-audio and we can always schedule some time with them
17:25:15 <olivier> chrislowis: do you think there will be appetite for demos at google office while we're there?
17:25:27 <olivier> cwilso: not sure, will have to ask chrisrogers
17:25:49 <olivier> zakim: take up agendum 2
17:25:54 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 2
17:25:54 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Use of EventListener for onaudioprocess" taken up [from olivier]
17:26:19 <olivier> chrislowis: crogers not in today, probably no point looking at this now
17:26:24 <olivier> … but give people time to look at it
17:26:46 <olivier> Topic: AOB
17:26:51 <olivier> chrislowis: anything else?
17:27:44 <olivier> gmandyam_: discussions at [?] meeting about web audio processing
17:27:58 <olivier> … some of the usual points, already made here, were made there
17:28:07 <olivier> s[?]/WebRTC
17:28:29 <olivier> gmandyam_: surprised because there was a joint meeting in 2011 and it was decided that web audio API was suitable
17:28:53 <chrislowis> olivier: doesn't recall exactly that it was agreed then that ...
17:29:01 <chrislowis> ... web audio api would be suitable
17:29:21 <chrislowis> We should get together with them and reassess why we've chosen the web audio api and why we think it's suitable
17:29:37 <chrislowis> and if it's not to take input into what would make it more suitable
17:30:20 <olivier> gmandyam_: if their concerns are legitimate they should be brought in, but it just seems the 2011 conclusions don't seem to have stuck
17:30:48 <olivier> ACTION: olivier to talk to webrtc chairs, see what their perspective is on web audio API
17:30:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Talk to webrtc chairs, see what their perspective is on web audio API [on Olivier Thereaux - due 2013-03-07].
17:31:04 <olivier> doug: at W3Conf last week, we did something a little bit clever
17:31:30 <olivier> … we were able to take the pointer events spec to LC just before the conf, the editor came and gave a presentation at the conf
17:31:51 <olivier> … also published overview and reference on webplatform.org and webplatformdocs
17:32:02 <olivier> … seems that we could do something similar around web audio
17:32:07 <olivier> … or web midi API
17:32:22 <olivier> … thinking of having next W3Conf in 6 months
17:32:50 <chrislowis> olivier: good idea.
17:33:02 <chrislowis> olivier: I think this is something we could try and tie in to the community group
17:33:14 <chrislowis> ... that we just started to have more of a forum for audio developers to talk
17:33:22 <chrislowis> about how they do things with the APIs
17:33:38 <chrislowis> One of the reasons for starting the group was to see if there would be an appitite
17:33:56 <chrislowis> among the developer community to help us with documentation, tutorials, maybe a primer etc.
17:34:10 <olivier> doug: we were also thinking of having workshops
17:34:14 <olivier> … for next W3Conf
17:34:25 <olivier> … which is being organised near me
17:34:44 <olivier> … would be cool to have web audio workshop in a local club
17:34:48 <olivier> … hacking sounds together
17:35:09 <olivier> [hearing a "sounds fantastic" cry of approval]
17:35:23 <olivier> doug: would be even better if we could get to LC before that
17:35:37 <olivier> … or even delay it so we can announce it at the conf
17:36:08 <olivier> … another great thing to announce there would be (experimental) support in another browser
17:38:35 <olivier> doug: I volunteer cwilso to present at W3Conf
17:38:46 <olivier> … showing both APIs would be great
17:39:05 <olivier> … dates Aug 28/29 2013
17:39:25 <olivier> … Durham, NC
17:40:00 <olivier> … big tech area in the US
17:40:10 <olivier> … giving the east coast a little love
17:40:37 <olivier> Joe: count me in, I'm coming
17:41:29 <olivier> cwilso: will be giving similar talks in late spring
17:42:15 <olivier> chrislowis: doug, please send details of the event to the list
17:42:24 <olivier> doug: still tentative though
17:42:50 <olivier> … pending approval and sponsorship
17:43:02 <olivier> chrislowis: anything else
17:43:06 <olivier> [adjourned]
17:43:11 <Zakim> -Joe
17:43:12 <Zakim> -cwilso
17:43:12 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
17:43:14 <olivier> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:43:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/28-audio-minutes.html olivier
17:43:14 <Zakim> -gmandyam
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17:43:16 <Zakim> Attendees were +44.303.040.aaaa, chrislowis, olivier, +1.862.201.aabb, cwilso, +1.978.314.aacc, Joe, +1.858.651.aadd, gmandyam, Doug_Schepers
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