IRC log of i18n on 2013-01-09
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-irc
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- trackbot, prepare teleconference
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 4186
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- ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
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- Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 09 January 2013
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- rrsagent, set logs world
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013Jan/0014.html
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- Chair: Addison Phillips
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- Scribe: Addison Phillips
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- ScribeNick: aphillip
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- agenda+ KLReq
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- I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has now started
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- +Addison_Phillips
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- zakim, dial richard
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- ok, r12a; the call is being made
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- +Richard
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- +[IPcaller]
- 16:02:15 [koji]
- zakim, [ipcaller] is me
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- +koji; got it
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- I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'who is here'
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- +??P21
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- zakim, ??p21 is me
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- +matial; got it
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- + +1.415.885.aaaa
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- zakim, +1.415 is me
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- +Norbert; got it
- 16:04:09 [r12a]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2013JanMar/0018.html
- 16:04:22 [aphillip]
- Topic: Agenda and Minutes
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- Topic: Action Items
- 16:07:06 [aphillip]
- close ACTION-164
- 16:07:06 [trackbot]
- Closed ACTION-164 Create blog entry showing our case for css caselessness.
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- close ACTION-168
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- Closed ACTION-168 Remind everyone to read ITS 2.0 for the 9th.
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- Topic: Info Share
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- addison: KLReq document received
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- ... temporary link to follow
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- http://rishida.net/temp/HangulTextLayout_20130102.pdf
- 16:10:43 [aphillip]
- Topic: Pending reviews received over break
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-css-text-decor-3-20130103/
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- CSS3: Text-decoration
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see aphillip, Richard, koji, matial (muted), Norbert, fsasaki
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- On IRC I see Norbert, matial, aphillip, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, koji, fsasaki, r12a
- 16:12:02 [aphillip]
- due by the 31st
- 16:12:26 [aphillip]
- ACTION: addison: remind everyone to comment on css3-text-decoration by next week
- 16:12:27 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-169 - Remind everyone to comment on css3-text-decoration by next week [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-01-16].
- 16:12:59 [aphillip]
- Topic: KLReq
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- http://rishida.net/temp/HangulTextLayout_20130102.pdf
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- addison: above is temporary link
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- richard: scanned it
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- ... looks pretty good
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- ... not as detailed as the Japanese one
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- ... good for a first version
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- ... send for review and then get feedback incorporated
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- ... think it might need some details
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- ... such as wrapping rules (when, what context)... just example
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- ... needs English editing
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- addison: also need to publish Korean version
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- richard: need formal sign-off on pub through w3c
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- ... talk to domain lead
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- ... should join IG as IE
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- ... create IG-task-force
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- ... and use public-cjk list as their feedback list
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 16:19:59 [David]
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- richard: suggest we convert to polyglot
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- ACTION: addison: coordinate with richard regarding KLReq
- 16:21:31 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-170 - Coordinate with richard regarding KLReq [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-01-16].
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- Topic: ITS v2 review
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- http://tinyurl.com/its20-comments-handling
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- chair: IMPORTANT to read by next week
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- ... for call of the 16th
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- felix: send comments before next week
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- addison: will create item in tracker
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- ... please follow WG process for creating comments
- 16:24:38 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/review-instructions
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- Topic: Case Sensitivity in CSS
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- http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/CaseForCaselessCSS
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- http://www.inter-locale.com/test/css-case-sensitive-demo1.html
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013Jan/0003.html
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- http://www.w3.org/blog/CSS/2007/12/12/case_sensitivity/
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 16:31:06 [aphillip]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2013JanMar/0018.html
- 16:31:15 [aphillip]
- http://www.w3.org/International/tests/html-css/generate?test=case-conversion-001
- 16:31:19 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/International/tests/html-css/generate?test=case-conversion-001
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Dec/0089.html
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- -fsasaki
- 16:56:23 [aphillip]
- case sensitivity: we're okay with that
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- ACI for ASCII-restricted namespaces: okay
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- for user identiifers that are case *IN*sensitive: only Unicode CF is acceptable
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- for user identifiers that are case *SENSITIVE*, we're okay
- 16:57:34 [aphillip]
- ACI is a special case of UniCF
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- we're not okay with any "case insensitive" comparison that can contain non-ASCII characters
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- ... that is using ACI
- 17:00:01 [r12a]
- s/any "case insensitive" comparison/any ACI comparison/
- 17:00:23 [aphillip]
- if "g" == "G" then "ü" == "Ü"
- 17:01:56 [aphillip]
- we would recommend that CSS use case sensitive comparison (universally)
- 17:02:16 [aphillip]
- if there is a feature that is case insensitive, then it should be UniCF
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- restate: we would recommend that CSS adopt case sensitive comparison going forward for all identifiers and language elements, except where legacy considerations apply
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- ACI "doesn't really exist" (it's a shadow case of UniCF on an ASCII namespace)
- 17:14:08 [aphillip]
- A custom data attribute is an attribute in no namespace whose name starts with the string "data-", has at least one character after the hyphen, is XML-compatible, and contains no uppercase ASCII letters. All attribute names on HTML elements in HTML documents get ASCII-lowercased automatically, so the restriction on ASCII uppercase letters doesn't affect such documents.
- 17:16:09 [aphillip]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 17:20:30 [aphillip]
- possible exception of list-style-type
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- resolved:
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- - case sensitive
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- - except legacy ascii-only items
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- - if a new feature case insensitive, then unicf
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- ACTION; addison: communicate case sensitivity to CSS
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- i18n recommends case sensitive
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- spec writing guidelines
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- Topic: AOB?
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- -aphillip
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- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see Richard, koji, matial (muted), Norbert
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- On IRC I see Norbert, matial, aphillip, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, koji, r12a
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- -koji
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- -Norbert
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- -matial
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- zakim, drop richard
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- Richard is being disconnected
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- I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were aphillip, Richard, koji, matial, +1.415.885.aaaa, Norbert, [IPcaller], fsasaki
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- Present: Addison, Richard, Mati, Koji, Felix
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- zakim, bye
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: addison: remind everyone to comment on css3-text-decoration by next week [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-irc#T16-12-26
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- ACTION: addison: coordinate with richard regarding KLReq [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-irc#T16-21-30