IRC log of gld on 2013-02-21

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be GLD

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ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started

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Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 21 February 2013

15:00:39 [bhyland]

zakim, aaaa is Hadley

15:00:40 [Zakim]

+Hadley; got it

15:00:49 [TallTed]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/21-gld-minutes.html TallTed

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+??P10

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RRSAgent, set logs publibc

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+ +33.4.93.00.aabb

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RRSAgent, set logs public

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+ +1.509.967.aacc

15:01:06 [BenediktKaempgen]

zakim, ??P10 is me

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+BenediktKaempgen; got it

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+OpenLink_Software

15:01:18 [estephan]

Estephan is 509..;

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Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

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+TallTed; got it

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Zakim, mute me

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TallTed should now be muted

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Zakim, who's here?

15:02:07 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Hadley, bhyland, BenediktKaempgen, atemezi, +1.509.967.aacc, TallTed (muted)

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On IRC I see JoaoPauloAlmeida, DaveReynolds, RRSAgent, atemezi, estephan, BenediktKaempgen, Zakim, TallTed, HadleyBeeman, bhyland, trackbot, sandro

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Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130221

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zakim, code

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I don't understand 'code', boris

15:02:56 [TallTed]

Zakim, code?

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the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), TallTed

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zakim, code?

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the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), boris

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+ +91.80.67.84.aadd

15:03:23 [bhyland]

zakim, aadd is Biplav

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+Biplav; got it

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+[IPcaller]

15:03:33 [bhyland]

zakim, who is on the call?

15:03:33 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Hadley, bhyland, BenediktKaempgen, atemezi, +1.509.967.aacc, TallTed (muted), Biplav, DaveReynolds

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+??P24

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zakim, aacc is estephan

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+estephan; got it

15:04:14 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

Zakim, ??P24 is JoaoPauloAlmeida

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+JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

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+[IPcaller]

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15:04:49 [HadleyBeeman]

Agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130221

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+[LC]

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Zakim, [LC] is me

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+tinagheen; got it

15:06:37 [atemezi]

Chair: HadleyBeeman

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scribe: james

15:06:54 [james]

topic: 1.1. Discussion of issues in the critical path: Data Cube

15:07:11 [bhyland]

Proposal to accept the http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-02-14.

15:07:14 [BenediktKaempgen]

+1

15:07:17 [bhyland]

+1

15:07:22 [DaveReynolds]

+1

15:07:26 [atemezi]

+1

15:07:28 [estephan]

+1

15:07:37 [bhyland]

many thanks to DaveReynolds for getting us straightened out on Mercurial

15:07:38 [james]

resolved: minutes acccepted

15:07:52 [DaveReynolds]

no problems

15:07:58 [bhyland]

I confirm that I got a clean check out today & have submitted successfully!!

15:08:14 [Zakim]

+ +34.60.062.aaee

15:08:14 [DaveReynolds]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Feb/0040.html

15:08:18 [james]

topic: ORG

15:08:26 [boris]

zakim, aaee is me

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+boris; got it

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zakim, mute me

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boris should now be muted

15:09:14 [james]

DaveReynolds: propose to close issue #49

15:09:17 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

+1

15:09:20 [HadleyBeeman]

+1

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+ +3539149aaff

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issue-49?

15:09:27 [trackbot]

ISSUE-49 -- org:reportsTo is not acyclic -- raised

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http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/49

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+1

15:10:04 [Biplav]

+1

15:10:23 [bhyland]

RE: Tracker, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/open

15:11:09 [james]

DaveReynolds: ISSUE-42 and ISSUE-50 completed

15:11:11 [atemezi]

issue 42 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/42

15:11:20 [fadmaa]

Zakim, who is here?

15:11:20 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Hadley, bhyland, BenediktKaempgen, atemezi, estephan, TallTed (muted), Biplav, DaveReynolds, JoaoPauloAlmeida, james, tinagheen, boris (muted), +3539149aaff

15:11:24 [Zakim]

On IRC I see DeirdreLee, fadmaa, tinagheen, Biplav, james, boris, JoaoPauloAlmeida, DaveReynolds, RRSAgent, atemezi, estephan, BenediktKaempgen, Zakim, TallTed, HadleyBeeman,

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... bhyland, trackbot, sandro

15:11:37 [fadmaa]

Zakim, aaff is DeirdreLee

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+DeirdreLee; got it

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Zakim, fadmaa is with DeirdreLee

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+fadmaa; got it

15:12:42 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

that's a good solution

15:13:10 [bhyland]

@Hadley - I'm updating these w/ comments to closed

15:13:30 [bhyland]

@Hadley, I'm doing it through the tracker forms interface.

