IRC log of webid on 2013-02-22
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, bookmark
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- Zakim, this will be WEBID
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- ok, trackbot, I see INC_WEBID(WEBID)10:00AM already started
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- Meeting: WebID Community Group Teleconference
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- Date: 22 February 2013
- 15:02:29 [deiu]
- Zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:02:31 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Bob_Powers, bblfish, +1.631.444.aaaa, ??P15, OpenLink_Software
- 15:02:32 [TallTed]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 15:02:32 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/22-webid-minutes.html TallTed
- 15:02:38 [TallTed]
- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 15:02:39 [deiu]
- Zakim, ??P15 is me
- 15:02:40 [Zakim]
- +deiu; got it
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- +??P24
- 15:02:46 [TallTed]
- Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
- 15:02:46 [Zakim]
- +TallTed; got it
- 15:02:58 [ebremer]
- 444.aaaa is me
- 15:03:00 [bergi]
- Zakim, ??P24 is me
- 15:03:00 [Zakim]
- +bergi; got it
- 15:03:09 [bblfish]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Feb/0208.html
- 15:03:28 [bblfish]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:03:28 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Bob_Powers, bblfish, +1.631.444.aaaa, deiu, TallTed, bergi
- 15:03:30 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, deiu, ebremer, bblfish, TallTed, bobP, jmvanel, magnetik, trueg, bergi, elf-pavlik, mischat, trackbot, sandro
- 15:03:34 [ebremer]
- me
- 15:03:46 [bblfish]
- zakim, aaaa is ebremer
- 15:03:47 [Zakim]
- +ebremer; got it
- 15:03:52 [bblfish]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:03:52 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Bob_Powers, bblfish, ebremer, deiu, TallTed, bergi
- 15:03:54 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, deiu, ebremer, bblfish, TallTed, bobP, jmvanel, magnetik, trueg, bergi, elf-pavlik, mischat, trackbot, sandro
- 15:04:10 [deiu]
- Zakim, mute me please
- 15:04:11 [Zakim]
- deiu should now be muted
- 15:04:42 [bblfish]
- scribe bergi
- 15:05:02 [bblfish]
- zakim, bergi is scribe
- 15:05:02 [Zakim]
- +scribe; got it
- 15:05:15 [bblfish]
- Topic: Meeting Minutes from last time
- 15:05:22 [bblfish]
- http://www.w3.org/2013/02/08-webid-minutes.html
- 15:06:34 [bblfish]
- make sure they are good
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- +1
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- Topic: Actions
- 15:07:22 [bblfish]
- ACTION-47?
- 15:07:22 [trackbot]
- ACTION-47 -- Henry Story to put forward 1 of the raised issued every 3 days approximately for discussion in view of closure -- due 2011-10-24 -- OPEN
- 15:07:22 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/47
- 15:07:46 [bblfish]
- propose to close
- 15:08:01 [bblfish]
- +1
- 15:08:02 [bergi]
- bblfish: close this action because it's dated october 2011
- 15:08:06 [deiu]
- +1
- 15:08:09 [bergi]
- +1
- 15:08:13 [bblfish]
- close action-47
- 15:08:13 [trackbot]
- Closed ACTION-47 Put forward 1 of the raised issued every 3 days approximately for discussion in view of closure.
- 15:08:27 [bblfish]
- ACTION-42?
- 15:08:27 [trackbot]
- ACTION-42 -- Henry Story to write sparql query for ping back form http://bblfish.net/tmp/2011/05/09/ -- due 2011-10-10 -- OPEN
- 15:08:27 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/42
- 15:08:41 [bblfish]
- propose to close one too because it's out of date
- 15:08:45 [bblfish]
- +1
- 15:08:51 [deiu]
- +1
- 15:09:00 [bergi]
- +1
- 15:09:06 [bblfish]
- close Action-42: out of date and off topic
- 15:09:15 [bblfish]
- close Action-42, out of date and off topic
- 15:09:19 [bblfish]
- close Action-42 out of date and off topic
- 15:09:46 [bblfish]
- close Action-42
- 15:09:46 [trackbot]
- Closed ACTION-42 Write sparql query for ping back form http://bblfish.net/tmp/2011/05/09/.
