IRC log of html-media on 2013-02-26
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- Zakim, this will be 63342
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- Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 26 February 2013
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Feb/0111.html
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- Chair: Paul Cotton
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- Zakim, Mark_Watson is markw
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- zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
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- zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Feb/0111.html
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- zakim, aabb is boblund
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- zakim, aabb is me
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- sorry, BobLund, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
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- scribe: joesteele
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- chair: paulc
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- Zakim, this will be 63342
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- ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start 6 minutes ago
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- Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 26 February 2013
- 16:06:59 [joesteele]
- TOPIC: #5 progression to FPWD
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- Zakim, who is speaking?
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- sorry, joesteele, I don't know what conference this is
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- Zakim, this will be HTML-Medai
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- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, joesteele
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- Zakim, this will be HTML-Media
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- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, joesteele
- 16:07:52 [joesteele]
- paulc: Topic is bugs discussed during previous meeting
- 16:08:01 [joesteele]
- TOPIC: Bugs discussed last time
- 16:08:29 [adrianba]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20944
- 16:08:33 [joesteele]
- Bug #20944
- 16:08:37 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20944
- 16:08:43 [joesteele]
- paulc: Is this done?
- 16:09:05 [joesteele]
- paulc: adrian called this out? any more to do?
- 16:09:10 [joesteele]
- adrian: that was it
- 16:09:19 [joesteele]
- paulc; Bug 20960
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- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20960
- 16:09:37 [joesteele]
- paulc: EME not limited to video
- 16:09:48 [joesteele]
- paulc: lots of discussion
- 16:10:00 [joesteele]
- markw: not sure I have made progres
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- +q
- 16:10:25 [joesteele]
- markw: topic is roving across several bugs
- 16:10:50 [joesteele]
- markw: general theme is that EME is not constrained by the spec
- 16:10:58 [joesteele]
- ... not sure how to address this
- 16:11:16 [joesteele]
- ... the intention is for browsers to place constraints, but not sure how to express
- 16:11:49 [joesteele]
- ... because we are not locking it down -- CDM can implement anything
- 16:11:53 [joesteele]
- ... that is the argument
- 16:11:56 [adrianba]
- q+
- 16:12:10 [joesteele]
- markw: certainly possible, what can we do?
- 16:12:26 [joesteele]
- paulc: doesn't look like we can close down
- 16:12:45 [adrianba]
- q?
- 16:13:00 [joesteele]
- paulc: we can add some general spec
- 16:13:07 [paulc]
- ack joe
- 16:13:55 [paulc]
- ack adrian
- 16:14:04 [joesteele]
- joesteele: not sure we can address because the questions are not well-formed
- 16:14:06 [adrianba]
- "This proposal extends HTMLMediaElement providing APIs to control playback of protected content."
- 16:14:21 [joesteele]
- adrianba: this line specifies what the spec is for
- 16:14:42 [joesteele]
- ... we can't do anything in the spec to control what the user agent can do
- 16:14:49 [joesteele]
- ... we can only say what the spec is for
- 16:15:05 [joesteele]
- paulc: mark this as "Won't Fix" with what Adrian says
- 16:15:27 [joesteele]
- ..." we believe the spec is constrained to video elemtns and anything else is out of scope"
- 16:15:34 [joesteele]
- Bug 20961
- 16:15:46 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20961
- 16:16:34 [joesteele]
- paulc: Bugs says -- please include scope of priviledges CDM require so we can evaluate
- 16:17:03 [ddorwin]
- q+
- 16:17:18 [joesteele]
- paulc: do we agree with his statement?
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- ack dd
- 16:17:38 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: has been a discussion of what DRM is and whether it is targeted by this spec
- 16:17:49 [joesteele]
- ... his argument is that the most limiting case is what is proposed
- 16:17:58 [joesteele]
- ... we should not be talking about the other cases
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- paulc: Mark says this is clearly not required in comment #4
- 16:18:18 [adrianba]
- q+
- 16:18:42 [joesteele]
- markw: reporters keeps coming back to claim only full DRM is supported
- 16:19:36 [joesteele]
- paulc: I think we should resolve as "Won't Fix" and repeat Marks statement. His comment #4 is the deifnitive answer
- 16:19:45 [joesteele]
- s/deifnitive/definitive/
- 16:19:46 [adrianba]
- q?