15:13:36 [HadleyBeeman]

Thanks, bhyland.

15:13:46 [bhyland]

@Hadley, there is probably a way to do it thru IRC cmds but I don't know them.

15:14:29 [james]

RESOLVED: close ISSUE-51 based on clarifications from mailing list

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-atemezi

15:15:41 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

James, ISSUE-48 should be closed as well, by rolling back the changes

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15:16:03 [estephan]

Great!

15:16:10 [Zakim]

+MHausenblas

15:16:19 [cygri]

zakim, mhausenblas is me

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+cygri; got it

15:16:34 [james]

RESOLVED: close ISSUE-48 by making range of org:reportsTo only foaf:Agent, not union of foaf:Agent and org:Post

15:16:59 [Zakim]

+Sandro

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+atemezi

15:17:34 [estephan]

+1

15:17:35 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

James, the solution to ISSUE-48 is not that

15:17:49 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

it is exactly he union that solves the problem

15:17:59 [bhyland]

@DaveReynolds, so Issue-45 goes to open from raised stat, correct?

15:18:06 [james]

DaveReynolds: closure of ISSUE-45 (remove the range on org:siteAddress) will be postponed while waiting for last bit of feedback

15:19:05 [bhyland]

done

15:19:07 [DaveReynolds]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Feb/0041.html

15:19:19 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

James, yes

15:19:20 [Zakim]

-JoaoPauloAlmeida

15:19:43 [james]

CORRECTION: ISSUE-48 will be closed, by keeping the range of org:reportsTo as union of foaf:Agent and org:Post

15:19:52 [HadleyBeeman]

issue-55?

15:19:52 [trackbot]

ISSUE-55 -- Use of prov:wasDerivedFrom -- raised

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http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/55

15:19:53 [Zakim]

+??P24

15:19:59 [HadleyBeeman]

issue-56?

15:20:00 [trackbot]

ISSUE-56 -- Check PROV semantic constraints -- raised

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http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/56

15:20:02 [HadleyBeeman]

issue-57?

15:20:02 [trackbot]

ISSUE-57 -- PROV use of invalidation -- raised

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http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/57

15:20:06 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

Zakim, ??P24 is JoaoPauloAlmeida

15:20:06 [Zakim]

+JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

15:21:23 [bhyland]

Topic: issue-55

15:21:53 [bhyland]

So issue-55 thru issue-57

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go to pending review status.

15:22:10 [james]

PROPOSED: send message to PROV WG with GLD's response to the three issues raised during last call

15:24:54 [bhyland]

DaveReynolds: people are able to use provO and ORG side by side, but we don't need to do more to spell it out to successfully use them.

15:26:46 [estephan]

Yes eric speaking

15:27:15 [estephan]

+1

15:27:16 [james]

HadleyBeeman: calling for quick vote on draft

15:27:35 [james]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Feb/0048.html

15:27:52 [HadleyBeeman]

+1 to sending that text to PROV working group from our working group

15:27:57 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

+1

15:27:58 [DaveReynolds]

Proposed: Proceed with draft message to PROV-O working as drafted at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Feb/0041.html

15:28:07 [Biplav]

+1

15:28:27 [HadleyBeeman]

issue-58?

