15:49:31 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #i18n
15:49:31 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-irc
15:49:37 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #i18n
15:49:44 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
15:49:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:49:48 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
15:49:48 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
15:49:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
15:49:49 <trackbot> Date: 14 February 2013
15:50:05 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013Feb/0014.html
15:50:19 <aphillip> agenda+ Isolating Direction in HTML5
15:50:30 <aphillip> agenda+ Ruby Annotation Extension Spec
15:50:50 <aphillip> agenda+ Moving Forward Bidi Change Proposal
15:51:16 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:51:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:54:41 <DavidClarke> DavidClarke has joined #I18n
15:55:14 <DavidClarke> I'm unlikely to be able to phone in today
15:58:51 <r12a> addison, i think you need to explain shepherding to aharon - esp that no subject matter expertise is especially required
15:59:20 <r12a> s/addison, i think you need to explain shepherding to aharon - esp that no subject matter expertise is especially required//
16:00:15 <matial> matial has joined #i18n
16:00:27 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has now started
16:00:32 <fsasaki> fsasaki has joined #i18n
16:00:40 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
16:00:40 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
16:00:50 <Zakim> +aphillip
16:00:57 <r12a> zakim, this will be i18n
16:00:57 <Zakim> ok, r12a, I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM already started
16:01:04 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:01:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see aphillip
16:01:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see fsasaki, matial, DavidClarke, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, trackbot
16:01:12 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
16:01:13 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
16:01:13 <Zakim> +Richard
16:01:22 <Zakim> +??P18
16:01:38 <Zakim> +??P15
16:01:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-minutes.html fsasaki
16:01:49 <matial> zakim, ??p15 is me
16:01:49 <Zakim> +matial; got it
16:02:18 <fsasaki> chair: aphillip
16:02:20 <fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki
16:02:31 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:02:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:02:34 <aphillip> Regrets: Norbert
16:02:43 <Zakim> + +1.617.245.aaaa
16:03:18 <fsasaki> present: aphilip, davidClarke(IRC), john, matial, r12a
16:03:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-minutes.html fsasaki
16:03:44 <aphillip> s/aphilip/aphillip/
16:03:57 <fsasaki> present+ fsasaki
16:03:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-minutes.html fsasaki
16:04:07 <John_C_Klensin> John_C_Klensin has joined #i18n
16:05:02 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
16:05:28 <fsasaki> topic: action items
16:05:38 <fsasaki> action-165?
16:05:38 <trackbot> ACTION-165 -- Richard Ishida to contact Tab about plans to make the ruby spec extension -- due 2012-12-12 -- OPEN
16:05:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/165
16:05:45 <fsasaki> richard: can be closed
16:05:50 <fsasaki> close action-165
16:05:50 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-165 Contact Tab about plans to make the ruby spec extension.
16:06:04 <fsasaki> richard: robin berjon has produced an HTML extension draft
16:06:07 <fsasaki> action-166?
16:06:07 <trackbot> ACTION-166 -- Richard Ishida to inform wg when bidi documents are ready for review -- due 2012-12-12 -- OPEN
16:06:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/166
16:06:09 <Zakim> + +1.408.536.aabb
16:06:17 <fsasaki> close action-166
16:06:17 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-166 Inform wg when bidi documents are ready for review.
16:06:22 <fsasaki> richard: ready for review
16:06:29 <fsasaki> action-170?
16:06:29 <trackbot> ACTION-170 -- Addison Phillips to coordinate with richard regarding KLReq -- due 2013-01-16 -- OPEN
16:06:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/170
16:06:36 <aharon> aharon has joined #i18n
16:06:39 <fsasaki> aphillip: placeholder
16:06:41 <fsasaki> action-174?
16:06:41 <trackbot> ACTION-174 -- Addison Phillips to write article about floating times in HTML -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
16:06:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/174
16:06:50 <fsasaki> aphillip: have started this
16:06:52 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/FloatingTime
16:07:17 <fsasaki> aphillip: feel free to comment. Have xxx third of the text in
16:07:21 <fsasaki> action-175?
16:07:21 <trackbot> ACTION-175 -- Richard Ishida to contact Robin Berjon about what he's doing wrt ruby extension work -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
16:07:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/175
16:07:25 <fsasaki> richard: done
16:07:32 <fsasaki> close action-175
16:07:32 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-175 Contact Robin Berjon about what he's doing wrt ruby extension work.
