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15:06:03 <deiu> I'm afraid I can't participate with voice :(
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15:06:20 <bblfish> trackbot, start telecon
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15:06:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WEBID
15:06:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see INC_WEBID(WEBID)10:00AM already started
15:06:25 <trackbot> Meeting: WebID Community Group Teleconference
15:06:25 <trackbot> Date: 08 February 2013
15:06:37 <bblfish> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Feb/0044.html
15:06:42 <scorlosq> scribe: scorlosq
15:07:17 <bblfish> Topic: Meeting minutes from last time
15:07:19 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2013/02/01-webid-minutes.html
15:07:38 <bblfish> +1
15:07:57 <scorlosq> +1
15:07:58 <bblfish> q?
15:07:58 <bergi> +1
15:08:16 <bblfish> Topic: ACtions
15:08:27 <bblfish> Action-17
15:08:27 <trackbot> ACTION-17 -- Jeff Sayre to cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop -- due 2011-06-30 -- OPEN
15:08:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/17
15:09:02 <scorlosq> bblfish: last week we said the context has changed a lot
15:09:20 <bblfish> Does anybody want to take this on?
15:09:26 <scorlosq> Zakim: scribe: scorlosq
15:09:33 <bblfish> otherwise we close it
15:09:54 <bblfish> I say we close it
15:09:55 <scorlosq> scribenick: scorlosq
15:10:00 <bblfish> +1
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15:10:10 <bergi> +1
15:10:21 <bblfish> close action-17
15:10:21 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-17 Cross reference SocialWeb XG stories with WebID XG. There will be a handful of intersections that make sense to further develop.
15:10:24 <Zakim> +TallTed
15:10:39 <bblfish> Action-41?
15:10:39 <trackbot> ACTION-41 -- Henry Story to research RDFa in HTML forms -- due 2011-10-10 -- OPEN
15:10:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/41
15:11:01 <scorlosq> bblfish: it was one of the first action I created
15:11:12 <scorlosq> ... so long ago, we can close it
15:11:50 <scorlosq> scorlosq: RDFa doesn't cover forms, so we can close
15:11:54 <bblfish> close action-41
15:11:54 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-41 Research RDFa in HTML forms.
15:11:59 <scorlosq> bblfish: are they going to cover forms in RDFa?
15:12:05 <scorlosq> scorlosq: no, not in this version at least
15:12:09 <bblfish> action-39
15:12:09 <trackbot> ACTION-39 -- Dominik Tomaszuk to create rdfa version for EARL test ontology -- due 2011-09-19 -- OPEN
15:12:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/39
15:12:41 <bblfish> dominik?
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15:13:08 <scorlosq> bblfish: it's nice to have, but we haven't made much progress on the EARL ontology
15:13:14 <scorlosq> ... so I think we can close that
15:13:24 <Zakim> +??P6
15:13:27 <bblfish> also its just a very nice to have. Nothing esential
15:13:37 <bblfish> close action-39
15:13:37 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-39 create rdfa version for EARL test ontology.
15:13:38 <deiu> Zakim, ??P6 is me
15:13:39 <Zakim> +deiu; got it
15:13:46 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please
15:13:46 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
15:13:50 <bblfish>  Action-59?
15:13:50 <trackbot> ACTION-59 -- Andrei Sambra to adapt spec to results of vote -- due 2013-02-08 -- OPEN
15:13:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/59
15:14:04 <scorlosq> bblfish: this has been raising some issues on the list
15:14:29 <scorlosq> ... but I'd say deiu has done his work. the definition section has been adapted
15:14:48 <scorlosq> ... there are still other issues to be discussed, but not as part of this issue
15:15:00 <bblfish> vote to close this action
15:15:02 <bblfish> +1
15:15:07 <deiu> +1
15:15:16 <scorlosq> +1
15:15:18 <TallTed> q+
15:15:22 <bblfish> q?
15:16:43 <deiu> q+
15:16:47 <scorlosq> TallTed: the action doesn't reflect what deiu did in the spec. we should either create a new action to reflect what he did, or update the action to reflect what deiu did in the spec
15:17:18 <bblfish> q?
15:17:21 <bblfish> q+
15:17:29 <deiu> ack deiu
15:17:37 <scorlosq> ... causes some misunderstanding
15:18:01 <scorlosq> deiu: this note that caused arguments was already in the spec before I made the changes
15:18:06 <bblfish> q+
15:18:25 <scorlosq> TallTed: so this action should be rescoped to reflect what was done
15:18:37 <bergi> q+
15:19:07 <bblfish> ack bblfish
15:19:13 <scorlosq> TallTed: I know the note was there before, so the action "adapt the spec" needs to be updated.
