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15:02:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WEBID
15:02:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see INC_WEBID(WEBID)10:00AM already started
15:02:19 <trackbot> Meeting: WebID Community Group Teleconference
15:02:19 <trackbot> Date: 11 January 2013
15:02:52 <Zakim> +[OpenLink]
15:03:17 <bblfish> so I had the agenda here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Jan/0000.html
15:03:23 <MacTed> MacTed has changed the topic to: WebID XG -- https://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/ -- current agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Jan/0000.html
15:03:31 <MacTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me
15:03:32 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
15:03:35 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
15:03:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bob_Powers, bblfish, MacTed
15:03:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, bblfish, deiu, bobP, MacTed, oberger, magnetik, rszeno, trueg, elf-pavlik, trackbot, mischat, bergi, sandro
15:03:44 <bblfish> happy new year 2013
15:03:55 <deiu> Happy new year!
15:04:20 <MacTed> Zakim, code?
15:04:20 <Zakim> the conference code is 93243 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), MacTed
15:05:01 <bblfish> for europeans there is VOIP
15:05:24 <bblfish> if people don't wish to pay for the long distance communication
15:05:38 <deiu> can I use skype too?
15:05:59 <Zakim> +??P9
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15:06:11 <Zakim> -bblfish
15:06:11 <MacTed> deiu - how is VOIP failing?  Skype should work, if you can use it to call to the US dialup number
15:06:25 <bblfish> yes
15:06:32 <bblfish> damn connection broke
15:06:33 <deiu> I use a different VOIP client (not skype)
15:06:34 <MacTed> and we've lost your voice, bblfish
15:06:35 <bergi> Zakim, +??P9 is me
15:06:35 <Zakim> sorry, bergi, I do not recognize a party named '+??P9'
15:06:45 <bergi> Zakim, ??P9 is me
15:06:45 <Zakim> +bergi; got it
15:07:34 <Zakim> +bblfish
15:07:47 <Zakim> +scor
15:07:52 <deiu> please scribe until I fix my voice connection :-)
15:08:10 <bblfish> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:08:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Bob_Powers, MacTed, bergi, bblfish, scor
15:08:50 <Zakim> +??P27
15:10:27 <bblfish> Topic: User Stories
15:10:43 <bblfish> on the importance of user stories?
15:10:45 <scor> bblfish: having user stories is important for the group
15:10:58 <bblfish> Issue-41?
15:10:58 <trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Identify Use Cases for WebId -- open
15:10:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/41
15:10:59 <scor> ... especially if we are looking at moving into a WG afterwards
15:11:02 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
15:11:02 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
15:12:20 <scor> bblfish: Jeff Sayre was in charge of the user stories, but haven't seen him in a while
15:12:22 <bblfish> here is the agenda again http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Jan/0000.html
15:12:37 <bblfish> anyone know what happened to Jeff Sayre?
15:13:31 <scor> zakim, ACTION: scor to ping Jeff Sayre
15:13:31 <Zakim> I don't understand 'ACTION: scor to ping Jeff Sayre', scor
15:13:43 <scor> ACTION: scor to ping Jeff Sayre
15:13:43 <trackbot> Error finding 'scor'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/users>.
15:14:04 <bblfish> we have this wiki page http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/User_Stories_and_Use_Cases
15:14:31 <MacTed> MacTed has changed the topic to: WebID Community Group -- http://www.w3.org/community/webid/ -- current agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webid/2013Jan/0000.html
15:16:14 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
15:16:14 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
15:16:29 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Use_Cases_and_Requirements
15:17:18 <scor> we seem to have some overlap between the documents listed in the agenda
15:18:06 <scor> MacTed: user stories are more free form style, and they drive the second document which is more formal and list use cases.
15:18:12 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/charter
15:18:15 <scor> ... and both drive the requirements
15:18:47 <bblfish> "to compile a set of requirements and use cases for the WebID protocol"
15:20:25 <scor> bblfish: user stories -> use cases -> requirements
15:21:16 <deiu> I agree  that the final goal should be requirements.
15:21:45 <scor> MacTed: we should have simple stories, e.g. sharing pictures and being able to set rules on the share by logic instead of explicit statements
15:22:56 <bobP> There is Angelo's picture sharing site http://picserv.desone.org/picture
15:23:06 <scor> bblfish: we can move ACL to our group, we can start discussing that part.
15:23:15 <scor> MacTed: but WebID should not only be about ACL
15:23:25 <deiu> MacTed, indeed.
15:23:27 <scor> scor: there should be other stories besides ACL
15:24:10 <scor> MacTed: e.g. I want to share this picture with "family", and not list explicitly all the members of the family
15:24:14 <deiu> ACL is very important and should be present by design, but it shouldn't be an explicit part of WebID.
15:24:19 <scor> bblfish: but there is not ACL group
15:24:32 <bergi> +q
15:24:51 <scor> ack bergi
15:25:03 <bobP> echo echo
15:25:04 <Zakim> -??P27
15:25:26 <scor> bergi: can you type instead?
