IRC log of mlw-lt on 2013-02-13
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- Meeting: MLW-lT Phone call 13,2,2013 13.00 UTC
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- chair: daveL
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- present+ DaveLewis
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- present+ Karl
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- present+ shaunm
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- present+ leroy
- 13:03:08 [omstefanov]
- present+ omstefanov
- 13:03:20 [daveL_]
- regrets: felix, jirka, Dom, Jorge, Yves, Pablo
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- scribe: omstefanov
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- 13:04:38 [omstefanov]
- topic: 1) Action item and issue re-distribution
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0066.html
- 13:05:16 [omstefanov]
- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/open
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- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/open
- 13:05:40 [daveL_]
- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/open
- 13:05:59 [omstefanov]
- We start with open action items.
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- DaveL says lots are assigned to Felix, so we need volunteers to help
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- Action-215 (Generate a sample of testing involving XLIFF) David Filip has prepared some samples.
- 13:08:00 [omstefanov]
- At last meeting it was decided we need more samples, daveL made some, with Leroy, and after testing they will be put up
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- daveL is closing action item 215
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- Action-251 (make the necessary steps for the mime type section during last call mentioned at http://www.w3.org/2002/06/registering-mediatype) to Felix still open
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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- Action 277 (Color-code cells in Mappings table dependent on unstable ITS categories or in XLIFF) to David Filip is still ongoing as we still need work on XLIFF
- 13:09:51 [trackbot]
- Error finding '277'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/users>.
- 13:09:57 [fsasaki]
- present+ felix
- 13:10:21 [dF]
- present+ dF
- 13:10:35 [omstefanov]
- DaveL is willing to take over Action-310 (Go through the document and check data category naming (capital first letter plus hyperlink)
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- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/310 now daveL
- 13:11:21 [omstefanov]
- Action-333 (Check if the tables in the draft can get a caption and numbering (might need change to odd and xslt) DaveL is asking whether anyone other than Felix, from editors is on the call.
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- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/333
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- present+ Milan
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
- 13:12:14 [omstefanov]
- Shaunm will take over Action-333
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- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/333 now shaun
- 13:12:47 [omstefanov]
- Jirka has agreed to take over action-341 (check syntax highlighting of html examples with focus on quotes)
- 13:13:18 [omstefanov]
- ACTION-356 (Draft non-normative definition of "annotation") sill open with Christian L
- 13:13:34 [fsasaki]
- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/341 now jirka
- 13:13:39 [omstefanov]
- Action-377 (provide rewrite of section 1 and 2 by mid Jan, taking editoral comments in issue-61 into account)
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- David F to get involved with Action-377 (with Christian L)
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- present+ Pedro
- 13:15:47 [omstefanov]
- ACTION-378 (provide an example for clarified "uncategorized" quality issue type value, see 2) at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2012Dec/0022.html and issue-60) with Arle L - DaveL believes this is resolved
- 13:16:14 [omstefanov]
- Felix indicates that Arle wanted to make a clarification. Still needs to be implemented (the clarification)
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- Action-379 (provide an update of the mapping "quality issue type values to existing tool values", see 3) at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2012Dec/0022.html and issue-60)
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
- 13:16:48 [omstefanov]
- This is a non-normative topic that still needs to be updated (by Arle)
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- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/381 now daveL
- 13:17:32 [omstefanov]
- Action-381: DaveL is willing to take over from Felix. (Come back to "relation between data categories" examples mentioned at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Dec/0088.html)
- 13:17:32 [trackbot]
- Notes added to ACTION-381 Come back to "relation between data categories" examples mentioned at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Dec/0088.html.
- 13:18:14 [omstefanov]
- Action-385 (Shaun McC) Work on regex for validating regex subset proposal)
- 13:18:25 [tadej]
- present+ tadej
- 13:18:49 [omstefanov]
- On this, Felix had errors using Oxygen. Shaun will look in.
- 13:19:39 [omstefanov]
- Action-389 (Felix) (Change example on its-tool-annotation). DaveL will take over from Felix.
- 13:20:09 [fsasaki]
- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/389 now daveL
- 13:21:16 [fsasaki]
- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/390
- 13:21:23 [omstefanov]
- Action-390 (check disambig examples and test suite with regards to presence of annotatorsRef). Tadej says examples are all correct.