15:20:08 <scorlosq> ... let's change the wording on this action, and create a new one to make sure the spec reflects the decision that was made
15:20:45 <scorlosq> bblfish: I'm not convinced by the arguments put on the list
15:21:11 <scorlosq> TallTed: the new definition needs to flow through the rest of the spec
15:21:17 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please
15:21:18 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
15:21:49 <scorlosq> bblfish: we should create an issue about that note
15:22:23 <scorlosq> q+
15:22:27 <TallTed> raise issue: revised WebID definition ("an HTTP(s) URI" without mention of hash) needs to be fully flowed through spec
15:22:45 <scorlosq> bblfish: we need to cover the relation between the WebID URI and the profile document URI
15:23:45 <scorlosq> bblfish: we have agreed to the definition, but we have more work to do now to refine that note
15:24:44 <TallTed> q?
15:24:46 <scorlosq> bblfish: the question of the new issue is how much do we say about the hash, 303s, and relation between documents
15:24:46 <bblfish> q?
15:25:21 <deiu> bergi, try to write
15:26:04 <bblfish> scorlosquet: argues to close the action, and open a new issue to solve this new problem
15:26:13 <TallTed> 1. change action-59 to be accurate (change *definition*, not *spec*, to reflect decision)
15:27:18 <bergi> if we look at the arguments in the last questionnaire we can expect that we can remove also the note we are currently talking about.
15:27:19 <scorlosq> +1
15:27:24 <deiu> +1
15:27:34 <TallTed> 2. I'll raise new issue based on the current thread
15:27:38 <deiu> q+
15:28:05 <TallTed> ack me
15:28:15 <bergi> alternative: move this note to the wiki?
15:29:00 <scorlosq> new title "Adapt definition within spec to the results of vote"
15:29:05 <bblfish> Action-59?
15:29:05 <trackbot> ACTION-59 -- Andrei Sambra to adapt definition within spec to the results of vote -- due 2013-02-08 -- OPEN
15:29:05 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/59
15:29:12 <bblfish> close it?
15:29:15 <scorlosq> +1
15:29:16 <bblfish> +1
15:29:17 <deiu> +1
15:29:23 <TallTed> PROPOSAL: close Action-59
15:29:25 <TallTed> +1
15:29:26 <scorlosq> +1
15:29:29 <deiu> +
15:29:29 <bergi> +1
15:29:32 <TallTed> RESOLVED: close Action-59
15:29:34 <deiu> +1
15:29:37 <bblfish> +1
15:29:51 <scorlosq> action has been closed
15:29:51 <trackbot> Error finding 'has'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/users>.
15:30:16 <deiu> q?
15:30:22 <bergi> q-
15:30:24 <TallTed> action-59?
15:30:24 <trackbot> ACTION-59 -- Andrei Sambra to adapt definition within spec to the results of vote -- due 2013-02-08 -- CLOSED
15:30:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/59
15:30:40 <scorlosq> bblfish: someone will create a new issue to follow up on the note
15:30:55 <deiu> q-
15:30:55 <bblfish> ACTION-57?
15:30:55 <trackbot> ACTION-57 -- Andrei Sambra to remove redundant sections from https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/index-respec.html, based on content of https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/identity-respec.html ; former doc to then become https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/raw-file/tip/spec/auth-respec.html -- due 2013-02-08 -- OPEN
15:30:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/57
15:31:52 <Zakim> -deiu
15:31:55 <bblfish> q?
15:32:34 <scorlosq> bblfish: this action was not worded properly, too vague
15:32:50 <scorlosq> TallTed: the original respec doc has been split into document
15:33:01 <Zakim> +??P3
15:33:05 <deiu> Zakim, ??P3 is me
15:33:05 <Zakim> +deiu; got it
15:33:07 <bblfish> q?
15:33:24 <scorlosq> ... the stuff from identity gets removed from auth
15:33:37 <scorlosq> ... auth depends on identity
15:33:44 <deiu> Zakim, mute me
15:33:44 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
15:33:59 <scorlosq> bblfish: it's a big task, not finished yet
15:34:11 <deiu> q?
15:34:17 <scorlosq> q-
15:34:38 <deiu> q+
15:34:47 <deiu> ack me
15:34:54 <scorlosq> TallTed: deiu will take care of the details
15:35:12 <scorlosq> deiu: yes, it's a work in progress, depends on the current state of the identity spec
15:35:54 <scorlosq> ... maybe we should duplicate the definitions in both specs, they are not big
15:36:42 <scorlosq> TallTed: if you duplicate them, say one is normative and the other is non normative and depends on the other doc
15:36:53 <bobP> +q
15:36:59 <scorlosq> ... duplicate content is a nightmare to keep in sync
15:37:15 <scorlosq> deiu: we may have to adapt some images
15:37:37 <scorlosq> bblfish: yes, like this big box which shows protected documents
15:38:05 <bobP> -q
15:38:10 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please
15:38:10 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
15:38:16 <bblfish> ACTION 53?
