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21:57:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be INDIE
21:57:24 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
21:57:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Independent User Interface Task Force Teleconference
21:57:26 <trackbot> Date: 23 January 2013
21:57:39 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2013Jan/0041.html
21:57:57 <MichaelC> Chair: Janina_Sajka
21:57:57 <MichaelC> agenda+	Telecon Time Scheduling; Upcoming Calls
21:57:57 <MichaelC> agenda+	Events FPWD http://www.w3.org/TR/indie-ui-events/
21:57:57 <MichaelC> agenda+	User Module Update
21:57:57 <MichaelC> agenda+	Closed Issues https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/closed
21:57:58 <MichaelC> agenda+	Open Issues https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/open
21:58:00 <MichaelC> agenda+	Unassigned Responsibilities; Test Planning
21:58:02 <MichaelC> agenda+	Scribe for our Next Teleconference (on 6 February at 18:00Z)
21:58:16 <jcraig> Partial regrets. I'll be on the IRC channel but may not be able to join the call due to a conflicting meeting.
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21:59:20 <andy> conference not open yet
21:59:34 <MichaelC> zakim, room for 15?
21:59:36 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; conference Team_(indie-ui)21:59Z scheduled with code 46343 (INDIE) for 60 minutes until 2259Z
21:59:47 <Zakim> Team_(indie-ui)21:59Z has now started
21:59:54 <Zakim> +??P0
21:59:59 <Zakim> +??P1
22:00:07 <janina> zakim, ??P1 is Janina_Sajka
22:00:07 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
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22:00:54 <Zakim> +[Apple]
22:00:59 <hober> Zakim, Apple is me
22:00:59 <Zakim> +hober; got it
22:01:04 <Zakim> +??P3
22:01:12 <Zakim> +??P5
22:01:14 <andy> probably me
22:01:19 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P3 is Andy_Heath
22:01:19 <Zakim> +Andy_Heath; got it
22:01:24 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P5 is Jason_White
22:01:24 <Zakim> +Jason_White; got it
22:02:15 <janina> Meeting: IndieUI Task Force Teleconference
22:02:15 <janina> Chair: Janina_Sajka
22:02:15 <janina> agenda+ Telecon Time Scheduling; Upcoming Calls
22:02:15 <janina> agenda+ Events FPWD http://www.w3.org/TR/indie-ui-events/
22:02:15 <janina> agenda+ User Module Update
22:02:18 <janina> agenda+ Closed Issues https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/closed
22:02:20 <janina> agenda+ Open Issues https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/open
22:02:23 <janina> agenda+ Unassigned Responsibilities; Test Planning
22:02:25 <janina> agenda+ Scribe for our Next Teleconference (on 6 February at 18:00Z)
22:02:28 <janina> agenda+ Be Done
22:03:54 <Zakim> + +1.703.861.aaaa
22:04:17 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is really Katie_Haritos_Shea
22:04:18 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos_Shea; got it
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22:05:59 <MichaelC> scribe: Ryladog
22:06:44 <janina>  zakim, take up item 1
22:06:44 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Telecon Time Scheduling; Upcoming Calls" taken up [from MichaelC]
22:07:27 <Ryladog> JS: We are in two time slots every other week
22:07:44 <Ryladog> JS: We meet at 1 bostson 1100 zulu
22:08:22 <Ryladog> JS: 5 Boston or 2200 zulu
22:08:57 <Ryladog> JS: The problem will be ablout 6 weeks, and 1700 boston becomes 7am Melbourne time
22:09:10 <Ryladog> AH: that works for me
22:09:50 <Ryladog> JW: that could be a problem for Tokyo
22:10:25 <Ryladog> JS: WE get back in sinq - the offset is goes away
22:10:32 <Ryladog> AH: that is a time for me
22:10:44 <Ryladog> I usually have 3pm meetings
22:11:08 <MichaelC> s/I/TOC: I/
22:11:08 <Ryladog> JS: This will help with participation if we make it more regular
22:11:57 <Ryladog> JS: Lets make the 5pm BOston the time for this call, I will put this out to the list, net call would be the 16th of Fen 2200 zulu
22:12:09 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
22:12:09 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Events FPWD http://www.w3.org/TR/indie-ui-events/" taken up [from MichaelC]
22:12:54 <Ryladog> JS: We have a done deal Public Working Drft. Please let your collqeagues know
22:13:46 <Ryladog>  JS: Latest version the URL above will take you two
22:13:48 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
22:13:48 <Zakim> agendum 3. "User Module Update" taken up [from MichaelC]
22:14:14 <Ryladog> JS: ANdy any update on the usrr modulespec?
22:14:58 <Ryladog> AH: I will get it, I want to run it past GPII, I would like to get a draft out before the end of January, but that should be in time before the next call
22:15:17 <Ryladog> JS: That would be good for it to take more of our call time
22:15:40 <Ryladog> JS: WE need all the User Needs
22:16:05 <Ryladog> AH: I did propose some intro text for the document. Janes is going to look at that, I am not sure he has
22:16:11 <jcraig> I don't think the User Agent spec is ready for GPII review. We need Andy's proposed list of keys first.