- 13:21:57 [omstefanov]
- omstefanov suggests referring to "disambig" as "text annotation" throughout further MLW-LT WG
- 13:22:05 [kfritsche]
- present+ cweins
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- DaveL says Tadej should assist editors here
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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- Action-389 - DaveL will take over from Felix
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- Action-390 remains open, with Tadej
- 13:24:58 [omstefanov]
- Action-392: Make the edit for issue 76. Does anyone know where Arle is on this. Felix says unclear whether just wording change or change of implementation.
- 13:24:58 [trackbot]
- Notes added to ACTION-392 Make the edit for issue 76.
- 13:25:42 [omstefanov]
- Action-393 (go back to Richard I. about new resolution for issue-79) DaveL
- 13:25:44 [fsasaki]
- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/79
- 13:25:51 [omstefanov]
- Davel is asking for someone to take over
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- Felix says just one sentence needs to be changed, email sent to Richard. DaveL agrees to take this over
- 13:27:10 [fsasaki]
- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/394
- 13:27:18 [omstefanov]
- Action-394 (Add links to examples for issue 80)
- 13:27:19 [fsasaki]
- action-394?
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- ACTION-394 -- Felix Sasaki to add links to examples for issue 80 -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/394
- 13:27:22 [fsasaki]
- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/80
- 13:27:56 [omstefanov]
- Felix suggests that this needs an editor to do this.
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- action-395?
- 13:28:40 [trackbot]
- ACTION-395 -- Felix Sasaki to check what of lang and xml;lang takes precedence -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
- 13:28:40 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/395
- 13:28:46 [fsasaki]
- action-395?
- 13:28:46 [trackbot]
- ACTION-395 -- Felix Sasaki to check what of lang and xml;lang takes precedence -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
- 13:28:46 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/395
- 13:29:46 [omstefanov]
- we discussed this last week. broad conclusion is that wording is okay. DaveL has followup action to see how this works with HTML vs. XML
- 13:30:04 [omstefanov]
- Felix will keep this action item.
- 13:30:12 [omstefanov]
- action-396?
- 13:30:12 [trackbot]
- ACTION-396 -- Ankit Srivastava to create example for xml;lang / lang -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
- 13:30:12 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/396
- 13:30:18 [fsasaki]
- action-396?
- 13:30:18 [trackbot]
- ACTION-396 -- Ankit Srivastava to create example for xml;lang / lang -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
- 13:30:18 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/396
- 13:30:58 [fsasaki]
- close action-396
- 13:30:58 [trackbot]
- Closed ACTION-396 Create example for xml;lang / lang.
- 13:31:02 [omstefanov]
- This action should be closed. Has been done.
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- action-398?
- 13:31:14 [trackbot]
- ACTION-398 -- Felix Sasaki to answer Richard to indicate we'll address this with a rule file in BP -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/398
- 13:31:21 [omstefanov]
- DaveL is taking this over.
- 13:31:34 [fsasaki]
- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/398 now daveL
- 13:31:39 [omstefanov]
- action-399?
- 13:31:39 [trackbot]
- ACTION-399 -- Felix Sasaki to draft non-normative section clarifying relations to HTML for issue 89 -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
- 13:31:39 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/399
- 13:31:51 [daveL_]
- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/89
- 13:32:18 [daveL_]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Jan/0071.html
- 13:33:49 [omstefanov]
- Felix explains that relation between its and HTML5 needs to be made more clear.
- 13:34:27 [omstefanov]
- DaveL asked Christian L whether this could be covered in Introduction (to its 2.0)
- 13:35:11 [omstefanov]
- Christian L says so far he has not written anything about this. Will do so in next draft, and get persons more knowledgable with HTML5 to review draft text.
- 13:35:37 [omstefanov]
- Should this action (399) be moved to Christian (to do in his update to Section 1)
- 13:35:41 [fsasaki]
- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/399 now christianL
- 13:35:53 [omstefanov]
- as no objections action 399 to christianL
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- Action-400?
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- ACTION-400 -- Felix Sasaki to edit the specification for Language (MUST missing, etc.) -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
- 13:36:15 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/400
- 13:36:42 [omstefanov]
- DaveL says simple edit ("must" missing, etc.)
- 13:41:22 [omstefanov]
- To be left pending, as DaveL and Felix cannot find substance of what needs to be done.
- 13:41:35 [omstefanov]
- action-405?