15:38:21 <bblfish> ACTION-53?
15:38:21 <trackbot> ACTION-53 -- Andrei Sambra to create do open issue in database, and create page on security -- due 2013-02-01 -- OPEN
15:38:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/53
15:38:33 <bblfish> that is done right?
15:38:35 <deiu> Zakim, unmute me
15:38:35 <Zakim> deiu should no longer be muted
15:38:40 <scorlosq> deiu: yes
15:38:55 <scorlosq> bblfish: is it linked from the main page of the wiki so we don't lose the page?
15:39:02 <scorlosq> deiu: I will do it now
15:39:16 <bblfish> close issue-53
15:39:16 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-53 WebID and OpenId.
15:39:43 <bblfish> close Action-53
15:39:43 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-53 Create do open issue in database, and create page on security.
15:39:50 <bblfish> Issue-53?
15:39:50 <trackbot> ISSUE-53 -- WebID and OpenId -- closed
15:39:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/53
15:40:19 <bblfish> Topic: Issues
15:40:23 <scorlosq> 53 reopened
15:40:32 <bblfish> thanks
15:40:36 <bblfish> ISSUE-61: xsd datatypes
15:40:36 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-61 xsd datatypes.
15:40:49 <bblfish> Issue-61?
15:40:49 <trackbot> ISSUE-61 -- xsd datatypes -- open
15:40:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/61
15:41:03 <bblfish> this was solved a long a long time ago
15:41:13 <bblfish> Proposal: close issue
15:41:20 <bblfish> Proposal: close issue-61
15:41:45 <bblfish> +1
15:42:00 <bblfish> Proposal: close issue-61 - it was resolved a long time ago
15:42:05 <TallTed> +1
15:42:06 <bblfish> +1
15:42:06 <scorlosq> +1
15:42:07 <bergi> +1
15:42:20 <scorlosq> RESOLVED:  close issue-61 - it was resolved a long time ago
15:42:20 <bblfish> Resolved: close issue-61 - it was resolved a long time ago
15:42:43 <bblfish> ISSUE-50?
15:42:43 <trackbot> ISSUE-50 -- WebID deployments -- raised
15:42:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/50
15:42:57 <bblfish> ISSUE-49?
15:42:57 <trackbot> ISSUE-49 -- Keep a list of implementations of WebId up to date -- raised
15:42:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/49
15:43:05 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please
15:43:05 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
15:44:20 <scorlosq> TallTed: these issues are different
15:44:34 <scorlosq> bblfish: these are part of the implementations we are meant to build
15:44:47 <Zakim> -deiu
15:45:02 <scorlosq> bblfish: my idea was to build a robot that would manually generate an implementation report
15:45:53 <scorlosq> TallTed: the state of the art is an EARL generated report. it's up to implementers to generate the EARL output and submit this to the WebID group
15:46:43 <scorlosq> bblfish: my idea was to build a robot that would go out on the web to collect statistics on WebID implementations
15:47:01 <scorlosq> TallTed: deployments and implementations are completely different
15:47:42 <scorlosq> scorlosq: is this a crawler?
15:48:15 <scorlosq> bblfish: not really, when someone sets up a WebId server, they can register it with the robot, and the robot will test it
15:48:30 <scorlosq> TallTed: this is blurring the line between implementations and deployments
15:48:39 <bblfish> q?
15:49:18 <scorlosq> TallTed: W3C doesn't test deployments... it only cares about test suite for particular implementations/softwares
15:51:02 <scorlosq> TallTed: there should be an implementation report for conformance of WebID implementations
15:51:24 <scorlosq> bblfish: here is an example of EARL report: http://rdfa.info/earl-reports/earl.html
15:51:54 <scorlosq> TallTed: bblfish you should talk to people who have been in this position before
15:51:57 <scorlosq> DAvid Booth
15:52:06 <TallTed> Guus also
15:52:51 <scorlosq> bblfish: we might need to rename some of the issues or products
15:53:28 <scorlosq> TallTed: I'll probably create new products and reassign each issue from the old products to the new products
15:53:46 <bobP> +1 good names are always important
15:53:51 <bblfish> ISSUE-66?
15:53:51 <trackbot> ISSUE-66 -- Microdata Support -- raised
15:53:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/66
15:54:15 <bblfish> q?