16:07:35 <fsasaki> action-176?
16:07:35 <trackbot> ACTION-176 -- Addison Phillips to ping anne about encoding spec -- due 2013-02-07 -- OPEN
16:07:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/176
16:07:46 <fsasaki> aphillip: will keep open
16:07:49 <Zakim> +??P8
16:07:54 <fsasaki> action-177?
16:07:54 <trackbot> ACTION-177 -- Addison Phillips to establish scribing rotation -- due 2013-02-07 -- CLOSED
16:07:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/177
16:08:01 <fsasaki> action-178?
16:08:01 <trackbot> ACTION-178 -- Norbert Lindenberg to coordinate proposing text for ITS directionality with richard -- due 2013-02-07 -- CLOSED
16:08:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/178
16:08:09 <fsasaki> present+ aaron
16:08:16 <fsasaki> present+ johnOConner
16:08:22 <fsasaki> action-182?
16:08:22 <trackbot> ACTION-182 -- Richard Ishida to send note with updated text for directionality to MLW-LT -- due 2013-02-14 -- OPEN
16:08:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/182
16:08:32 <joconner> joconner has joined #i18n
16:08:35 <fsasaki> action-183?
16:08:35 <trackbot> ACTION-183 -- Addison Phillips to write draft of new charmod-norm -- due 2013-02-14 -- OPEN
16:08:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/183
16:08:43 <fsasaki> aphillip: not done yet
16:08:45 <fsasaki> q+
16:08:51 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
16:09:02 <fsasaki> ack me
16:09:52 <fsasaki> aphillip: john klensin joined as invited expert, welcome!
16:10:19 <fsasaki> johnC: have worked on i18n issues on IETF and ICANN for some years, IDN and other topics
16:10:44 <fsasaki> ... felt to participate in this work no an ongoing basis rather than complaining later
16:10:52 <fsasaki> aphillip: great, welcome!
16:10:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-minutes.html fsasaki
16:11:14 <fsasaki> johnC: recently adobe received funding to work on ITS2
16:11:24 <fsasaki> .. we are attempting to add tags to jack rabbit
16:11:34 <fsasaki> aphillip: cool
16:11:36 <fsasaki> +1!
16:11:49 <fsasaki> very cool, joconner :)
16:12:02 <fsasaki> richard: what is jack rabbit?
16:12:14 <fsasaki> joconner: an open source repository
16:12:24 <fsasaki> .. would like to add the ITS tags into the schema for content
16:12:50 <fsasaki> richard: this week published program for MLW workshop in rome
16:13:02 <fsasaki> .. if you want to go register asap. many spaces are taken already
16:13:22 <fsasaki> .. have a good program http://www.multilingualweb.eu/documents/rome-workshop/rome-program
16:13:29 <fsasaki> .. Mark Davis is doing the keynote
16:13:48 <fsasaki> .. have the usual format with many different people in the room who haven't met before
16:13:58 <fsasaki> .. other topic - bidi in HTML work:
16:14:21 <koji> koji has joined #i18n
16:14:25 <fsasaki> .. some of the things work, thought it is good to put this out so that people can look at it
16:14:31 <fsasaki> .. then korean layout requirements doc
16:14:44 <fsasaki> .. lot of english + format editing
16:14:51 <fsasaki> present+ kojii
16:14:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-minutes.html fsasaki
16:15:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:15:23 <koji> zakim, [ipcaller] is me
16:15:23 <Zakim> +koji; got it
16:15:29 <r12a> zakim, who's noisy?
16:15:43 <Zakim> r12a, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: aphillip (74%), +1.408.536.aabb (4%)
16:15:44 <fsasaki> aphillip: next will speak at xyz
16:15:53 <aphillip> http://events.imug.org/events/95268092/?eventId=95268092&action=detail
16:16:01 <fsasaki> s/xyz/imug conference/
16:16:03 <r12a> s/xyz/IMUG/
16:16:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-minutes.html fsasaki
16:16:30 <aphillip> zakim, agenda?
16:16:30 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
16:16:32 <Zakim> 1. Isolating Direction in HTML5 [from aphillip]
16:16:32 <Zakim> 2. Ruby Annotation Extension Spec [from aphillip]
16:16:32 <Zakim> 3. Moving Forward Bidi Change Proposal [from aphillip]
16:16:39 <aphillip> zakim, take up 1
16:16:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up 1', aphillip
16:16:46 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
16:16:46 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Isolating Direction in HTML5" taken up [from aphillip]
16:17:30 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
16:17:30 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Ruby Annotation Extension Spec" taken up [from aphillip]
16:18:03 <fsasaki> richard: robin berjon working on HTML5 ruby extension spec
16:18:31 <fsasaki> .. he was unaware of stuff we are doing, need closer communication
16:19:07 <fsasaki> .. robin sent the draft to public i18n cjk list for review
16:19:20 <fsasaki> .. we need to look into this in the next couple of weeks of possible
16:19:21 <aphillip> action: addison: remind group to review berjon's ruby spec extension proposal
16:19:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-184 - Remind group to review berjon's ruby spec extension proposal [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-02-21].
16:19:34 <fsasaki> .. what is proposed: availibility of an rb tag
16:19:48 <fsasaki> .. fantasia proposes an rb.rb.rt model
16:19:55 <fsasaki> .. that is with multiple bases
16:20:01 <aphillip> s/fantasia/fantasai/
16:20:03 <fsasaki> .. I think that this is not necessary
16:20:33 <fsasaki> richard: fantasai is concered that if you have an inline set in your ruby
16:20:48 <fsasaki> .. annotations at the end of the base characters should be dropped
16:21:06 <fsasaki> .. I think that can be done easily done by the browser re-organizing information
16:21:22 <fsasaki> .. doing that with markup is a very long tail for waging a small dog
16:21:32 <fsasaki> .. now double sided ruby:
16:21:48 <fsasaki> .. fantasai is against nesting of ruby elements
16:22:08 <fsasaki> .. she wants to go closer to what the old spec said
16:22:23 <fsasaki> .. but the old spec uses an rtc element for the secondary level of annotation
16:23:14 <fsasaki> .. having done nested stuff I think it's straightforward, I'm not support about the current html5 approach
16:23:44 <fsasaki> .. fantasai's proposal is easier but has to be described like that
16:24:28 <aphillip> zakim, agenda?
16:24:28 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
16:24:30 <Zakim> 1. Isolating Direction in HTML5 [from aphillip]
16:24:30 <Zakim> 2. Ruby Annotation Extension Spec [from aphillip]
16:24:30 <Zakim> 3. Moving Forward Bidi Change Proposal [from aphillip]
16:24:53 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'take up next agendum', fsasaki.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:24:53 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 3
16:24:53 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Moving Forward Bidi Change Proposal" taken up [from aphillip]
16:25:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-minutes.html fsasaki
16:25:45 <fsasaki> richard: in the past we wanted to get isolated spans used in inline markup
16:25:59 <fsasaki> .. we had thought that we would write an extension spec for HTML5
16:26:15 <fsasaki> .. with two attribute in HTML5, corresponding to new unicode control characters
16:26:28 <fsasaki> .. however, thinking it over, I thought this might not be the best way forward
16:26:47 <fsasaki> .. the best way might be: to create a new attribute "direction"
16:27:06 <fsasaki> .. that attribute would have ltr, rtl, auto as values
16:27:16 <fsasaki> .. and it would produce isolation by default
16:28:42 <fsasaki> .. you cannot like in CSS put in two things and have the 2nd one taken up
16:28:46 <fsasaki> .. e.g. two instances of "dir"
16:28:58 <fsasaki> .. we already have problems confusing rtl and ltr when they type
16:29:11 <fsasaki> .. adding lri rli has the potential to increase typos
16:29:23 <fsasaki> .. people have to take "intelligent decisions" what to choose
16:29:36 <fsasaki> .. most people have no clue about the importance of isolation
16:29:46 <fsasaki> .. and continue what they have always done
16:29:56 <fsasaki> .. there is a downside of using new values
16:30:02 <fsasaki> aaron: another downside:
16:30:13 <aphillip> s/aaron/aharon/
16:30:18 <fsasaki> .. lri and rli more or less explicitly say "this should be isloated"
16:30:29 <fsasaki> .. that is fine for inline markup, but what about a block element?