15:28:27 [trackbot]

ISSUE-58 -- Relate org:Organization to prov:Organization -- raised

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http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/58

15:28:30 [TallTed]

+1

15:28:39 [DaveReynolds]

+1

15:28:46 [atemezi]

+1

15:28:49 [james]

DaveReynolds: ISSUE-55, ISSUE-56, ISSUE-57 can be closed following positive response from PROV-O

15:29:03 [DaveReynolds]

Resolved: Proceed with draft message to PROV-O working as drafted at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Feb/0041.html

15:29:04 [bhyland]

s/closed/pending review

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https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/58/

15:31:09 [james]

http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/58

15:32:05 [HadleyBeeman]

+1 to DaveR approaching PROV-O to resolve the two classes for Organization

15:32:10 [james]

DaveReynolds: approach PROV-O WG to determine whether owl:equivalentClass or rdfs:subClassOf is more appropriate for relating org:Organization to prov:Organization

15:32:26 [atemezi]

+1

15:32:31 [estephan]

+1

15:32:39 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

+1

15:32:41 [james]

Topic: 1.1 Data Cube

15:32:54 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

Dave: prov also does not make explicit the relation to foaf

15:33:06 [james]

Topic: 1.4 Best Practices

15:33:20 [HadleyBeeman]

cygri, are you still here?

15:33:22 [HadleyBeeman]

Ah, good

15:33:36 [james]

Topic: 1.1 Data Cube

15:33:43 [DaveReynolds]

JoaoPauloAlmeida agreed.

15:35:03 [Zakim]

-JoaoPauloAlmeida

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+??P24

15:35:25 [JoaoPauloAlmeida]

Zakim, ??P24 is me

15:35:25 [Zakim]

+JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

15:35:47 [james]

DaveReynolds: going through issues at http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/3

15:36:17 [bhyland]

See DCAT open issues: https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/open

15:36:32 [bhyland]

s/DCAT/Cube

15:37:33 [james]

cygri: discussing whether or not to go ahead with ISSUE-37

15:38:18 [james]

cygri: keen to align Data Cube with the latest changes in SDMX

15:38:34 [james]

… but it does make sense to postpone ISSUE-37 in light of priorities from other issues

15:39:12 [james]

DaveReynolds: WG should/can target Last Call on Data Cube for mid-March

15:42:58 [atemezi]

@cygri: which kind of tasks are needed for upgrading ?

15:43:09 [james]

s/mid-March/next week/

15:43:23 [bhyland]

Per cygri telecon 21-Feb-2013, going to LC with Data Cube based on SDMX 2.0 would be acceptable. Cygri would prefer, time permitting SDMX 2.1, would make the quality of the vocab deliverable much better. He guarantee this will happen but will make good faith effort to do so.

15:43:43 [james]

s/guarantee/cannot guarantee/

15:44:35 [bhyland]

https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/37

15:45:49 [bhyland]

q?

15:48:18 [boris]

zakim, unmute

15:48:18 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'unmute', boris

15:48:19 [james]

bhyland: would suggest moving agenda item 1.4 Best Practices to next call

15:48:26 [boris]

zakim, unmute me

15:48:26 [Zakim]

boris should no longer be muted

15:49:12 [cygri]

atemezi, what needs to be done is review the changes between SDMX 2.0 and SDMX 2.1 (there's a summary of changes document from the SDMX people), and decide what (if anything) needs to be done about these changes in Data Cube

15:49:21 [bhyland]

EU Data Forum 2013 deadline to submit presentations, see http://2013.data-forum.eu/news/european-data-forum-2013-call-contribution

15:49:40 [james]

Topic: Working group housekeeping

15:49:50 [cygri]

q+

15:49:50 [james]

bhyland: reminder about Face-to-Face planning for Galway

15:49:59 [bhyland]

Topic: F2F3 - please update what you'd like to do vis a vis deliverables, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F3

15:50:04 [HadleyBeeman]

ack cygri

15:50:44 [Zakim]

-JoaoPauloAlmeida

15:50:59 [Zakim]

+??P24

15:51:01 [DaveReynolds]

Note that I'm not going to be f2f, at least not in person.

15:51:09 [bhyland]

cygri: Unfortunately timing of F2F3 comes just after the LC deadline per W3C process

15:51:20 [HadleyBeeman]

DaveReynolds, are you available for dialing in?

15:51:36 [DaveReynolds]

For at least some of the time, yes.

15:51:52 [bhyland]

… up to LC deadline, comments can come in. When over, we have a full picture of what needs to be taken into account.

15:52:50 [atemezi]

cygri, thanks. I thought I could help here but it seems to be is more work for someone knowing very well SDMX stuff

15:53:05 [cygri]

s/cygri: Unfortunately/cygri: Conveniently/

15:53:39 [bhyland]

Suggested: LC deadlines be the 1st day of our F2F3 in Dublin

15:53:54 [bhyland]

midnight before F2F3 day #1

15:54:10 [bhyland]

That gives us 5 weeks before the end of the WG's charter.

15:54:28 [cygri]

ack me

15:54:38 [DeirdreLee]

q+

15:54:50 [Zakim]

-Biplav

15:54:55 [boris]

q+

15:55:08 [HadleyBeeman]

ack boris

15:55:12 [HadleyBeeman]

ack deirdrelee

15:55:21 [sandro]

q+ to mention Last Call cross-group coordination

15:55:44 [HadleyBeeman]

ack sandro

15:55:44 [Zakim]

sandro, you wanted to mention Last Call cross-group coordination

15:55:46 [bhyland]

Deirdre reminded everyone that the deadline for presentations is Friday 22-Feb and for exhibits in early March

15:55:48 [cygri]

atemezi, i think ISSUE-29 is the other critical one

15:56:31 [bhyland]

Sandro: RE: LC - the Internationalization WG likes to review everything for internationalization issues … recommends we give them a heads up.

15:56:53 [bhyland]

… advised other groups be given a heads up

15:57:15 [boris]

q+ probably trivial question

15:57:17 [james]

Sandro: we should notify certain WGs e.g. the internationalization group, of upcoming specs

15:57:31 [sandro]

sandro: (and negotate the review schedules)

15:58:32 [Zakim]

-Sandro

15:58:32 [atemezi]

thanks

15:58:34 [Zakim]

-cygri

15:58:37 [Zakim]

-TallTed

15:58:37 [Zakim]

-estephan

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-tinagheen

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-??P24

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james has left #gld

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-BenediktKaempgen

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-james

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DaveReynolds has left #gld

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-atemezi

15:58:48 [Zakim]

-DaveReynolds

15:59:37 [bhyland]

@james - do you need help with publishing minutes? I'm still on line if so but you dropped off...

16:00:04 [bhyland]

RRSAgent, set logs world-visible

16:00:10 [bhyland]

RRSAgent, generate minutes

16:00:10 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/21-gld-minutes.html bhyland

16:00:14 [Zakim]

-DeirdreLee

16:03:32 [bhyland]

These are working … http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-01-24

16:03:43 [HadleyBeeman]

http://www.w3.org/2013/02/21-gld-minutes.html

16:09:28 [HadleyBeeman]

Sorry, boris — I've monopolised her :)

16:09:32 [HadleyBeeman]

We're nearly done

16:09:43 [Zakim]

-Hadley

16:12:46 [Zakim]

-boris

16:12:59 [Zakim]

-bhyland

16:13:00 [boris]

ups

16:13:00 [Zakim]

T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended

16:13:00 [Zakim]

Attendees were +1.440.389.aaaa, bhyland, Hadley, +1.509.967.aacc, BenediktKaempgen, TallTed, atemezi, +91.80.67.84.aadd, Biplav, DaveReynolds, estephan, JoaoPauloAlmeida, james,

16:13:00 [Zakim]

... tinagheen, +34.60.062.aaee, boris, +3539149aaff, DeirdreLee, fadmaa, cygri, Sandro

16:13:30 [boris]

dialin in

16:13:55 [Zakim]

T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has now started

16:14:00 [bhyland]

We only had the line for a bit over an hour ...

16:14:02 [Zakim]

+boris

16:14:18 [boris]

Bhyland?

16:14:39 [Zakim]

-boris

16:14:40 [Zakim]

T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were boris

16:14:48 [bhyland]

I have to run Boris- suffice to say, I'm working on BP and will do consistent updates & commits when done. Please be careful with your edits & use Mercurial so we don't clobber edits on the same do

16:14:53 [boris]

ok, so you take the control of the BP document

16:15:05 [bhyland]

bye

16:15:12 [boris]

and I don't touch the repository

16:15:12 [boris]

pok?

16:15:19 [boris]

ok?

16:38:54 [bhyland]

Hi Boris

16:38:57 [bhyland]

I'm back...

16:38:59 [bhyland]

ping

16:41:19 [bhyland]

Minutes published for today's meeting, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2013-02-21

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