- 15:09:48 [bblfish]
- help?
- 15:09:53 [TallTed]
- trackbot, help
- 15:09:53 [trackbot]
- Please see <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
- 15:10:01 [bblfish]
- ACTION-43?
- 15:10:01 [trackbot]
- ACTION-43 -- Stéphane Corlosquet to send mail and add entry to wiki page for the state of Drupal WebID component, so that others can join and help out -- due 2011-10-17 -- OPEN
- 15:10:01 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/43
- 15:10:43 [bblfish]
- ACTION-58?
- 15:10:43 [trackbot]
- ACTION-58 -- Henry Story to contact Nathan and see whether action-57 satisfies issue-18 -- due 2013-02-08 -- OPEN
- 15:10:43 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/58
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- Issue-18
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- ISSUE-18 -- Transfer Protocol Independence -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/18
- 15:11:35 [bblfish]
- action-57?
- 15:11:35 [trackbot]
- ACTION-57 -- Andrei Sambra to remove redundant sections from https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/index-respec.html, based on content of https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/identity-respec.html ; former doc to then become https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/auth-respec.html -- due 2013-02-08 -- OPEN
- 15:11:36 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/57
- 15:11:52 [scorlosq]
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- +scor
- 15:12:05 [bblfish]
- ACTION-43?
- 15:12:05 [trackbot]
- ACTION-43 -- Stéphane Corlosquet to send mail and add entry to wiki page for the state of Drupal WebID component, so that others can join and help out -- due 2011-10-17 -- OPEN
- 15:12:05 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/43
- 15:12:23 [bblfish]
- http://drupal.org/project/webid
- 15:12:45 [TallTed]
- TallTed has changed the topic to: WebID Community Group - http://www.w3.org/community/webid/ - current agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Feb/0208.html
- 15:13:16 [bergi]
- scorlosq: i can create a wiki page for drupal wiki project.
- 15:13:38 [bergi]
- scorlosq: more information in next weeks meeting
- 15:14:32 [bblfish]
- ACTION-58?
- 15:14:32 [trackbot]
- ACTION-58 -- Henry Story to contact Nathan and see whether action-57 satisfies issue-18 -- due 2013-02-08 -- OPEN
- 15:14:32 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/58
- 15:15:28 [deiu]
- ack me
- 15:16:18 [bergi]
- action-57 is about splitting the spec.
- 15:16:48 [bblfish]
- Action-57?
- 15:16:48 [trackbot]
- ACTION-57 -- Andrei Sambra to remove redundant sections from https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/index-respec.html, based on content of https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/identity-respec.html ; former doc to then become https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/auth-respec.html -- due 2013-02-08 -- OPEN
- 15:16:49 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/57
- 15:17:19 [bblfish]
- Issue-18?
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- ISSUE-18 -- Transfer Protocol Independence -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/18
- 15:19:28 [bblfish]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/#publishing-the-webid-profile-document
- 15:19:32 [deiu]
- https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/index-respec.html
- 15:19:54 [bblfish]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/#publishing-the-webid-profile-document
- 15:20:05 [bblfish]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/#the-webid-protocol
- 15:20:57 [bergi]
- issue-18 is about authentication on services that use another protocol than http-tls.
- 15:22:29 [bergi]
- TallTed: for example: webid-tls could be also used via smtps
- 15:24:25 [bergi]
- TallTed: in the future a webid could use other protocols. that's the reason to split the spec.
- 15:24:31 [bblfish]
- q?
- 15:25:08 [bblfish]
- Topic: ISSUES
- 15:25:13 [bblfish]
- ISSUE-6?
- 15:25:13 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-6 -- using ASN.1 formats for WebID description -- raised
- 15:25:13 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/6
- 15:25:26 [deiu]
- Zakim, mute me please
- 15:25:26 [Zakim]
- deiu should now be muted
- 15:25:40 [bblfish]
- Proposal: close or postpone. Currently we have enough with Turtle as the default representation. We don't exclude this as a representation that could be used, but it is not within our scope to define this.
- 15:26:18 [scorlosq]
- postpone?