22:16:28 <jcraig> s/Agent/Context/
22:17:01 <Ryladog> AH: That is correct, I am not sending any IndieUI work to GPII
22:17:39 <Ryladog> AH: I just want to be sure that that is consiistant. It os mostly the prefernence
22:17:40 <jcraig> I'm misreading the minutes then.
22:17:57 <Ryladog> AH: He was going to look at the introductorry text is
22:18:43 <andy> Do you mean you are misreading the IRC James ?
22:18:46 <Ryladog> AH: sorry James: Is it my minutes or Andys minutes you are misreading?
22:19:44 <jcraig> Re: Andy's intro text, I am planning to work on the UC draft in Feb.
22:20:20 <Ryladog> JS: That is what we said and that KHS meant to minute
22:20:21 <jcraig> The part I misunderstood was "AH: I will get if [UC Draft], I want to run it past GPII, I would like to get a draft out before the end of January, but that should be in time before the next call"
22:21:08 <andy> What I was saying James was to run my informal work on how to style it past the GPII people for any comments on their stylistic approach - e.g they like camel case and have particular ways to represent prefs - I'm trying to harmonise where I can but I'm not running anything IndieUI past them - just my informal notes
22:21:47 <Ryladog> JS: Works for me
22:21:57 <jcraig> Ok. It was the phrase "get a draft out before the end of January" that threw me.
22:22:08 <Ryladog> JS: Where is your introductory text
22:22:15 <Ryladog> AH: It was last month
22:22:38 <Ryladog> JS: I found it, it is 32
22:22:41 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-indie-ui/2012Dec/0017.html
22:22:59 <janina> Above URI is Andy's proposed intro text from back in December
22:23:43 <Ryladog> JS: This URL is for the Introductortu text. We will aim at discussing this next meeting. James will restle it into the first working draft for user needs module
22:24:16 <Ryladog> AH: I dont think there is anything that we can discuss noe
22:24:17 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
22:24:17 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Closed Issues https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/closed" taken up [from MichaelC]
22:24:54 <Ryladog> JS: Is it worthwhile for us to go through these two next itesm without James
22:25:10 <Ryladog> JS: Anyine want us to go through open items
22:25:12 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
22:25:12 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, Ryladog
22:25:12 <jcraig> My meeting is wrapping up. I can join the call now.
22:25:18 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
22:25:18 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Open Issues https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/open" taken up [from MichaelC]
22:26:06 <Ryladog> JS: We need someone to help this team with testing
22:26:12 <Zakim> +James_Craig
22:26:15 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
22:26:15 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
22:26:16 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:26:16 <Zakim> 6. Unassigned Responsibilities; Test Planning [from MichaelC]
22:26:17 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
22:26:17 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Unassigned Responsibilities; Test Planning" taken up [from MichaelC]
22:26:32 <Ryladog> JS: In PF we had a premature spec without testing
22:26:44 <Ryladog> JS: Running the tests is really trivial
22:26:58 <Ryladog> JS: Creating the supporting environments is the hard work
22:27:12 <Ryladog> JC: I am here
22:27:31 <Ryladog> JS: I went out of order becasue you werent here but that is fine
22:27:57 <Ryladog> MC: We are going to need to think about what the test reqs are going to be and how we are going to execute the test
22:28:22 <Ryladog> and iebifying test cases for that methodology, not necessarily do it themselves
22:28:47 <Ryladog> the responsibility to be sutre it gets done in a timely fashion for a complete test swuit
22:29:09 <Ryladog> MC: We need to build a culture of volunteers wrtining test case
22:29:18 <Ryladog> MC: They would work with me
22:29:28 <Ryladog> MC: Thee person we need is a teest editoe
22:29:58 <Ryladog> JC: Hoefully all of our features will be automatable and reusedable
22:30:16 <Ryladog> JC: The aspect should be publically avaiable
22:30:27 <Ryladog> JS: That is what is cool ablout a webkit
22:30:42 <Ryladog> JS: That will give us one of our implementation tequirmenets
22:31:08 <Ryladog> JS: Name is we need a "Test Editor"
22:31:37 <Ryladog> JS: We may need to do some recruiting for tthat. THat just means it takes us longer to get it done
22:31:56 <Ryladog> AH: I may know someone from a small co who may be interested in it
22:32:14 <Ryladog> JW: It would be good if it was someone who had done this kind of work before
22:32:42 <Ryladog> JC: ARAI call, there is a need for the creation of testable statements - that can be done by anybody who has read the spec
22:32:59 <Ryladog> JC: maybe we want to that later to last call working draft
22:33:27 <Ryladog> JC: There is not a whole lot of shared work that can be doone with the simpler test cases
22:33:59 <Ryladog> JC: The webkit for ARIA is one file - that may or may not be essily done
22:34:11 <Ryladog> JC: First we need the testable statment craetion
22:34:44 <Ryladog> JC: End to end test working examples, test cases like ARIA grids
22:35:40 <Ryladog> JC: All of the test suite stuff is very usefull. I we want tp rrely on automation than we want those
22:35:58 <Ryladog> JS: I dpnt no what other automated support we would have outside of weblit
22:36:16 <Ryladog> MC: That is one thing that a test editor could be looking in to
22:36:35 <Ryladog> MC: There is a value in creating some of the test cases now.