16:30:43 <fsasaki> .. it doesn't makes sense to write <p dir="lri">
16:30:59 <fsasaki> .. so ltr and rtl would not get completely deprecated really
16:31:11 <fsasaki> richard: an alternative would be the "direction" attribute
16:31:20 <fsasaki> .. with the three values ltr, rtl, auto
16:31:36 <aphillip> <p dir="rtl" direction="ltr"> :-(
16:31:37 <fsasaki> .. it has the advantage to use it alongside dir
16:31:38 <fsasaki> q+
16:31:51 <fsasaki> ack me
16:32:53 <fsasaki> felix: what guidance would we give people for non-HTML scenarios?
16:33:13 <fsasaki> richard: good question - will come back to that later?
16:33:48 <fsasaki> richard: if we deprecate dir we can move into the direction of "direction"
16:33:59 <fsasaki> aphillip: that would make many pages invalid
16:34:03 <fsasaki> richard: correct
16:34:23 <fsasaki> .. additional advantes of direction attribute: people continue to use the same values
16:34:37 <fsasaki> .. they just need to know "direction" rather than "dir"
16:34:46 <fsasaki> .. and it doesn't rely on CSS available
16:35:07 <fsasaki> .. the drawback is that it is a pain to use two attributes at the same time
16:35:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-minutes.html fsasaki
16:35:46 <fsasaki> richard: one new topic related to this
16:35:57 <fsasaki> .. we almost never want to do non-isloated text
16:36:31 <fsasaki> .. in unicode report that describes lri and rli it says you can still use the old values
16:36:37 <Najib-ma> Najib-ma has joined #i18n
16:36:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:36:49 <fsasaki> .. if we go away from the old values we will loose the ability to embed
16:37:00 <fsasaki> .. which may be useful in some circumstances
16:37:14 <fsasaki> .. we could have a new attribute that produces isolation
16:37:22 <fsasaki> .. and we could keep dir
16:37:34 <fsasaki> .. the new attribute could be EDI
16:37:39 <fsasaki> .. or bd for "base direction"
16:37:43 <aphillip> s/EDI/BDI/
16:38:04 <fsasaki> .. aharon already said you can use direction aspect of block elements
16:38:12 <fsasaki> .. so we can give clearer guidance
16:39:23 <matial> I don't see the difference between the direction attr and the bd(i) attribute
16:39:51 <aphillip> <p dir="rtl" embed>
16:40:01 <fsasaki> richard: some people have used directionality in a way they shouldn't
16:40:06 <aphillip> <p dir="ltr" isoloate>
16:40:23 <fsasaki> .. so generally we always want isolation
16:40:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-minutes.html fsasaki
16:40:41 <fsasaki> aharon: yes
16:41:18 <fsasaki> .. it is not theoretical:
16:41:35 <fsasaki> .. I know people who use dir in a way that does embedding, not isolation
16:42:07 <fsasaki> .. changing the semantics of dir is not an option, and taking it away is not an option either
16:43:26 <fsasaki> .. it is incorrect to say that block elements are isloated
16:43:41 <fsasaki> s/isloated/isolated/
16:44:58 <fsasaki> aharon: what to do about dir name and CSS - that is not an issue
16:45:10 <fsasaki> .. if you have <span direction="ltr">
16:45:15 <fsasaki> .. meaning it is isolated
16:45:28 <fsasaki> ... directionality is ltr, i.e. <span dir="ltr>
16:45:41 <fsasaki> .. that is the same, since direcitonality influecnes what you want to do inside the element
16:45:54 <fsasaki> .. islolation talkes about what is outside the element
16:46:36 <aphillip> <span dir="rtl" isolate>
16:46:48 <fsasaki> .. dir is then ignored by new browser if they use direction
16:48:04 <fsasaki> aphillip: we have an auto?
16:48:14 <fsasaki> aharon: dir=auto is isolating
16:48:33 <fsasaki> richard: in implementations currently it isolates but doesn't do the "auto" part
16:48:58 <aphillip> s/we have an auto/is auto equivalent to FSI/
16:50:09 <fsasaki> aphillip: what actions follow from this?
16:50:37 <r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013Feb/0010.html
16:50:37 <fsasaki> richard: need to continue discussion, basic proposal is in mail I sent
16:50:49 <fsasaki> q+
16:51:03 <fsasaki> richard: need to decide whether we should choose option two
16:51:11 <fsasaki> .. and need to think about getting things moving
16:51:29 <fsasaki> .. and then we need to find something to author extension spec ...