- 16:20:05 [paulc]
- ack adrian
- 16:20:31 [joesteele]
- adrianba: we decided last week to resolve one of the bugs as not to define the CDM in the EME but abstract that away
- 16:20:45 [joesteele]
- ... someone else can define that
- 16:21:05 [joesteele]
- paulc: we decided to make that dependent on all of the other bugs
- 16:21:19 [joesteele]
- ... several of the bugs were going to be marked as dependent
- 16:21:30 [joesteele]
- paulc: did someone do that?
- 16:21:53 [joesteele]
- adrianba; we decided that we would not decide the patented technology bug that way
- 16:22:10 [joesteele]
- ... CDM specifics are outside the scope of EME
- 16:22:24 [joesteele]
- s/adrianba;/adrianba:/
- 16:22:46 [joesteele]
- paulc: suggesting we should use the ame style resolution for 61?
- 16:22:50 [joesteele]
- adrianba: yes
- 16:23:01 [joesteele]
- s/ame style/same style/
- 16:23:07 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20962
- 16:23:08 [joesteele]
- paulc: moving on
- 16:23:15 [joesteele]
- Bug 20962
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- adrianba: resolving as we go
- 16:23:27 [joesteele]
- Bug 20983
- 16:23:45 [joesteele]
- s/Bug 20983/Bug 20963/
- 16:23:57 [joesteele]
- paulc: made dependent on 61 and 44
- 16:24:06 [joesteele]
- ... no discussion needed
- 16:24:12 [joesteele]
- Bug 20965
- 16:24:23 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20965
- 16:24:41 [joesteele]
- s/on 61 and 44/on 20961 and 20944/
- 16:24:51 [joesteele]
- Bug 20966
- 16:25:06 [joesteele]
- paulc: please split ClearKey out
- 16:25:09 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21016
- 16:25:40 [joesteele]
- adrianba: asked Glen to respond and he did
- 16:25:57 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: would be ok with "should" but it is already included
- 16:26:11 [joesteele]
- paulc: how should we resolve?
- 16:26:35 [joesteele]
- paulc: could mark and resolved to force the comment
- 16:26:46 [joesteele]
- ... or we could change the MUST to a SHOULD
- 16:27:03 [joesteele]
- adrianba: don't think that makes a substantial difference
- 16:27:17 [joesteele]
- ... happy with the spec as it is written today
- 16:27:27 [joesteele]
- ... could change SHOULD to MAY
- 16:27:51 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: this should be discussed as a normal bug (for normative text)
- 16:27:59 [joesteele]
- paulc: do we have an advocate for MAY?
- 16:28:14 [joesteele]
- adrianba: not me, no change advocated
- 16:28:55 [joesteele]
- pal: would this resolve the issue?
- 16:29:02 [joesteele]
- paulc: probably not
- 16:29:18 [joesteele]
- ... would meet most of his requirement by making it a MAY
- 16:29:37 [joesteele]
- pal: we can ask Henri in the thread if this will resolve it
- 16:30:06 [joesteele]
- paulc: don't ask permission, ask forgiveness - let's resolve and he can comment if this is a problem
- 16:30:21 [joesteele]
- ... unless there is not concensus to change it
- 16:30:38 [adrianba]
- q+
- 16:30:40 [joesteele]
- joesteele: I think optional is good
- 16:30:52 [joesteele]
- paulc: does anyone object to the change?
- 16:30:55 [adrianba]
- q?
- 16:31:06 [joesteele]
- no objections voiced
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- adrian
- 16:31:29 [joesteele]
- paulc: resolve as WONT FIX and the group agrees
- 16:31:44 [joesteele]
- adrianba: we should resolve later once we have implementation experience
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- paulc: trying to encourage action on this
- 16:32:17 [joesteele]
- ... any objection to RESOLVE LATER?