- 15:26:39 [scorlosq]
- we can re-open it later
- 15:26:49 [deiu]
- I'd rather we close it, for the sake of easing the move to WG
- 15:27:07 [deiu]
- ack me
- 15:28:06 [bergi]
- deiu: close the issue to keep the spec simple.
- 15:29:03 [bergi]
- +q
- 15:29:16 [deiu]
- ack bergi
- 15:29:32 [Zakim]
- -scor
- 15:29:40 [rszeno]
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- 15:29:51 [bblfish]
- q+
- 15:30:21 [bobP]
- choppy
- 15:30:25 [deiu]
- bergi: there is no point supporting a representation which is not linked data
- 15:31:36 [bergi]
- the grddl output is a webid, the asn.1 is something else which isn't covered by our spec
- 15:32:06 [scorlosq]
- I have updated the Drupal info at http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebID_Protocol_Implementations
- 15:33:03 [deiu]
- Zakim, mute me
- 15:33:03 [Zakim]
- deiu should now be muted
- 15:34:17 [bblfish]
- postpone it
- 15:34:21 [deiu]
- +1
- 15:34:24 [bblfish]
- +1
- 15:34:27 [ebremer]
- +1
- 15:36:42 [bergi]
- TallTed: every issue must be reassigned if we create new products
- 15:37:12 [bergi]
- TallTed: s/reassigned/reviewed
- 15:37:34 [bblfish]
- ISSUE-23?
- 15:37:35 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-23 -- Authorized Representations and Dereferencing a WebID URI -- raised
- 15:37:35 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/23
- 15:38:03 [bblfish]
- Proposal: this seems to contain a number of issues. The part that says "the dereferencing process be well defined" seems relevant to current debates. See next ISSUE.
- 15:38:32 [bblfish]
- ISSUE-75?
- 15:38:32 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-75 -- dereferencing process must be well defined -- raised
- 15:38:32 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/75
- 15:40:00 [bergi]
- bblfish: issue-23 contains many issues. one of them was separated into issue-75.
- 15:41:03 [bergi]
- TallTed: http already covers dereferencing
- 15:44:09 [bblfish]
- q?
- 15:44:12 [bblfish]
- ack
- 15:44:16 [bblfish]
- ack bblfish
- 15:44:22 [bblfish]
- q?
- 15:44:28 [bblfish]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:44:28 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Bob_Powers, bblfish, ebremer, deiu (muted), TallTed, scribe
- 15:44:30 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see rszeno, scorlosq, RRSAgent, Zakim, deiu, ebremer, bblfish, TallTed, bobP, jmvanel, trueg, bergi, elf-pavlik, mischat, trackbot, sandro
- 15:44:36 [ebremer]
- agrees with "http" already covers dereferencing
- 15:44:45 [deiu]
- q+
- 15:44:51 [deiu]
- ack me
- 15:45:31 [bergi]
- bblfish: we should add a link to a document that describes dereferencing
- 15:46:36 [bergi]
- deiu: it's about to distinguish between uri of the document an the webid
- 15:46:58 [bergi]
- TallTed: we should change the description
- 15:47:55 [bblfish]
- action bblfish rewrite issue-75 to put it in terms of 2 URIs one naming the document and one naming the person
- 15:47:55 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-62 - Rewrite issue-75 to put it in terms of 2 URIs one naming the document and one naming the person [on Henry Story - due 2013-03-01].
- 15:48:25 [bblfish]
- ISSUE-55?
- 15:48:25 [trackbot]
- ISSUE-55 -- explore WebID URI-schema openness -- raised
- 15:48:25 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/55
- 15:49:37 [bblfish]
- Propose moving Issue-55 to identity interoperability
- 15:51:04 [bergi]
- TallTed: the issue should be moved to the conceptual spec
- 15:52:28 [bblfish]
- +1
- 15:52:31 [TallTed]
- PROPOSAL: conceptually, "a WebID is a dereferenceable URI" (no scheme specificity). implementationally, it may be limited (e.g., HTTP for the currently drafting WebID-over-TLS)
- 15:54:23 [TallTed]
- PROPOSAL: recategorize ISSUE-55 to conceptual spec.
- 15:54:23 [bobP]
- :-)
- 15:54:28 [bblfish]
- +1
- 15:54:29 [TallTed]
- +1
- 15:54:30 [ebremer]
- +1
- 15:54:31 [bergi]
- +1
- 15:54:33 [deiu]
- +1
- 15:54:36 [scorlosq]
- +1
- 15:55:27 [bblfish]
- Resolved: recategorize ISSUE-55 to conceptual spec.
- 15:55:32 [TallTed]
- PROPOSED: resolve ISSUE-55 by saying in conceptual spec "a WebID is a dereferenceable URI" (no scheme specificity). each implementational spec may impose limits for that implementation (e.g., HTTP URI for the currently drafting WebID-over-TLS)
- 15:55:40 [ebremer]
- it would be fun to discuss ws:// and wss:// schemes but i would keep it limited to http
- 15:55:49 [bblfish]
- -1
- 15:59:04 [deiu]
- q+
- 16:00:17 [bergi]
- bblfish: the proposal is out of scope
- 16:00:24 [bergi]
- TallTed: doesn't agree
- 16:00:48 [bergi]
- deiu: this was voted some weeks ago
- 16:01:15 [deiu]
- -1
- 16:01:18 [TallTed]
- +1
- 16:03:09 [bergi]
- TallTed: the definition for http only urls belongs to the implementation spec
- 16:03:31 [bergi]
- TallTed: not into the conceptual spec
- 16:06:19 [bobP]
- I am <gently> +1 to what TallTed is saying
- 16:06:30 [bergi]
- deiu: we have to provide example if we are to generic
- 16:07:02 [deiu]
- bobP, so am I (conceptually), but the main goal is to push the move to WG.
- 16:07:19 [bobP]
- k
- 16:08:25 [TallTed]
- q+
- 16:08:31 [TallTed]
- ack deiu
- 16:09:03 [deiu]
- q+
- 16:09:33 [bblfish]
- q+
- 16:11:12 [TallTed]
- ack me
- 16:12:06 [TallTed]
- PROPOSAL: postpone issue-55 to WG
- 16:12:30 [bergi]
- can we add a note like "implementation specs may limit the allowed protocols." to the conceptual spec. in the implementation spec we add the http limitation. as there is currently only one implementation spec, only http urls are valid now.
- 16:12:44 [Zakim]
- -ebremer
- 16:13:12 [TallTed]
- +1 bergi
- 16:13:19 [TallTed]
- also +1 my proposal
- 16:13:24 [bblfish]
- +1
- 16:13:28 [deiu]
- +1
- 16:13:32 [bergi]
- +1
- 16:15:50 [bblfish]
- postpone issue-55
- 16:17:00 [TallTed]
- RESOLVED: issue-55 postponed until WG
- 16:17:36 [bblfish]
- meet next week?
- 16:17:37 [bblfish]
- +1
- 16:17:41 [bobP]
- +1
- 16:17:42 [bergi]
- +1
- 16:18:04 [deiu]
- +1
- 16:18:12 [deiu]
- re. what Timbl said: http://www.w3.org/2012/11/16-webid-minutes.html
- 16:19:06 [bblfish]
- bye
- 16:19:10 [Zakim]
- -TallTed
- 16:19:11 [Zakim]
- -Bob_Powers
- 16:19:11 [Zakim]
- -deiu
- 16:19:20 [bblfish]
- but that point about spdy is a good one
- 16:19:28 [bblfish]
- So I think we could open that as an issue
- 16:19:29 [Zakim]
- -scribe
- 16:19:39 [Zakim]
- -bblfish
- 16:19:40 [Zakim]
- INC_WEBID(WEBID)10:00AM has ended
- 16:19:40 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Bob_Powers, bblfish, +1.631.444.aaaa, deiu, TallTed, ebremer, scribe, scor
- 16:24:22 [bblfish]
- zakim, close session
- 16:24:22 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'close session', bblfish
- 16:25:07 [bblfish]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 16:25:07 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/22-webid-minutes.html bblfish
- 16:27:41 [bblfish]
- zakim, bye
- 16:27:41 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #webid
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- rrsagent, bye
- 16:27:46 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items