16:51:51 <fsasaki> .. before we do all that I think
16:52:29 <fsasaki> ack me
16:52:32 <aphillip> ack fsasaki
16:52:35 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2013JanMar/0229.html
16:53:27 <fsasaki> felix: should we look into this proposal?
16:53:51 <fsasaki> richard: that proposal just said that there are two types of direction
16:54:02 <fsasaki> .. there is a note about isolation, and I think the proposal is still valid
16:54:28 <fsasaki> .. the point is then you define the attribute values
16:54:58 <fsasaki> aphillip: we were pointing to HTML4
16:55:12 <fsasaki> richard: rlo and lro also don't exist in HTML5, but as concepts they do
16:55:18 <fsasaki> richard: like to hear opinions
16:55:26 <matial> zakim, unmute me
16:55:26 <Zakim> matial should no longer be muted
16:56:08 <fsasaki> aphillip: need to look into more material before making decisions
16:56:31 <fsasaki> matial: we cannot change dir behavior because we don't want to break existing pages
16:56:45 <fsasaki> .. we cannot unify one attribute because often documents are composed from various pieces
16:57:31 <fsasaki> .. telling to use two different attributes for direction, one for blocks and one for inline, will be hard to educate people
16:58:28 <fsasaki> matial: xxx is the best thing (scribe missed)
16:58:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-minutes.html fsasaki
16:59:02 <aphillip> s/xxx/bdir/
16:59:02 <fsasaki> matial: "bdir"
16:59:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-minutes.html fsasaki
16:59:50 <aphillip> richard: enjoin folks to read email and send comments
17:00:00 <aphillip> scribenick: aphillip
17:00:09 <matial> zakim, mute me
17:00:09 <Zakim> matial should now be muted
17:00:21 <joconner> joconner has left #i18n
17:00:26 <aphillip> richard: publish blog post?
17:00:34 <aphillip> ... could publish on i18n home page
17:00:49 <Zakim> -fsasaki
17:00:49 <Najib-ma> q+
17:00:59 <joconner> joconner has joined #i18n
17:00:59 <aphillip> ack najib-ma
17:01:05 <Najib-ma> I favors option 2.
17:01:14 <Najib-ma> Thinks it is reasonable.
17:01:20 <Najib-ma> But I fear people think of "direction" attribute as a new name of "dir" attribute.
17:01:22 <Najib-ma> and then will be surprised by the effect of isolate, if any.
17:01:27 <Najib-ma> That's all
17:01:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
17:02:17 <aphillip> action: richard: publish blog post as wiki, put on front door, and announce to winter list
17:02:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-185 - Publish blog post as wiki, put on front door, and announce to winter list [on Richard Ishida - due 2013-02-21].
17:02:32 <aphillip> richard: one more question for aharon
17:02:44 <aphillip> ... people have used dir embedding wrongly
17:02:54 <aphillip> ... but are there other cases where you want to embed rather than isolate on purpose?
17:03:08 <joconner> joconner has left #i18n
17:03:09 <aphillip> aharon: no, because then you get with LRM,etc.
17:03:41 <aphillip> richard: if you put dir on span in same direction, no action?
17:03:48 <Zakim> - +1.408.536.aabb
17:03:51 <aphillip> aharon: other way around
17:04:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
17:05:53 <aphillip> john: classic problem with domain names
17:06:25 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
17:06:55 <aphillip> Regrets+ ning
17:07:59 <aphillip> aharon: in LTR context, span with LTR starting with RTL character
17:08:41 <Zakim> -john
17:08:42 <matial> Be
17:08:43 <Zakim> -aphillip
17:08:45 <Zakim> -koji
17:08:52 <Zakim> -??P8
17:08:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
17:09:08 <Zakim> -matial
17:09:58 <aphillip> zakim, bye
17:09:58 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were aphillip, Richard, fsasaki, matial, +1.617.245.aaaa, john, +1.408.536.aabb, koji
17:09:58 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
17:10:01 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
17:10:01 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-actions.rdf :
17:10:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: remind group to review berjon's ruby spec extension proposal [1]
17:10:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-irc#T16-19-21
17:10:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: publish blog post as wiki, put on front door, and announce to winter list [2]
17:10:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-i18n-irc#T17-02-17