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15:46:17 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
15:46:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:46:21 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
15:46:21 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
15:46:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
15:46:22 <trackbot> Date: 09 January 2013
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15:49:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:49:25 <aphillip> rrsagent, set logs world
15:49:40 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013Jan/0014.html
15:49:49 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
15:49:49 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
15:49:51 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
15:49:59 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:49:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:50:44 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:50:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:51:03 <aphillip> agenda+ KLReq
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16:00:30 <Zakim> +Addison_Phillips
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16:01:16 <r12a> zakim, dial richard
16:01:16 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
16:01:17 <Zakim> +Richard
16:02:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:02:15 <koji> zakim, [ipcaller] is me
16:02:15 <Zakim> +koji; got it
16:02:23 <RRSAgent> I'm logging.  Sorry, nothing found for 'who is here'
16:02:29 <Zakim> +??P21
16:02:42 <matial> zakim, ??p21 is me
16:02:42 <Zakim> +matial; got it
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16:03:25 <Zakim> + +1.415.885.aaaa
16:03:44 <Norbert> zakim, +1.415 is me
16:03:44 <Zakim> +Norbert; got it
16:04:09 <r12a> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2013JanMar/0018.html
16:04:22 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda and Minutes
16:04:47 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
16:07:06 <aphillip> close ACTION-164
16:07:06 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-164 Create blog entry showing our case for css caselessness.
16:08:19 <aphillip> close ACTION-168
16:08:19 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-168 Remind everyone to read ITS 2.0 for the 9th.
16:08:26 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
16:08:59 <aphillip> addison: KLReq document received
16:09:16 <aphillip> ... temporary link to follow
16:09:19 <r12a> http://rishida.net/temp/HangulTextLayout_20130102.pdf
16:10:43 <aphillip> Topic: Pending reviews received over break
16:10:56 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-css-text-decor-3-20130103/
16:11:10 <aphillip> CSS3: Text-decoration
16:11:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:11:58 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:11:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see aphillip, Richard, koji, matial (muted), Norbert, fsasaki
16:12:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see Norbert, matial, aphillip, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, koji, fsasaki, r12a
16:12:02 <aphillip> due by the 31st
16:12:26 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: remind everyone to comment on css3-text-decoration by next week
16:12:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-169 - Remind everyone to comment on css3-text-decoration by next week [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-01-16].
16:12:59 <aphillip> Topic: KLReq
16:13:09 <aphillip> http://rishida.net/temp/HangulTextLayout_20130102.pdf
16:13:18 <aphillip> addison: above is temporary link
16:13:48 <aphillip> richard: scanned it
16:13:55 <aphillip> ... looks pretty good
16:14:04 <aphillip> ... not as detailed as the Japanese one
16:14:08 <aphillip> ... good for a first version
16:14:23 <aphillip> ... send for review and then get feedback incorporated
16:14:29 <aphillip> ... think it might need some details
16:14:46 <aphillip> ... such as wrapping rules (when, what context)... just example
16:14:50 <aphillip> ... needs English editing
16:15:01 <aphillip> addison: also need to publish Korean version
16:15:18 <aphillip> richard: need formal sign-off on pub through w3c
16:15:24 <aphillip> ... talk to domain lead
16:15:32 <aphillip> ... should join IG as IE
16:16:02 <aphillip> ... create IG-task-force
16:16:15 <aphillip> ... and use public-cjk list as their feedback list
16:17:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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16:20:43 <aphillip> richard: suggest we convert to polyglot
16:21:30 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: coordinate with richard regarding KLReq
16:21:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-170 - Coordinate with richard regarding KLReq [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-01-16].
