IRC log of mlw-lt on 2013-02-18

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Meeting: MLW-lT Phone call: 18 Feb 2013
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present+ Karl
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present+ Yves
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present+ DaveLewis
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chair: daveL
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present+ Ankit
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scribe: kfrische
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scribe: kfritsche
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scribe: kfritsche
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Regret: Felix, Phil
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present+ Marcis
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Present: ankit, chrsitian, daveL, dominic, jirka, karl, leroy, marcix, olaf, tadej
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Present: Yves
15:05:49 [daveL]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0089.html
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daveL: going through the agenda
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topic: minutes from last meeting
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http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html
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topic: Quick feedback on Posters and use cases
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0083.html
15:08:47 [kfritsche]
daveL: wed is for poster review
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0084.html
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... but today only a short review
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chriLi: some edits has already been done
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... one separated edit by email
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... i had the idea to create a glossary/terminology section as separated wiki page
15:11:58 [kfritsche]
daveL: this is a good point, we listed some definitions in requirements section
15:11:59 [Pedro]
present+ Pedro
15:12:47 [chriLi]
present+ chriLi
15:13:13 [kfritsche]
chriLi: run a named entity enricher through the wiki page
15:13:28 [chriLi]
Run both the Spec. and the Wiki page through both a term candidate recognizer and a named entity recognizer
15:14:10 [kfritsche]
daveL: problem could be the wiki markup, how to add the ITS markup there
15:14:18 [chriLi]
Drink your own champagne, not eat your own dog food. :-)
15:14:31 [kfritsche]
daveL: but basically this is a good idea
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daveL: also we maybe should also add some more ITS markup
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action investigate its markup in wiki to daveL
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dlewis6
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action: dlewis6 to investigate establishing a gloassry for the wiki and including ITS markup on pages
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Created ACTION-449 - Investigate establishing a gloassry for the wiki and including ITS markup on pages [on David Lewis - due 2013-02-25].
15:16:44 [kfritsche]
daveL: anyone has problems with the posters and use cases section?
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... look at the mails from chriLi and Felix for additional information for the high level use cases wiki page
15:17:40 [daveL]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0083.html
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present+Giuseppe
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Topic: Issue-68
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tadej: we will drop granularity
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tadej: ta (text analysis) is the new prefix
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... working on a draft
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... which will be presented soon to the WG
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Tadej already drafted the revised section for the spec. It will be discussed this week.
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15:20:53 [omstefanov]
I think it is very important, throughout all the ITS 2.0 documents and documentation that text-analysis NOT be abbreviated as simply TA. Using TA will result in lack of understanding.
15:22:02 [daveL]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its20-20121206/#datacategories-overview
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text-analysis
15:23:23 [kfritsche]
daveL: we are using hypen only in tables and annotatorsRef
15:24:17 [kfritsche]
tadej: okay will look at this, in the attributes its called ta in rules its text analysis
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tadej: but this is cosmetic
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... and can be changed easily
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... we provide it soon to everyone
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daveL: post the changes to the list
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... we appreciate the hard work everyone have done there
15:26:09 [daveL]
Topic: ISSUE-106 and ISSUE-107: I18N-ISSUE-246: Clarify character encoding
15:26:24 [daveL]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Feb/0028.html
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scribe: daveL
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karl: we decided in prague that this was something that implementors should be aware of but not mandated in the specification
15:32:17 [daveL]
... we don't address in our own application, we only tested with with UTF-8
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... But this is difficult to validate a test for such an error
15:33:20 [kfritsche]
scribe: kfritsche
15:33:33 [kfritsche]
daveL: its difficult to test and doing a negative test
15:33:55 [kfritsche]
... hard to put this in an normative section
15:34:08 [daveL]
daveL: perhaps yves and felix can help with wording that accomodates the dificulty in constructing a negative conformance test
15:34:37 [kfritsche]
daveL: we leave this open and have to discuss this on a later call
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... lets revist this on wednesday
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Topic: [ISSUE-84]: ITS 2.0 requirements w.r.t Indian [Indic] languages, was:
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scribe: kfritsche
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brb
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Feb/0032.html
15:36:07 [kfritsche]
daveL: basically there are satisfied with our response
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topic; ISSUE-110: latest input from Jirka, but does this change decision to remove XHTML form test suite?
15:36:27 [kfritsche]
... so we can close this particular issue
15:36:41 [daveL]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0085.html
15:37:25 [kfritsche]
daveL: how we deal with XHTML, jirka said from a implementors point of view this is easy to do
15:37:25 [daveL]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0086.html
15:38:57 [kfritsche]
Jirka: i drafted this as a note, but maybe some implementors can have a look at it
15:39:40 [kfritsche]
daveL: i think we satisfied the original issue and this is a clarification
15:40:47 [kfritsche]
kfritsche: the mail from Jirka makes much sense and should be added to the specification, as it makes it much clearer, how to use it
15:41:37 [kfritsche]
Jirka: no need for a new action, as there is already another one for this
15:42:04 [daveL]
http://tinyurl.com/its20-comments-handling
15:42:31 [kfritsche]
daveL: we still have quite a lot of issues
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... after the reports this should be dealt with
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... anyone want to cover a issue in the call now?
15:44:40 [kfritsche]
mdelolmo: starting time of call from wed is?
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daveL: 1 pm. utc
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... 2 pm cet
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Pedro: poster session is in the lunch break, when the demo people have lunch?
15:46:05 [Jirka]
Demo or die :-)
15:46:29 [omstefanov]
demo and slim down :-)
15:46:32 [kfritsche]
DomJones1: i will check and maybe the demo people should leave the the session a bit earlier
15:46:54 [kfritsche]
daveL: should we print the posters or are the printed there?
15:46:58 [kfritsche]
DomJones1: will check this
15:47:54 [kfritsche]
daveL: maybe the background should be updated and the logo from EU should be added, because lot of pepople seems to have problems here
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/18-mlw-lt-minutes.html daveL
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rrsagent, make log public
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