- 16:32:29 [joesteele]
- ... add the comment about implementation experience
- 16:32:47 [joesteele]
- ... no objections
- 16:32:51 [joesteele]
- Bug 20964
- 16:33:06 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20964
- 16:33:10 [joesteele]
- EME Supports content that depends on server with finit life
- 16:33:18 [joesteele]
- s/finit /finite/
- 16:33:36 [joesteele]
- paulc: was marked as dup but unmarked by reporter
- 16:33:54 [joesteele]
- q+
- 16:34:46 [joesteele]
- adrianba: look at the end
- 16:35:33 [joesteele]
- adrianba: should just close this. Was agreed that the bugs title is a true statement
- 16:35:45 [joesteele]
- paulc: resolve WONT FIX as this is not a bug
- 16:35:51 [adrianba]
- s/adrianba/markw/
- 16:35:55 [joesteele]
- ... any disucssion?
- 16:36:04 [joesteele]
- Bug 20966
- 16:36:15 [joesteele]
- s/disucssion/discussion/
- 16:36:20 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20966
- 16:36:39 [joesteele]
- paulc: looks like a dup of 20965
- 16:37:26 [joesteele]
- paulc: he agrees that is 20965 is resolved this bug is no longer relevant
- 16:38:07 [joesteele]
- I think we could do something about 20965
- 16:38:08 [adrianba]
- 20965 has a comment added to the SOTD
- 16:38:16 [ddorwin]
- 2096
- 16:38:21 [joesteele]
- pal: no discussion about this bug yet
- 16:38:27 [ddorwin]
- oops. ignore.
- 16:38:30 [joesteele]
- paulc: added as an open issue
- 16:38:37 [joesteele]
- ... treat this one as the same
- 16:38:52 [joesteele]
- ... can we treat them as siblings?
- 16:39:19 [joesteele]
- pal: don't understand what the 20966 is saying
- 16:39:48 [joesteele]
- markw: it seems to be saying that for EME to work you have to lose privacy and spec should explain that instead of glossing over
- 16:39:48 [pal]
- s/pal/johnsim
- 16:41:36 [adrianba]
- q+
- 16:41:59 [joesteele]
- paulc: let's treat this as 20965 for now, other folks can add comments for more clarity
- 16:42:02 [paulc]
- ack adrian
- 16:42:12 [joesteele]
- q-
- 16:42:14 [paulc]
- ack joes
- 16:42:35 [joesteele]
- adrianba: comment that I added said this is an open issue
- 16:42:59 [joesteele]
- ... is the proposal to add this bug to that list?
- 16:43:03 [joesteele]
- paulc: yes
- 16:43:25 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: should we change the title of the bug?
- 16:43:55 [joesteele]
- paulc: not sure we understand the bug enough to do that yet -- clarify what trivialize means in this context
- 16:44:31 [joesteele]
- johnsim: need to get that clarification
- 16:44:44 [joesteele]
- paulc: can you draw that out of the reporter John?
- 16:44:48 [joesteele]
- johnsim: yes
- 16:44:59 [joesteele]
- Bug 20967
- 16:45:24 [joesteele]
- EME does not allow independent implementation
- 16:45:33 [joesteele]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20967
- 16:45:42 [joesteele]
- paulc: this was re-opened
- 16:46:16 [joesteele]
- paulc: he wants an independent implementation of the CDM
- 16:46:38 [joesteele]
- pal: nothing in the spec that precludes this, specifically with a shim
- 16:47:10 [joesteele]
- ... if there is something that prevents the shim being written we should know about that
- 16:47:12 [joesteele]
- q+
- 16:47:39 [joesteele]
- paulc: should we use that argument in this argument?
- 16:47:52 [paulc]
- ack joe
- 16:48:33 [markw]
- q+
- 16:48:38 [paulc]
- ack markw
- 16:48:48 [BobLund]
- q+
- 16:49:05 [joesteele]
- markw: we have said that CDM can use platform capabilities, the counters that come back for that are
- 16:49:15 [joesteele]
- ... 1. how are they defined and how
- 16:49:21 [joesteele]
- ... 2. how do I get access
- 16:49:34 [pal]
- q+
- 16:49:41 [joesteele]
- ... 2. ok for proprietary platforms but what about open source?
- 16:49:43 [paulc]
- ack bob
- 16:49:59 [joesteele]
- boblund: nothing in EME that requires a shim to use platform capabilities
- 16:50:07 [joesteele]
- ... could be part of the user agent?
- 16:50:17 [joesteele]
- markw: could be part of the UA
- 16:50:37 [joesteele]
- boblund: premise of the bug is wrong then, the UA could provide this
- 16:50:40 [johnsim]
- q+
- 16:50:43 [paulc]
- ack pal
- 16:50:54 [joesteele]
- pal: separate these issues, issue of the bug itself
- 16:51:14 [joesteele]
- ... does not allow independent implementation -- bug can be resolved purely on that basis
- 16:51:21 [joesteele]
- ... EME clearly does not disallow this
- 16:51:34 [paulc]
- ack john
- 16:51:35 [joesteele]
- ... could explore the issue of how EME works with platform
- 16:51:58 [joesteele]
- johnsim: independent implementation is the question here?
- 16:52:22 [joesteele]
- ... he is saying noone but the implementers would use this - but this is false
- 16:52:31 [adrianba]
- q+
- 16:52:57 [joesteele]
- johnsim: the phrase independent implementation is the meat of the bug
- 16:53:03 [joesteele]
- ... anyone could implement a CDM
- 16:53:28 [joesteele]
- .. but commercial distributors use a lmited number of CDMs
- 16:53:42 [joesteele]
- ... since anyone can implement, the premise of the bug is wrong
- 16:53:50 [joesteele]
- s/lmited/limited/
- 16:54:27 [joesteele]
- adrianba: I think we can state that we propose the prior resolution that the CDM implementation is out of scope
- 16:55:00 [joesteele]
- paulc: in the past we have use WONT FIX or NEEDS INFO
- 16:55:22 [joesteele]
- adrianba: WONT FIX or NEEDS INFO works
- 16:55:29 [joesteele]
- Bug 20968
- 16:55:33 [joesteele]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20968
- 16:55:51 [joesteele]
- paulc: this has been re-opened
- 16:56:53 [joesteele]
- pal: 2 aspects to this bug
- 16:57:18 [joesteele]
- ... bug as filed we cannot take action on without specific actions requested - could not resolve on that basis
- 16:58:02 [joesteele]
- ... more generally people interested in how EME could be implemented could be addressed by this group, but could be indepedent
- 16:58:11 [joesteele]
- paulc: open another bug?
- 16:58:30 [joesteele]
- pal: could get there based on the email threads we have seen - not another bug
- 16:58:45 [markw]
- q+
- 16:58:49 [joesteele]
- paulc: any other opinions?
- 16:58:56 [paulc]
- ack adrian
- 16:58:59 [paulc]
- ack markw
- 16:59:13 [joesteele]
- markw: do we have a NON ISSUE resolution?
- 16:59:31 [joesteele]
- ... don't want to seem to ignore, but disagree with the premise of the bug
- 16:59:41 [joesteele]
- pal: can resolve INVALID
- 17:00:15 [joesteele]
- paulc: suggesting we mark as INVALID?
- 17:00:42 [joesteele]
- adrianba: I think the spec is fine, but we could also use INVALID
- 17:00:54 [joesteele]
- .. INVALID usually means that this is not a real bug, misreporting etc
- 17:01:06 [joesteele]
- ... but I am happy to use INVALID in this case
- 17:01:14 [joesteele]
- paulc: we should use what is right
- 17:01:37 [joesteele]
- adrianba: debatable if we mark INVALID, but current spec works for me
- 17:01:54 [joesteele]
- paulc: we are stretching over time period
- 17:02:00 [joesteele]
- ug 20977
- 17:02:19 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20978
- 17:02:24 [joesteele]
- s/ug 20977/Bug 20978/
- 17:02:37 [joesteele]
- paulc: related ot 20963
- 17:02:46 [joesteele]
- s/ ot/ to/
- 17:02:58 [joesteele]
- paulc: that on was reopened
- 17:03:07 [joesteele]
- s/on was/one was/
- 17:03:18 [joesteele]
- paulc: can we treat this as 20963?
- 17:03:45 [joesteele]
- ... could mark this as a dup
- 17:04:08 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: this is one were the CDM is not specified
- 17:04:15 [joesteele]
- adrianba: we used that for a couple of bugs
- 17:04:27 [joesteele]
- s/were the/where the/
- 17:05:05 [joesteele]
- adrianba: 20963 says more things are needed in the spec, wrong level of granularity
- 17:05:27 [markw]
- q+
- 17:05:31 [joesteele]
- ... this one says that if you specified this in the spec, the need for CDM would disappear
- 17:05:44 [paulc]
- ack markw
- 17:05:56 [ddorwin]
- Similar to this comment: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20961#c8
- 17:06:12 [joesteele]
- markw: yes, there can be proprietary CDMs not expected to be object level plugins, could be generic plugins
- 17:06:59 [joesteele]
- adrianba: comment #8 is the resolution we had previously used. we will use the same resolution
- 17:07:14 [joesteele]
- Bug 20922
- 17:07:31 [joesteele]
- EME should define a VM for CDMs to run in
- 17:08:16 [adrianba]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20992
- 17:08:20 [joesteele]
- s/Bug 20922/Bug 20982/
- 17:08:41 [adrianba]
- q+
- 17:08:53 [joesteele]
- johnsim: this is specifying how CDMs work not how EME works
- 17:09:07 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: this is also about the interop
- 17:09:18 [joesteele]
- boblund: 1st sentence is incorrect on the face of it
- 17:09:39 [paulc]
- ack adrian
- 17:10:08 [joesteele]
- adrianba: I disagree with John here - I think this is trying to propose a different level of abstraction for CDMs
- 17:10:22 [joesteele]
- ... think it is about defining the environment for a CDM to run in
- 17:10:33 [joesteele]
- ... it is a proposal for how to solve the interop problem
- 17:10:41 [joesteele]
- ... could resolve as dup of 20944
- 17:11:03 [joesteele]
- ... include a note that the group disagrees abiout the purpose of the spec
- 17:11:13 [joesteele]
- s/abiout/about/
- 17:11:18 [joesteele]
- paulc: any comments?
- 17:11:37 [joesteele]
- Bug 21081
- 17:11:58 [joesteele]
- Requesting an analysis of open source DRMs that could be adopted
- 17:12:08 [joesteele]
- paulc: this is a request for non-normative text
- 17:12:15 [joesteele]
- ... does not look to block FPWD
- 17:12:33 [joesteele]
- paulc: is this resolved as 20944?
- 17:12:43 [joesteele]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21081
- 17:12:47 [adrianba]
- q+
- 17:13:05 [joesteele]
- paulc: anyone interested in doing this?
- 17:13:19 [joesteele]
- johnsim: lots of confusion here, does not seem relevant to the EME spec
- 17:13:23 [pal]
- q+
- 17:13:36 [paulc]
- ack adrian
- 17:13:36 [joesteele]
- boblund: agree with John
- 17:14:04 [ddorwin]
- q+
- 17:14:07 [joesteele]
- adrianba: think I replied that if someone wanted to do this investigation and report back to EME, that would be a good thing
- 17:14:19 [joesteele]
- paulc: on the public or the media list?
- 17:14:28 [adrianba]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013Feb/0104.html
- 17:15:45 [joesteele]
- paulc: response is saying that this could be a simple exercise but would like to be better informed
- 17:16:18 [joesteele]
- pal: is this group aware of specific features that would prevent the use of these for EME? or any specific DRMs?
- 17:16:21 [joesteele]
- q+
- 17:16:31 [paulc]
- ack pal
- 17:16:37 [paulc]
- ack dd
- 17:16:43 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: several issues
- 17:17:04 [joesteele]
- ... having more information to make a decision, having an informative note
- 17:17:36 [joesteele]
- ... the other is whether these open source ones can be used in combination with EME or as a replacement
- 17:17:40 [joesteele]
- ... lot of layers to this bug
- 17:17:47 [paulc]
- ack joe
- 17:18:41 [joesteele]
- joesteele: believe there are DRMs that could not be expressed through EME
- 17:18:51 [joesteele]
- ... but probably not these
- 17:19:12 [joesteele]
- paulc: this look like possible examples of CDMs, resolve as dup of 20944?
- 17:19:27 [joesteele]
- paulc: add an entry to 20944 pointing to this research
- 17:19:42 [pal]
- q+
- 17:20:01 [joesteele]
- johnsim: the premise of the bug is mistaken, hard to begin resolving it
- 17:20:15 [joesteele]
- ... the assumption seems to be there is an open source DRM that is IP free
- 17:20:20 [joesteele]
- ... that is not true
- 17:20:42 [pal]
- q-
- 17:20:43 [joesteele]
- ... also was the intent to have a CDM that is baked in - that was ClearKey right?
- 17:21:10 [joesteele]
- adrianba: agree that the topic is broad, but this bug is more speciifc about what can be learned from these open source efforts
- 17:21:25 [joesteele]
- paulc: think this is a straight forward question
- 17:21:37 [joesteele]
- ... reporter is asking for more information
- 17:22:00 [joesteele]
- markw: if anyone has the time to look at it, we could resolve this as an action for someone
- 17:22:31 [joesteele]
- paulc: proposal is to resolve this as a dup of 20944 and point to these two as possible CDMs
- 17:22:54 [joesteele]
- pal: read this as a narrow bug
- 17:23:12 [joesteele]
- paulc: do we have an answer to the narrow question?
- 17:23:25 [joesteele]
- pal: not sure who is using this, certainly on this call
- 17:24:02 [joesteele]
- adrianba: could also resolve as NEEDS INFO pending further information on these DRMs
- 17:24:04 [BobLund]
- +1 t o Adrian's proposal
- 17:24:16 [ddorwin]
- +1
- 17:24:40 [joesteele]
- paulc: let's move to next topic -- lots more bugs
- 17:24:53 [joesteele]
- ... need to go back and consider doing another CFC
- 17:25:03 [ddorwin]
- One more bug: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21104
- 17:25:28 [joesteele]
- ... need to talk to my co-chairs and look for guidance on how to proceed
- 17:25:44 [joesteele]
- ... come back via email to the group
- 17:25:50 [pal]
- q+
- 17:25:51 [joesteele]
- Bug 21104
- 17:26:39 [joesteele]
- pal: can we determine programmatically whether the decrypted video is available in plaintext?
- 17:26:42 [markw]
- Q+
- 17:27:04 [joesteele]
- markw: the video element can have images captured on the Canvas
- 17:27:21 [joesteele]
- ... if this is possible, that would be evidence for the Javascript
- 17:27:47 [joesteele]
- ... I would expect if someone integrates this into a UA I would expect this to be disabled
- 17:28:09 [joesteele]
- pal: no doubt it will be disabled, but how does application determine?
- 17:28:19 [joesteele]
- ... do I get an error? black?
- 17:28:28 [joesteele]
- markw: no discussion on this point
- 17:28:35 [adrianba]
- q+
- 17:28:42 [joesteele]
- .. not familiar with all the cases it supports
- 17:28:43 [paulc]
- ack pal
- 17:29:14 [markw]
- q+
- 17:29:18 [joesteele]
- pal: reading naively, if a way was provided for JS to determine might satisfy the bug
- 17:29:48 [pal]
- +
- 17:29:50 [pal]
- q+
- 17:29:58 [paulc]
- ack markw
- 17:29:59 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: goes to "real DRM" versus "fake DRM"
- 17:30:26 [joesteele]
- adrianba: this is about driving a wedge between hard DRM and other DRM
- 17:30:37 [adrianba]
- s/adrianba/markw/
- 17:30:41 [joesteele]
- ... don't think this is a useful distinction
- 17:30:50 [paulc]
- ack adrian
- 17:30:53 [joesteele]
- .. DRM is still useful lin this case
- 17:31:17 [paulc]
- ack pal
- 17:31:51 [joesteele]
- pal: if there were a technical means of answering his question, I think that would resolve it
- 17:32:03 [joesteele]
- paulc: any options for resolving?