- 13:41:35 [trackbot]
- ACTION-405 -- Felix Sasaki to follow up with Christian on tekom as an option. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
- 13:41:35 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/405
- 13:42:16 [omstefanov]
- ... for a workshop towards the end of the year. Felix will keep open and follow up.
- 13:42:20 [omstefanov]
- action-408?
- 13:42:20 [trackbot]
- ACTION-408 -- Felix Sasaki to ensure that there is no MUST in any notes. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
- 13:42:20 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/408
- 13:42:49 [omstefanov]
- action-408: to DaveL
- 13:42:49 [trackbot]
- Notes added to ACTION-408 Ensure that there is no MUST in any notes..
- 13:42:53 [fsasaki]
- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/408 now daveL
- 13:42:56 [omstefanov]
- action-412?
- 13:42:56 [trackbot]
- ACTION-412 -- Felix Sasaki to let Norbert know that issue-95 is out of scope. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
- 13:42:56 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/412
- 13:43:18 [omstefanov]
- action-414: to DaveL
- 13:43:18 [trackbot]
- Notes added to ACTION-414 Make edit for issue-100 and get back to Norbert..
- 13:43:29 [omstefanov]
- will follow up with Norbert
- 13:43:32 [omstefanov]
- action-415?
- 13:43:32 [trackbot]
- ACTION-415 -- Felix Sasaki to update unicode reference for issue-104 -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
- 13:43:32 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/415
- 13:44:02 [omstefanov]
- keep with Felix and keep open
- 13:44:06 [omstefanov]
- action-416?
- 13:44:06 [trackbot]
- ACTION-416 -- Karl Fritsche to propose solution to Norbert and then Felix can add to spec. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
- 13:44:06 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/416
- 13:44:39 [omstefanov]
- Karl said a solution was proposed, sent to Norbert, but no response as of now.
- 13:44:56 [omstefanov]
- DaveL asks Karl to send a 2nd reminder (to Norbert).
- 13:45:03 [omstefanov]
- needs to be done as spec change
- 13:45:07 [omstefanov]
- action-419?
- 13:45:07 [trackbot]
- ACTION-419 -- Jirka Kosek to make schematron tests described at http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Ownership_of_rfc2119_statements#Purpose -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
- 13:45:07 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/419
- 13:45:16 [omstefanov]
- pending, as Jirka not on cal
- 13:45:20 [omstefanov]
- action-420?
- 13:45:20 [trackbot]
- ACTION-420 -- Felix Sasaki to make edit for issue-111 -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
- 13:45:20 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/420
- 13:45:44 [fsasaki]
- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/111
- 13:45:54 [fsasaki]
- "Implementations MUST NOT combine lists of language ranges from multiple rules or local attributes." This is not needed: overriding of ITS information covers this, hence deleting the sentence.
- 13:46:26 [omstefanov]
- action420: to Jirka
- 13:47:14 [omstefanov]
- aCTION-412?
- 13:47:14 [trackbot]
- ACTION-412 -- David Lewis to let Norbert know that issue-95 is out of scope. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
- 13:47:14 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/412
- 13:47:39 [omstefanov]
- quality-related "must" statements. to be kept open for Arle
- 13:47:48 [omstefanov]
- action-422?
- 13:47:48 [trackbot]
- ACTION-422 -- Arle Lommel to do copy-editing on the spec -- due 2013-04-01 -- OPEN
- 13:47:48 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/422
- 13:48:07 [omstefanov]
- any volunteers to assist, as Arle busy leading up to Rome
- 13:48:32 [omstefanov]
- Shaunm volunteers to help
- 13:49:45 [omstefanov]
- DaveL says, exclude look at Section 1, but rest, incl. annexes needs careful read through.
- 13:50:40 [omstefanov]
- Shaunm asks about whether changes need to be approved. DaveL indicates editorial changes do not, anything that changes meaning does.
- 13:50:52 [omstefanov]
- David F points out that this doesn
- 13:51:16 [omstefanov]
- 't need to be pushed too hard, as Arle took this over with deadline in April.
- 13:52:03 [omstefanov]
- Felix points out that we now need to concentrate on normative changes. Editorial changes can wait.
- 13:52:19 [omstefanov]
- action-423?
- 13:52:19 [trackbot]
- ACTION-423 -- Felix Sasaki to do edits for issue-113 -- due 2013-01-31 -- OPEN
- 13:52:19 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/423
- 13:52:31 [daveL_]
- https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/113
- 13:52:57 [omstefanov]
- Felix suggests giving this to Yves (not on call).