15:54:57 <scorlosq> TallTed: this is for TLS... it's how the consumer deals with what its gets, in my role as a webid client
15:55:11 <scorlosq> ... I may deal with a webid client in a minimum form
15:55:34 <scorlosq> bblfish: we can also postpone it for another WG maybe
15:55:48 <scorlosq> ... we should first try to get a spec to get people going
15:56:16 <scorlosq> TallTed: but we also don't want to write the simple spec saying that people have done more are not in line with the spec
15:56:20 <scorlosq> bblfish: agreed
15:57:31 <bblfish> Proposal: postpone issue-66 because of lack of resources currently.
15:57:49 <scorlosq> +1
15:57:52 <bblfish> +1
15:57:59 <scorlosq> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:57:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bob_Powers, bblfish, ??P42, scor, TallTed
15:58:05 <bergi> +1
15:58:32 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: WebID Community Group -- http://www.w3.org/community/webid/ -- 2013-02-08 agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Feb/0044.html
15:58:51 <TallTed> +1
15:59:02 <bblfish> Resolve: postpone issue-66 because of lack of resources currently.
15:59:07 <bblfish> ISSUE-10?
15:59:07 <trackbot> ISSUE-10 -- Hash URLs for Agents -- raised
15:59:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/10
15:59:46 <bobP> it's 2 years old!
15:59:49 <scorlosq> TallTed: it's redundant
15:59:59 <bblfish> Proposal: ISSUE-10 close it's redundant
16:00:02 <bblfish> +1
16:00:05 <TallTed> +1
16:00:05 <scorlosq> +1
16:00:13 <bergi> +1
16:00:47 <bblfish> ISSUE-55?
16:00:47 <trackbot> ISSUE-55 -- explore WebID URI-schema openness -- raised
16:00:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/55
16:01:40 <bobP> others, like mail etc?
16:02:36 <bblfish> Proposal: ISSUE-55 move to identity interoperability section
16:03:17 <bobP> +1
16:03:32 <scorlosq> TallTed: by restricting WebID to HTTP/HTTPS only, we limit the possibilities of future work... browsers for example handle many schemes (or hand them to helper applications)
16:05:22 <bblfish> Propsal: close Issue-55 it's been resolved by the WebID definition.
16:05:26 <TallTed> -1
16:05:30 <bblfish> Proposal: close Issue-55 it's been resolved by the WebID definition.
16:05:32 <bblfish> +1
16:05:44 <scorlosq> +1
16:05:47 <bergi> +1
16:05:54 <TallTed> -1
16:06:23 <bblfish> thanks very much all.
16:06:24 <scorlosq> thanks everyone!
16:06:30 <bobP> thx!!
16:06:37 <bblfish> Topic: next call
16:06:42 <scorlosq> next call in 2 weeks?
16:06:45 <bblfish> +1
16:06:48 <scorlosq> +1
16:06:50 <bobP> +1
16:07:19 <bblfish> see you in two weeks
16:07:28 <Zakim> -??P42
16:07:29 <Zakim> -TallTed
16:07:29 <Zakim> -Bob_Powers
16:07:29 <Zakim> -scor
16:07:30 <Zakim> -bblfish
16:07:30 <Zakim> INC_WEBID(WEBID)10:00AM has ended
16:07:30 <Zakim> Attendees were Bob_Powers, bblfish, scor, TallTed, deiu
16:07:39 <scorlosq> trackbot, end conference
16:07:39 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:07:39 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:07:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:07:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/08-webid-minutes.html trackbot
16:07:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:07:48 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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16:27:23 <TallTed> RRSAgent, set logs public
16:27:53 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:27:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/08-webid-minutes.html TallTed
16:27:57 <TallTed> RRSAgent, set logs public
16:28:12 <TallTed> hm.  looks like more than permissions.
16:28:26 <TallTed> http://www.w3.org/2013/02/08-webid-irc     is there
16:30:44 <TallTed> bblfish - can you ping sysreq and ask what's going on?
16:33:56 <TallTed> WebID isn't in CommonScribe (which is the new fancy minutes generator) -- https://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/panel/
16:33:56 <TallTed> and RRSAgent's output (old school minutes generation) isn't going where it says it is
16:42:30 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
16:42:30 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2013/02/08-webid-irc#T16-42-30
16:43:36 <sandro> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:43:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/08-webid-minutes.html sandro
16:43:54 <sandro> *shrug*   that time it worked.
16:44:17 <sandro> TallTed, do you think I should let groups use commonscribe without, like, me needing to add them manually?
16:44:47 <sandro> funny question, just ... I don't know if there's much demand.
17:14:13 <TallTed> weirdness.  glad it worked for you!
17:16:17 <TallTed> sandro - if you want to encourage use of commonscribe, then yes, I'd remove as many hurdles as possible.
17:16:18 <TallTed> I'd also try to publicize whatever benefits come from the new vs the old (which I'm not clear on, honestly -- right now, all I know is the new is more work than the old).
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