16:21:38 <aphillip> Topic: ITS v2 review
16:21:46 <aphillip> http://tinyurl.com/its20-comments-handling
16:23:07 <aphillip> chair: IMPORTANT to read by next week
16:23:19 <aphillip> ... for call of the 16th
16:23:29 <aphillip> felix: send comments before next week
16:24:19 <aphillip> addison: will create item in tracker
16:24:30 <aphillip> ... please follow WG process for creating comments
16:24:38 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/review-instructions
16:24:49 <aphillip> Topic: Case Sensitivity in CSS
16:25:10 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/CaseForCaselessCSS
16:25:18 <aphillip> http://www.inter-locale.com/test/css-case-sensitive-demo1.html
16:26:10 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2013Jan/0003.html
16:26:28 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/blog/CSS/2007/12/12/case_sensitivity/
16:26:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:31:06 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2013JanMar/0018.html
16:31:15 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/html-css/generate?test=case-conversion-001
16:31:19 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/html-css/generate?test=case-conversion-001
16:31:30 <r12a> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Dec/0089.html
16:39:47 <Zakim> -fsasaki
16:56:23 <aphillip> case sensitivity: we're okay with that
16:56:36 <aphillip> ACI for ASCII-restricted namespaces: okay
16:56:56 <aphillip> for user identiifers that are case *IN*sensitive: only Unicode CF is acceptable
16:57:12 <aphillip> for user identifiers that are case *SENSITIVE*, we're okay
16:57:34 <aphillip> ACI is a special case of UniCF
16:58:14 <aphillip> we're not okay with any "case insensitive" comparison that can contain non-ASCII characters
16:58:42 <aphillip> ... that is using ACI
17:00:01 <r12a> s/any "case insensitive" comparison/any ACI comparison/
17:00:23 <aphillip> if "g" == "G" then "ü" == "Ü"
17:01:56 <aphillip> we would recommend that CSS use case sensitive comparison (universally)
17:02:16 <aphillip> if there is a feature that is case insensitive, then it should be UniCF
17:05:29 <aphillip> restate: we would recommend that CSS adopt case sensitive comparison going forward for all identifiers and language elements, except where legacy considerations apply
17:11:30 <aphillip> ACI "doesn't really exist" (it's a shadow case of UniCF on an ASCII namespace)
17:14:08 <aphillip> A custom data attribute is an attribute in no namespace whose name starts with the string "data-", has at least one character after the hyphen, is XML-compatible, and contains no uppercase ASCII letters.  All attribute names on HTML elements in HTML documents get ASCII-lowercased automatically, so the restriction on ASCII uppercase letters doesn't affect such documents.
17:16:09 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:16:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
17:20:30 <aphillip> possible exception of list-style-type
17:23:28 <aphillip> resolved:
17:23:55 <aphillip> - case sensitive
17:24:12 <aphillip> - except legacy ascii-only items
17:24:22 <aphillip> - if a new feature case insensitive, then unicf
17:24:42 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
17:24:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
17:24:48 <aphillip> ACTION; addison: communicate case sensitivity to CSS
17:24:58 <aphillip> i18n recommends case sensitive
17:25:25 <aphillip> spec writing guidelines
17:25:35 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
17:26:28 <Zakim> -aphillip
17:26:29 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
17:26:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, koji, matial (muted), Norbert
17:26:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see Norbert, matial, aphillip, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, koji, r12a
17:26:31 <Zakim> -koji
17:26:31 <Zakim> -Norbert
17:26:33 <Zakim> -matial
17:26:41 <r12a> zakim, drop richard
17:26:41 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
17:26:43 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()11:00AM has ended
17:26:43 <Zakim> Attendees were aphillip, Richard, koji, matial, +1.415.885.aaaa, Norbert, [IPcaller], fsasaki
17:26:50 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, Mati, Koji, Felix
17:26:57 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:26:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
17:27:58 <aphillip> zakim, bye
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17:28:06 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
17:28:06 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-actions.rdf :
17:28:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: remind everyone to comment on css3-text-decoration by next week [1]
17:28:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-irc#T16-12-26
17:28:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: coordinate with richard regarding KLReq [2]
17:28:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/01/09-i18n-irc#T16-21-30