- 17:32:12 [joesteele]
- ... may not want to go here
- 17:32:26 [joesteele]
- markw: reasonable to say that this is not technically useful
- 17:32:34 [joesteele]
- ... close of WONT FIX
- 17:32:41 [joesteele]
- s/close of/close as/
- 17:33:04 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: talks about privacy implications, but we can leave that for discussion of other bugs
- 17:33:49 [joesteele]
- s/useful lin/useful in/
- 17:34:24 [joesteele]
- paulc: Henri objection is pointing to the IEFT spec
- 17:34:29 [joesteele]
- ... anything else to discuss?
- 17:34:48 [joesteele]
- ... Ball is now in my court to go back to co-chairs and discuss
- 17:34:50 [adrianba]
- The privacy issue can be discussed as part of bug 20965, etc.
- 17:35:00 [markw]
- q+
- 17:35:15 [joesteele]
- ... have dealt with technical matters in 1st pass, bugs may not stay resolved, but want to know if sufficient for CFC again
- 17:35:20 [paulc]
- ack markw
- 17:36:04 [joesteele]
- markw: would it be appropriate to ask Rob Calahan if the resolutions are sufficient for his bug?
- 17:36:22 [joesteele]
- paulc: that is for the chairs to decide, don't have to be bug-free
- 17:36:59 [joesteele]
- markw: so chairs can say this is sufficient?
- 17:37:19 [joesteele]
- paulc: yes. I want to ask if they are ready to say that
- 17:37:58 [joesteele]
- paulc: thanks for everyones patience. In Geneva next week, try to get something to chairs tomorrow
- 17:38:11 [ddorwin]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20944
- 17:38:16 [joesteele]
- ddorwin: one last thing -- the title change for the last bug
- 17:38:40 [joesteele]
- ... individualization was added
- 17:38:55 [joesteele]
- ... should hack off as a separate bug?
- 17:39:04 [joesteele]
- paulc: yes - encourage to file a separate bug
- 17:39:26 [joesteele]
- paulc: meeting next week is MSE, EME in two weeks
- 17:39:51 [joesteele]
- ... hopefully can come up with a list of technical items you would like to address
- 17:40:00 [paulc]
- rrsagent, make the minutes
- 17:40:00 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/26-html-media-minutes.html paulc
- 17:40:01 [joesteele]
- paulc: meeting adjourned
- 17:40:40 [joesteele]
- Zakim, who was here?
- 17:40:40 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, joesteele.
- 17:40:45 [joesteele]
- Zakim, who is here?
- 17:40:45 [Zakim]
- I notice HTML_WG()11:00AM has restarted
- 17:40:46 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see joesteele
- 17:40:46 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see johnsim, paulc, markw, ddorwin, joesteele, Zakim, RRSAgent, adrianba, glenn, wseltzer, trackbot
- 17:41:09 [Zakim]
- -joesteele
- 17:41:10 [Zakim]
- HTML_WG()11:00AM has ended
- 17:41:10 [Zakim]
- Attendees were +1.425.269.aaaa, ddorwin, joesteele, pal, markw, paulc, [Microsoft], adrianba, +1.303.503.aabb, boblund
- 17:42:09 [joesteele]
- Meeting: HTML EME Teleconference
- 17:42:24 [joesteele]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 17:42:24 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/26-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
- 17:42:54 [joesteele]
- Zakim, bye
- 17:42:54 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #html-media
- 17:48:45 [joesteele]
- rrsagent, bye
- 17:48:45 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items