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14:51:11 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:51:11 <trackbot> Date: 22 February 2013
14:51:20 <andisnow> chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver
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14:51:29 <andisnow> scribe: Mary_Jo_Mueller
14:51:37 <andisnow> scribenick: MaryJo
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15:02:46 <MichaelC> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael_Cooper, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Mike_Pluke, Loic, Bruce_Bailey (muted), Alex_Li, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Judy, Janina_Sajka
15:03:33 <MaryJo> topic: Responses to comments on 1st public draft.
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15:04:14 <MaryJo> There is a survey out for the comments from the WCAG working group that we could cover at the end of this meeting.
15:04:43 <MaryJo> Will take about 30 minutes to cover these.
15:05:44 <Zakim> +[Oracle]
15:05:50 <korn> Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn
15:05:50 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn; got it
15:06:39 <MaryJo> M376 will be stopped at 10 so we can complete working on these edits.
15:09:06 <Zakim> -Judy
15:10:07 <MaryJo> We will meet for 1 hour on Friday 1 March.
15:10:10 <Zakim> +Judy
15:10:32 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:10:48 <MaryJo> topic: M376 Comparison Survey
15:11:03 <MaryJo> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/cross-cutting-issues-and-notes/comparison-to-m376
15:11:38 <Mike_P> +q
15:12:53 <andisnow> ack gregg
15:13:24 <MaryJo> The items where we think our language is better are highlighted in blue so they are easy to find.
15:13:46 <korn> q+
15:13:52 <andisnow> q+
15:14:30 <andisnow> ack mike
15:14:47 <MaryJo> This is in the right-hand column of the table.
15:14:52 <andisnow> ack korn
15:15:35 <MaryJo> There's only 1 we had come to agreement so far: 1.4.4.
15:15:40 <greggvanderheiden> yes very nice
15:15:52 <korn> q+
15:16:12 <andisnow> ack andi
15:17:07 <MaryJo> Suggestion to make sure there is an explanatio of why the WCAG2ICT text is preferable.
15:17:13 <alex_> q+
15:17:18 <MaryJo> s/explanatio/explanation/
15:17:35 <andisnow> ack korn
15:18:26 <MaryJo> As we have been going through this, we've been settling on the language we prefer first rather than documenting an explanation.
15:18:46 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:19:05 <alex_> ack alex
15:19:11 <andisnow> ack gregg
15:19:20 <andisnow> q+ Judy
15:20:01 <Mike_P> +1
15:20:21 <andisnow> ack judy
15:20:22 <alex_> +1 for andi
15:20:40 <Zakim> -Judy
15:20:49 <Mike_P> +q
15:20:54 <Zakim> +Judy
15:20:59 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:21:08 <andisnow> ack mike
15:22:42 <korn> q+
15:24:21 <greggvanderheiden> Suggest that we just accept all the NO CHANGE items where Peter's analysis has already showed that they were not different ( shown as  "there was no significant difference" in second last column and "no change" in last column.
15:24:38 <andisnow> ack gregg
15:24:43 <greggvanderheiden> ack
15:24:47 <greggvanderheiden> ack g
15:24:49 <greggvanderheiden> ack k
15:25:33 <Mike_P> +1
15:25:35 <alex_> q+
15:25:40 <korn> q-
15:25:51 <Loic> +1 to what Peter has said
15:25:51 <andisnow> ack alex
15:26:36 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:26:43 <andisnow> ack gregg
15:26:47 <andisnow> q+ judy
15:27:06 <MaryJo> We can address the exact wording in the right column can be worked on as we go and we can replicate it.
15:27:21 <Mike_P> +q
15:28:19 <andisnow> ack judy
15:29:05 <alex_> q+
15:29:40 <andisnow> ack mike
15:32:22 <andisnow> ack alex
15:34:27 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:34:42 <andisnow> ack gregg
15:34:49 <korn> q+
15:36:02 <andisnow> ack korn
15:38:45 <Mike_P> +1
15:40:05 <korn> RESOLUTION: no change to WCAG2ICT text.
15:40:05 <korn> -22Feb13
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15:41:57 <andisnow> s/RESOLUTION: no change to WCAG2ICT text.//
15:42:23 <MaryJo> s/-22Feb13//
15:44:32 <korn> q+
15:45:11 <andisnow> ack korn
15:45:41 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:46:05 <korn> q-
15:46:06 <andisnow> ack gregg
15:49:01 <alex_> q+
15:50:17 <andisnow> ack alex
15:50:43 <MaryJo> For 1.4.4 we should say the difference is editorial, but explain that the WCAG2ICT language is easier to understand.
15:50:58 <Loic> q?
15:51:48 <korn> Differences only editorial.
15:51:48 <korn> No change. 
15:51:48 <korn> Rationale: WCAG2ICT language easier to understand.
15:51:48 <korn> -22Feb13
15:55:40 <MaryJo> We are summarizing what WCAG2ICT is doing to our document and the rationale for that answer.
15:56:48 <korn> final 2.1.2 comment: "WCAG2ICT has note not in M376.
15:56:48 <korn> No change. 
15:56:48 <korn> Rationale: WCAG2ICT note helpful to developers.
15:56:48 <korn> -22Feb13."
15:57:00 <MaryJo> We'll address 2.2.1 a little later because it will take some thought.
16:00:02 <MaryJo> For SC 2.2.2, we have a Note 1 and a Note 2 where M376 combined in a single note.  In WCAG2ICT there is a 'must' in one of the notes (because it was from WCAG) which was changed.
16:00:31 <Zakim> -Mary_Jo_Mueller
16:01:13 <greggvanderheiden> add  ["replacing "page" with "non-web documents and software" ] to the end of the WCAG2ICT guidance.
16:02:04 <greggvanderheiden>  so that it reads "This applies directly as written, and as described in INTENT from Understanding WCAG 2.0 (above) replacing "page" with "non-web documents and software  + NOTE
16:04:16 <greggvanderheiden> Change fist paragraph of our guidance to say  "This applies directly as written, and as described in INTENT from Understanding WCAG 2.0 (above) replacing "page" with "non-web documents and software in Note 2"
16:06:30 <andisnow> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/W2IRESPONSES/
16:08:57 <andisnow> scribe: Andi_Snow-Weaver
16:09:01 <andisnow> scribenick: andisnow
16:09:30 <andisnow> RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG WG edits to LC-2655
16:09:55 <andisnow> topic: WCAG WG edits to comment responses
16:10:25 <andisnow> RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG WG edits to LC-2653
16:10:56 <andisnow> RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG WG edits to LC-2662
16:13:36 <Zakim> +Peter
16:13:55 <Zakim> -[Oracle]
16:16:36 <andisnow> RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG WG edits with Loic's modification to LC-2669
16:20:07 <greggvanderheiden> We agree, and this is covered in the introduction of the current public force working draft dated Dec13, in the extended discussion on interpreting terms.  http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-wcag2ict-20121213/
16:20:08 <greggvanderheiden> 
16:21:24 <greggvanderheiden> We agree, and this is covered in the Key Terms section (right after the introduction) of the current public task force working draft dated Dec13.  http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-wcag2ict-20121213/
16:21:48 <andisnow> RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG WG edits to LC-2660 changing referencing Key Terms in the public working draft rather than Introduction on the Google site.
16:23:13 <andisnow> RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG WG edits to LC-2700 with additional phrase that it will appear in the next public working draft.
16:23:59 <andisnow> RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG WG edits with Loic's modification to LC-2679
16:25:47 <andisnow> RESOUTION: Accept WCAG WG edits to LC-2681 with extra spaces removed per Loic's suggestion.
16:26:08 <andisnow> s/RESOUTION/RESOLUTION/
16:27:22 <andisnow> RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG WG edits to LC-2688
16:28:22 <andisnow> RESOLUTION: Accept WCAG WG edits to LC-2695
16:33:22 <Zakim> -Judy
16:37:04 <Zakim> -Peter
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