22:37:22 <Ryladog> JS: It is slightly too soon to be writing the test cases, but it is the tinme to write the description for the test ediotr role
22:37:38 <Ryladog> JS: Please talk to your friend about this as a candidate
22:38:17 <Ryladog> JS: We have some people with some expertise or we need to recruit - it would be useful to be having someone help us
22:38:44 <Ryladog> JS: Open Issues amd Closed Issues?
22:38:51 <Ryladog> JC: Sure, let me look
22:39:42 <Ryladog> JC: Everything that is there is straightforward events or it is about the user context - so too soon
22:39:48 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
22:39:48 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Scribe for our Next Teleconference (on 6 February at 18:00Z)" taken up [from MichaelC]
22:40:26 <Ryladog> JS: New agenda item: W3C management wants us to vet our requirenents to the public
22:41:12 <Ryladog> JS: When we think our req are fairly ready - then they want us to put those ideas out there for comment - earlier on then they have done in the past
22:41:15 <jcraig> Zakim, who is on the call?
22:41:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael_Cooper, Janina_Sajka, hober, Andy_Heath, Jason_White, Katie_Haritos_Shea, James_Craig
22:41:23 <janina> q?
22:41:40 <Ryladog> JW: Does that mean that the Wiki page should be avaible for review, or a W3C document published
22:41:52 <Ryladog> JS: I think that might be negotiable
22:42:17 <Ryladog> MC: I would like to get to something that is better then a Wiki, it is easier
22:42:52 <Ryladog> MC: It does not ahve to be a TR draft, it can be the Wiki but we have to have asssurances that it would not change out from other us
22:43:05 <Ryladog> MC: I am not going to advocate either way for the momentt
22:43:12 <Ryladog> JSL Annotated requirenents
22:43:45 <Ryladog> JS: We are not going to handke 3D in this 1.0 version, and then plan for 3D in 2.0
22:44:11 <Ryladog> MC: Identify wht is in this version and list of what we want in dot next
22:44:51 <Ryladog> JW: Janina those changes should be in the Wiki before they go into the drafy. That make s the latest for this sometime in the Spring
22:45:21 <Ryladog> new tipoc: staff contact; michael is going tp be replaced
22:46:20 <Ryladog> MC: W3C ha sadded a 4th host organisations, now the new host in China a university and we have iopeneed a staff contact in China and they would be the staff contact for UNdie UI
22:46:38 <Ryladog> MC: Not sure when that will be filled and there will be a transition
22:47:05 <Ryladog> JC: China may bee a problem for that staff contact for the current IndieUI call
22:47:30 <Ryladog> MC: A W3C employee would know tht they will have to deal with that
22:48:15 <Ryladog> JC:  I see action 34 is on LOcklands list - he had a problem with the user context using vendor specific keys
22:48:31 <Ryladog> JC: Maybe you and michael could follow up with him about that
22:48:37 <MichaelC> s/LOcklands/Lachlan´s/
22:48:51 <Ryladog> JS: Anythiong else?
22:49:09 <Ryladog> JS: We can adjorna little bit early
22:49:16 <MichaelC> s/new tipoc/topic/
22:49:41 <MichaelC> s/JS: New agenda item/topic/
22:49:52 <Ryladog> michael I need to go
22:50:01 <Ryladog> thank you!
22:50:08 <MichaelC> zakim, list attendees
22:50:08 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Michael_Cooper, Janina_Sajka, hober, Andy_Heath, Jason_White, +1.703.861.aaaa, Katie_Haritos_Shea, James_Craig
22:50:12 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
22:50:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/23-indie-ui-minutes.html MichaelC
22:50:36 <Zakim> -James_Craig
22:50:39 <Zakim> -hober
22:50:40 <Zakim> -Jason_White
22:51:04 <Zakim> -Andy_Heath
22:51:34 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
22:51:36 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
22:51:36 <Zakim> Team_(indie-ui)21:59Z has ended
22:51:36 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Cooper, Janina_Sajka, hober, Andy_Heath, Jason_White, +1.703.861.aaaa, Katie_Haritos_Shea, James_Craig
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23:06:54 <MichaelC> zakim, clear agenda
23:06:54 <Zakim> agenda cleared
23:07:01 <MichaelC> zakim, bye
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23:07:03 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
23:07:03 <RRSAgent> I see no action items