15:25:42 <bergi> maybe we can discuss acl on the rww group
15:25:49 <scor> Zakim, mute bergi
15:25:49 <Zakim> bergi should now be muted
15:25:51 <deiu> bergi, I agree
15:26:05 <bergi> if the topic gets bigger we can create new community group
15:26:11 <Zakim> -bblfish
15:26:12 <scor> yes
15:26:13 <bblfish> damn
15:26:32 <deiu> bergi, +1 (my thoughts exactly)
15:26:57 <deiu> I am actually more inclined to start a CG from square one.
15:27:29 <Zakim> +bblfish
15:28:08 <scor> MacTed: identity is necessary for ACL, but ACL isn't the only thing you can do with WebID
15:28:22 <scor> ... there will be one or two stories about ACL
15:28:27 <bblfish> linkability
15:28:37 <scor> ... what other stories do we have?
15:29:09 <scor> (distributed) single sign on
15:29:58 <scor> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/User_Stories_and_Use_Cases
15:30:40 <scor> let's polish the user stories offline and then we can move to the use cases and requirements
15:30:40 <deiu> A real (distributed <- isn't this always implied nowadays?) notification mechanism
15:30:58 <scor> notification mechanism++
15:32:18 <deiu> I'm not talking about pingback, which is greatly lacking (imo).
15:32:34 <bblfish> People should add their user stories and requirements to the document
15:32:49 <deiu> I will do so for notifications
15:33:08 <scor> deiu: could you add it to the wiki, please
15:33:12 <scor> deiu: thanks
15:33:13 <deiu> scor, yes
15:33:32 <scor> Topic: WebID hash questionnaire
15:34:27 <scor> bblfish: is this the right questionnaire?
15:34:56 <scor> ... there was no bad feedback from it
15:35:26 <deiu> I get "Questionnaire not yet open"
15:36:01 <scor> ... so let's open it now
15:36:29 <bobP> :-)
15:37:35 <bblfish> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/51933/webid-hash
15:37:51 <deiu> still not open :-)
15:38:25 <magnetik> Works here for me
15:39:04 <deiu> works now
15:39:11 <bblfish> who can see it?
15:39:15 <deiu> needed a ctrl+shift+reload
15:40:16 <trueg> bblfish: I only have read perms, not write. I should be in the WebID Community group, though.
15:40:38 <bblfish> well I am not sure how this works
15:40:42 <bblfish> it's the first time I use this tool
15:43:52 <MacTed> For each option (#1, #2, #3), please indicate whether you "don't want" or "don't mind".  Of those which remain, please select a ranking order is (1 is most preferred, 3 is least).
15:44:14 <bblfish> yes, that makes sense
15:44:28 <deiu> ah ok
15:44:28 <MacTed> For each option (#1, #2, #3), please indicate whether you "don't want" (may formally object) or "don't mind" (would not block).  Of those which remain, please select a ranking order is (1 is most preferred, 3 is least).
15:45:00 <bblfish> given that change is everyobdy ok for publishing the questionair?
15:45:18 <scor> yes
15:45:20 <MacTed> +1 to publish given that change, with Feb 1 close
15:45:20 <scor> +1
15:45:26 <deiu> +1
15:45:28 <bergi> +1
15:45:49 <bblfish> Resolved: make change and publish questionair
15:46:14 <bblfish> Topic: other issues?
15:51:41 <scor> MacTed: the provenance is an area where WebID would make a good differenece
15:51:50 <scor> s/differenece/difference
15:52:10 <scor> bblfish: it's when you think Linked Data and distributed that WebID starts to make sense
15:54:29 <bblfish> http://webid.info/spec/
15:57:57 <Zakim> -MacTed
15:58:05 <Zakim> -scor
15:58:06 <Zakim> -bergi
15:58:07 <Zakim> -Bob_Powers
15:58:13 <scor> thanks everyone for the great call
15:58:20 <Zakim> -bblfish
15:58:22 <Zakim> INC_WEBID(WEBID)10:00AM has ended
15:58:22 <Zakim> Attendees were Bob_Powers, bblfish, MacTed, bergi, scor
15:58:26 <deiu> scor, I've replied to your mail
15:58:32 <bblfish> I did not ask when we should have the next meeting
15:58:39 <bblfish> in 2 weeks?
15:58:41 <bobP> 1 week?
15:58:46 <deiu> 2 weeks sounds fine
15:58:52 <deiu> there are no pressing issues now, right?
15:58:55 <bobP> 2 weeks certainly OK
15:59:00 <bblfish> yes, I want to do more programming on LDP
15:59:23 <bobP> just put it on the list
15:59:26 <bblfish> ok so in 2 weeks then
15:59:29 <deiu> 2 weeks should put us right before the end of the questionnaire I think
15:59:33 <bobP> good!
15:59:42 <bblfish> ok. talk to you then...
15:59:45 <deiu> thanks all!
16:24:11 <bblfish> zakim, make logs public
16:24:11 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make logs public', bblfish
16:24:17 <bblfish> make logs public
16:27:56 <bblfish> rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:27:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/11-webid-minutes.html bblfish
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17:35:41 <MacTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
17:35:47 <MacTed> trackbot, end meeting
17:35:47 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:35:47 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
17:35:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:35:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/11-webid-minutes.html trackbot
17:35:56 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:35:56 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/11-webid-actions.rdf :
17:35:56 <RRSAgent> ACTION: scor to ping Jeff Sayre [1]
17:35:56 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/11-webid-irc#T15-13-43