- 13:53:30 [omstefanov]
- action-424?
- 13:53:30 [trackbot]
- ACTION-424 -- Arle Lommel to fix section 8.9 note: "since the extra training resources does not justify the improvement in the output." -> "since the extra training resources do not justify the improvement in the output." -- due 2013-01-31 -- OPEN
- 13:53:31 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/424
- 13:53:41 [omstefanov]
- leave with Arle
- 13:53:46 [omstefanov]
- action-426?
- 13:53:46 [trackbot]
- ACTION-426 -- Arle Lommel to create an indicator for poster relations -- due 2013-01-31 -- OPEN
- 13:53:46 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/426
- 13:54:09 [omstefanov]
- DaveL sent out something on this earlier today.
- 13:54:14 [omstefanov]
- Wait until reactions.
- 13:54:21 [omstefanov]
- action428?
- 13:54:43 [omstefanov]
- were going to have separate page, but now want people to update their links on their use pages
- 13:55:05 [fsasaki]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary
- 13:55:08 [omstefanov]
- asks ChristianL to check other links to see if up-to-date (implementations of use cases)
- 13:55:18 [omstefanov]
- action-429?
- 13:55:18 [trackbot]
- ACTION-429 -- Felix Sasaki to check xliff ITS mapping namespace hosting in w3c -- due 2013-01-31 -- OPEN
- 13:55:18 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/429
- 13:55:40 [omstefanov]
- Felix says not urgent for its spec
- 13:55:43 [omstefanov]
- can wait
- 13:55:46 [omstefanov]
- action430?
- 13:55:56 [omstefanov]
- action-430?
- 13:55:56 [trackbot]
- ACTION-430 -- Shaun McCance to draft text explaining importance of Unicode normalization and best practices on ISSUE-67 -- due 2013-02-04 -- OPEN
- 13:55:56 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/430
- 13:56:06 [omstefanov]
- ongoing
- 13:56:21 [omstefanov]
- Christian asks to spend 2 min on high level use cases
- 13:56:49 [omstefanov]
- Christian recommends that we will benefit if using some sort of template for examples.
- 13:57:05 [omstefanov]
- Christian says has largely been done, but sees one discrepancy
- 13:57:19 [omstefanov]
- is referring to 3rd part in each section template
- 13:57:26 [chriLi]
- More Information and Implementation Status/Issues
- 13:58:00 [chriLi]
- Detailed slides at , Running software, ....
- 13:58:08 [omstefanov]
- in some sections we have detail slides and running software and source code (not in other?)
- 13:58:17 [chriLi]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary#Simple_Machine_Translation
- 13:58:42 [omstefanov]
- should we have guidance that each and every implementor be required to do this?
- 13:58:58 [omstefanov]
- is this appropriate information to have in a note?
- 13:59:12 [omstefanov]
- DaveL suggests that one option is NOT to have it in.
- 13:59:28 [omstefanov]
- ChristianL responds that at this point in time this info is very useful.
- 14:00:00 [omstefanov]
- But, ChristianL says he sees how some of this info can become "stale" over time and thus sees not have it in formal note
- 14:01:15 [omstefanov]
- felix suggests leaving a working draft that, before the WG closes later this year that can be updated later
- 14:02:35 [daveL_]
- action: dlewis6 to send mail instructing use case writer to include linked to further information and working prototpyes
- 14:02:35 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-448 - Send mail instructing use case writer to include linked to further information and working prototpyes [on David Lewis - due 2013-02-20].
- 14:03:39 [omstefanov]
- DaveL asks felix whether there is anything else to take over
- 14:04:24 [daveL_]
- olaf made point that flights and hotel in rome are going quickly
- 14:05:17 [omstefanov]
- felix asks whether to skip Monday call
- 14:06:14 [omstefanov]
- DaveL suggests that there are issues for Monday. (Tadej and Christian to report.) DaveL will chair again.
- 14:06:38 [omstefanov]
- Felix indicates that there will be NO merging of datacategories, only levels dropped
- 14:07:03 [omstefanov]
- Felix thinks that the name changes can also be accepted as non-normative.
- 14:08:03 [omstefanov]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:08:03 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html omstefanov
- 14:10:59 [daveL_]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
- 14:10:59 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html daveL_
- 14:11:11 [daveL_]
- rrsagent, make logs public
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki