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13:57:45 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #ldp 13:57:45 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/27-ldp-irc 13:57:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public 13:57:47 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #ldp 13:57:49 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP 13:57:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference 13:57:50 <trackbot> Date: 27 August 2012 13:57:51 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes 13:58:15 <oberger> don't get upset, no one's available ;) 13:58:19 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started 13:58:26 <Zakim> +sandro 13:58:38 <sandro> hmmm? 13:58:51 <Yves> no call this week, no? 13:59:01 <Zakim> +??P7 13:59:10 <Zakim> +??P6 13:59:39 <sandro> Yes call this week. There was an agenda, plus it was in the minutes of last week and it's in the channel title.....! 14:00:04 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: next LDP meeting 27-August-2012 AGENDA: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2012.08.27 14:00:06 <Yves> ok, thanks (I don't see the channel title, and am lagging on email) 14:00:13 <oberger> Zakim, ??P6 is me 14:00:13 <Zakim> +oberger; got it 14:00:23 <Zakim> +[IBM] 14:00:31 <SteveS> SteveS has joined #ldp 14:00:47 <MacTed> Zakim, code? 14:00:47 <Zakim> the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:firstname.lastname@example.org), MacTed 14:00:53 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software 14:00:56 <Ruben> Hi all, I won't be able to participate on the phone (traveling), but I will be on IRC. 14:01:04 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software has me 14:01:04 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it 14:01:06 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me 14:01:06 <Zakim> sorry, MacTed, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 14:01:12 <Zakim> -??P7 14:01:12 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me 14:01:12 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it 14:01:16 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me 14:01:16 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted 14:01:19 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me 14:01:19 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it 14:01:46 <oberger> Zakim, mute me 14:01:46 <Zakim> oberger should now be muted 14:02:30 <bblfish> bblfish has joined #ldp 14:02:40 <bblfish> hi 14:02:46 <Zakim> +Arthur_Keen 14:02:50 <Zakim> +??P21 14:02:55 <oberger> ouch 14:03:02 <oberger> hello Dr larsen 14:03:07 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy? 14:03:08 <AndyS> zakim, ??P21 is me 14:03:08 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it 14:03:18 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds 14:03:33 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy? 14:03:43 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds 14:03:46 <oberger> SteveS: or from a plane 14:04:03 <Zakim> + +1.510.698.aaaa 14:04:04 <Zakim> + +1.617.324.aabb 14:04:15 <AndyS> zakim, mute me 14:04:15 <Zakim> AndyS should now be muted 14:04:23 <AndyS> zakim, unmute me 14:04:23 <Zakim> AndyS should no longer be muted 14:04:29 <oberger> ah 14:04:52 <bblfish> Zakim, who is here? 14:04:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see sandro, oberger (muted), SteveS, MacTed (muted), Arthur_Keen, AndyS, +1.510.698.aaaa, Yves 14:04:54 <Zakim> MacTed has MacTed 14:04:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see bblfish, SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, AndyS, Ruben, MacTed, betehess, LeeF, oberger, trackbot, sandro, Yves, ericP 14:05:22 <bblfish> Zakim, aaaa is bblfish 14:05:22 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it 14:05:26 <bblfish> Zakim, who is here? 14:05:27 <Arnaud> Arnaud has joined #ldp 14:05:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see sandro, oberger (muted), SteveS, MacTed (muted), Arthur_Keen, AndyS, bblfish, Yves 14:05:33 <SteveBattle> SteveBattle has joined #ldp 14:05:35 <Zakim> MacTed has MacTed 14:05:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see Arnaud, bblfish, SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, AndyS, Ruben, MacTed, betehess, LeeF, oberger, trackbot, sandro, Yves, ericP 14:05:43 <Zakim> +Arnaud 14:05:51 <oberger> Hi Arnaud 14:06:16 <ericP> regrets: on stage 14:07:15 <bblfish> was there a conf call last week? 14:07:33 <oberger> summer time is hard time to stay focused 14:07:59 <sandro> Yes, bblfish 14:08:10 <bblfish> ah, I thought it was every two weeks in summer 14:08:55 <oberger> texting via REST APIs while driving ? booh 14:09:32 <Zakim> + +44.754.550.aacc 14:10:49 <oberger> Zakim, unmute me 14:10:49 <Zakim> oberger should no longer be muted 14:11:36 <sandro> scribe: SteveS 14:11:50 <SteveS> scribenick: SteveS 14:12:18 <Zakim> +??P32 14:12:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> BartvanLeeuwen has joined #ldp 14:12:33 <SteveS> Topic: Minutes from 22 August 2012 14:12:45 <oberger> nope 14:12:49 <SteveBattle> zakim, ??P32 is me 14:12:49 <Zakim> +SteveBattle; got it 14:13:11 <ghard> ghard has joined #ldp 14:13:14 <SteveS> Arnaud asks if anyone has read minutes…no response 14:13:14 <bblfish> I still have to do my action item 14:13:25 <sandro> action-4? 14:13:25 <trackbot> ACTION-4 -- Steve Speicher to review SPARQL Graph Store Protocol and suggest how we should move forward with it -- due 2012-09-03 -- OPEN 14:13:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/4 14:13:50 <SteveS> Topic: SteveS slacking on ACTION-4 14:14:04 <SteveS> SteveS to get to in next week or so 14:14:25 <SteveS> Topic: Action reviews 14:15:00 <oberger> reminder : no meeting next week (Labour day in the US) 14:15:01 <SteveS> bblfish will get to action-5 14:15:41 <SteveS> No update on ACTION-6, Michael had sent regrets for today 14:16:33 <SteveS> Topic: Upcoming meetings 14:16:35 <SteveS> Arnaud: Next telecon is in 2 weeks, September 10 14:16:37 <ghard> ghard has joined #ldp 14:17:21 <SteveS> sandro: looked into f2f room sizings for larger group, need WG members to actually register 14:18:06 <Kalpa> Kalpa has joined #ldp 14:18:14 <SteveS> …can get a bigger room if registration counts are high enough 14:18:35 <Zakim> +??P33 14:18:44 <SteveS> sandro: recommends attending Wed sessions, many find it very valuable 14:18:51 <BartvanLeeuwen> :) 14:18:59 <ghard> zakim, P33 is ghard 14:18:59 <Zakim> sorry, ghard, I do not recognize a party named 'P33' 14:19:16 <sandro> Zakim, ??P33 is ghard 14:19:16 <Zakim> +ghard; got it 14:19:23 <ghard> Excuses for being late. Got network stability problems. 14:19:25 <SteveS> …costs about $50 USD / day for F2F 14:19:53 <Zakim> +Kalpa 14:20:01 <SteveS> ??? asked bblfish if room or something planned for f2f with WebID 14:20:15 <oberger> SteveS: ??? was me 14:20:34 <SteveS> s/???/oberger/ 14:20:37 <sandro> €45 until the close of registration (16 October 2012) 14:21:01 <SteveS> Topic: Use Cases and Requirements structure 14:21:15 <oberger> Zakim, mute me 14:21:15 <Zakim> oberger should now be muted 14:21:16 <bblfish> So I am looking to organise a meeting for WebID and RWW Community Groups at TPAC Lyon, but we are still looking to see if we can get a room. 14:21:16 <SteveS> This is topic ACTION-9 14:21:36 <bblfish> But otherwise I will look to see if we can organise something anyway in Lyon. 14:22:11 <SteveS> Here's the proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012Aug/0137.html 14:22:39 <SteveS> Arnaud: positive comments from a number looking to hear if any other feedback 14:23:10 <SteveS> SteveBattle: has updated the wiki to take into account this change 14:23:25 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements 14:23:49 <SteveS> namely changing Use Cases to User Stories, in prep for collecting use cases 14:24:38 <oberger> SteveS: /me added the link to the action in https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/9 14:24:57 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+ 14:25:17 <SteveS> …plan is to expand on the User Stories, then pull out the more detailed Use Cases and the more detailed Requirements 14:25:22 <Arnaud> ack bart 14:25:45 <SteveS> BartvanLeeuwen: Are the use cases/stories still open for contributions? 14:26:00 <SteveS> SteveBattle: Yes 14:26:05 <bblfish> good so I suppose my action item should be a user story 14:26:09 <bblfish> or integrated with one 14:26:55 <SteveS> SteveBattle: Assumes these will be very "CRUDy" based on the scope of this WG 14:28:09 <SteveS> ACTION: SteveBattle to Create at least one Use Case by next meeting due 9/10/2012 14:28:09 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - SteveBattle 14:29:09 <SteveS> Arnaud: proposed to close action-9 14:29:19 <SteveS> close action-9 14:29:19 <trackbot> ACTION-9 Propose a new structure for the Use Cases and Requirements document closed 14:29:47 <Arnaud> q? 14:30:20 <SteveS> SteveBattle: SteveS and Michael (not on call) are interested in developing out the use cases more? 14:30:23 <SteveS> SteveS: Yes 14:31:32 <SteveS> Topic: Serialization format discussion and process 14:32:25 <SteveS> Arnaud: how does the process work for raising issues, like serialization format, and get reviewed and agreed on 14:33:15 <SteveS> sandro: someone raises (creates) an issue in the system, it goes into a pending state, then the WG decides if they accept the issue (something they will work on or valid) and it becomes open 14:33:26 <SteveS> …the WG then works on a resolution 14:35:09 <Zakim> -Arthur_Keen 14:35:14 <SteveS> Arnaud: believes that by definition of our charter and references to member submission, then we can start with that and open issues from there and get WG agreement 14:35:31 <Zakim> +RezaBfar 14:35:42 <ArthurK> ArthurK has joined #ldp 14:36:31 <RezaBFar> RezaBFar has joined #ldp 14:36:31 <Zakim> +ArthurK 14:36:49 <Arnaud> q? 14:36:57 <bblfish> q+ 14:37:00 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me 14:37:00 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted 14:37:03 <SteveBattle> q+ 14:37:07 <RezaBFar> @Arnaud - sorry I'm late... 14:37:16 <SteveS> Arnaud: need to make sure the work we do with perhaps a more abstract model then we need to make sure we map it back to RDF model 14:37:23 <MacTed> q+ 14:37:46 <oberger> bblfish: ? 14:38:00 <bblfish> http://webid.info/spec/ 14:38:48 <RezaBFar> q+ 14:39:13 <SteveS> bblfish: Expressed my thoughts on this and around the WebID spec. Did require a publish to N3 and clients understand both N3 and RDF/XML 14:39:31 <bblfish> GRDDL 14:39:36 <bblfish> XSPARQL 14:39:51 <SteveS> …would like to add that there is a requirement to support GRDDL for expressing what is supported 14:40:19 <Arnaud> ack bblfish 14:40:42 <SteveS> …it is not reasonable to convert some forms not into RDF 14:41:06 <SteveS> q+ 14:41:23 <Arnaud> ack SteveBattle 14:41:58 <bblfish> I think turtle is also a standard now http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/ 14:41:58 <RezaBFar> +1 to SteveBattle. That's exactly what I'm looking for. 14:42:04 <SteveS> SteveBattle: +1 for openness of serialization of RDF models, would like to support at least one. RDF/XML is reasonable as only W3C Rec spec, perhaps we have at least 1 minimum required 14:42:27 <SteveS> …server could expose what it supports 14:42:41 <AndyS> N3 goes beyond RDF - to be clear here, lets stick to the (soon to be) standard turtle. 14:43:05 <AndyS> N-triples will also be standardised by RDF-WG. 14:43:25 <Ruben> There's no advantage in this scenario to N3 instead of Turtle. 14:43:31 <SteveS> MacTed: says that Arnaud mentioned limit options, but believes we need to be more open to extensibility 14:43:34 <SteveBattle> That's interesting - I didn't know N3 went beyond RDF. 14:43:43 <Ruben> N3 adds quantification and variables. 14:44:01 <RezaBFar> So, I think there is 3 things: 1. Some standard query as part of the spec that provides format (so serialization format discovery) 2. Allowance for implementation of serialization of other formats. 3. Implementing at least 2 formats, 1 of which is RDF/XML, the other which we could agree on as a team. 14:44:38 <SteveS> MacTed: resource creation (POST) is that a server can chose to reject or handle that request as needed (transform or handle as is) 14:44:40 <MacTed> ack me 14:44:45 <oberger> MacTed: I didn't get your concern abouut RDF+XML... 14:44:53 <oberger> would like to see a transcript 14:45:02 <SteveBattle> What can't be encoded in RDF/XML? 14:45:13 <oberger> SteveBattle: that one yes 14:45:31 <AndyS> Properties with URIs that aren't representable as qnames e.g. http://example/1234 14:46:16 <SteveS> Arnaud: not against building an extensible spec but more on the point when there are too many options to achieve same/similar things 14:46:26 <Arnaud> q? 14:46:28 <AndyS> and http://example/property# and a few other cases. Tend to be unusual but can be tricky at scale if it gets into the data. 14:46:43 <Arnaud> ack Reza 14:47:16 <oberger> RezaBFar: what problem ? 14:47:24 <SteveS> RezaBFar: Agrees with SteveBattle, doesn't see the need to limit to RDF/XML and have additional format 14:47:34 <oberger> verbosity ? 14:47:56 <SteveS> ….XML processing has some overhead and should consider less-verbose options for efficiency 14:48:12 <Arnaud> q? 14:48:22 <oberger> JSON-LD would be very much appealing to all the Web2 devs 14:48:32 <oberger> YAML ? ;) 14:48:48 <sandro> oberger, more appealing than RDF/XML or than Turtle? 14:49:05 <oberger> sandro: people who do native JS ? probably 14:49:19 <sandro> s/sandro:/sandro,/ 14:49:26 <MacTed> concern with RDF/XML: cannot serialize all RDF ... as AndyS says. see http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/diagrams/n3/venn 14:49:50 <Arnaud> q? 14:49:57 <sandro> oberger, I was asking an (a) or (b) question, but I guess your answer is "both". 14:50:19 <oberger> sandro: sure, both : no extra parsing 14:50:22 <bblfish> So to summarise my point earlier: 14:50:22 <bblfish> 1. Turtle ( http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/ ) or RDFxml perhaps a SHOULD ( on the http://webid.info/spec/ Turtle, RDFa, RDFxml were made MUST understand by client -- Turtle, RDFxml should be sent by server ) 14:50:22 <bblfish> 2. Other formats should be supported but there should be a follow your nose to a GRDDL http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/ so that one can automatically transforrm it to RDF graphs 14:50:24 <bblfish> 3. there is a complicating issue as this LDP requires PUT & POST which means that the server does need to be able to understand the formats sent. 14:50:25 <Arnaud> ack SteveS 14:50:26 <bblfish> 4. there will be some form of Graph query which will require that the format be queryable as a graph 14:50:32 <SteveS> ISSUE: Determine minimum serialization format for RDF data model 14:50:32 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-1 - Determine minimum serialization format for RDF data model ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/1/edit . 14:50:34 <RezaBFar> Question: so now that it's an issue, what's next? 14:50:39 <sandro> s/sandro:/sandro,/ 14:50:53 <RezaBFar> @Arnaud - how do we resolve the issue since it's a significant issue. 14:50:57 <AndyS> (caution - that diagram is confusion - Turtle can express any RDF - the reification point is not the point - it's old special syntax) 14:51:42 <oberger> we can move on when everybody's back from vacation more or less ? 14:51:45 <RezaBFar> @Arnaud - Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. 14:52:05 <SteveS> Arnaud: answering RezaBFar, need to have a proposal and reach consensus on the issue and record it 14:53:02 <SteveS> sandro: can be good collect more facts on the matter and may need to get to point where just need to pick one 14:53:09 <RezaBFar> @sandro - thanks. 14:53:30 <Arnaud> q? 14:53:30 <RezaBFar> Sandro's opinion? 14:53:47 <oberger> next in 2 weeks ? 14:53:47 <RezaBFar> on RDF/XML, etc.? Sandro was saying something? 14:54:02 <SteveS> Arnaud: any other agenda items? 14:54:38 <oberger> sandro, my suggestion on JSON-LD is purely speculative 14:54:41 <SteveS> sandro: is a big win in mental clarity on a simple format but think still open in my mind if JSON-LD meets that 14:55:45 <SteveS> sandro: if I had to pick something right now, it would be Turtle but may be things I'm forgetting about RDF/XML 14:56:17 <MacTed> q+ 14:57:03 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 to bblfish remarks to JSON-LD remark 14:57:09 <SteveS> bblfish: Wonder if there is anything around efficiency with XML binary formats that apply with RDF/XML 14:57:35 <RezaBFar> FWIW, I agree with Sandro on Turtle. 14:58:25 <MacTed> ... s/JSON-GRDDL/JSON-LD/ 14:58:33 <SteveS> bblfish: question to JSON people, when you publish in json-grddl can be represented as any tree as root of graph and could it confuse them? 14:59:03 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me 14:59:03 <Zakim> MacTed was not muted, MacTed 14:59:45 <sandro> q? 14:59:52 <sandro> q+ to propose strawpoll 14:59:58 <SteveS> MacTed: was in JSON-LD group, started as a way to get JSON people who are using structured data in a more interoperable ways based on RDF concepts 15:00:23 <AndyS> q+ 15:00:46 <SteveS> MacTed: for some similar implementations Turtle makes it very easy but lacks some of the RDF concepts, as linked to before 15:00:46 <oberger> Turtle is great to read by humans, discovering specs, but in all languages ? 15:01:01 <Arnaud> ack Ted 15:01:08 <MacTed> ack me 15:01:08 <bblfish> +1 for Turtle as base, easier to understand 15:01:20 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: Which one RDF serialization should we pick as our 1-required-serialization, if we had to pick one today? (eg rdf/xml, turtle, json-ld, RDFa, or NONE) 15:01:24 <AndyS> Turtle can express any RDF. 15:01:26 <sandro> turtle 15:01:27 <RezaBFar> Turtle 15:01:28 <bblfish> +1 Turtle 15:01:29 <BartvanLeeuwen> Turtle 15:01:29 <oberger> RDF+XML 15:01:32 <MacTed> Turtle 15:01:33 <AndyS> Turtle 15:01:37 <ArthurK> turtle 15:01:39 <oberger> for implementation 15:01:41 <SteveS> sandro: straw man poll of preferred RDF serialization 15:01:43 <SteveBattle> (turtle and rdf/XML) 15:01:43 <SteveS> Turtle 15:01:52 <Kalpa> rdf/XML 15:01:58 <RezaBFar> So, I meant (Turtle and RDF/XML) 15:02:00 <MacTed> AndyS - any chance you can rework that Venn with current status? possibly including JSON-LD? 15:02:14 <MacTed> there may be other serializations that didn't exist when it was drawn that should also be added in... 15:02:29 <bblfish> well rdf/xml would be a SHOULD 15:02:35 <oberger> which libs are turtle compatible ? 15:02:50 <Arnaud> ack sandro 15:02:50 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to propose strawpoll 15:03:04 <Arnaud> andy? 15:03:32 <Arnaud> ack andy 15:03:34 <SteveS> AndyS: found the diagram was someones opinion for a long time ago and not right 15:03:41 <SteveS> sandro: agrees 15:03:48 <SteveS> MacTed: would like to see it updated 15:03:52 <oberger> bye 15:03:52 <Zakim> -bblfish 15:03:54 <SteveBattle> bye 15:03:56 <BartvanLeeuwen> thanks and bye 15:03:56 <Zakim> -RezaBfar 15:03:56 <bblfish> bye 15:03:57 <ghard> bye 15:03:58 <Zakim> -Arnaud 15:03:59 <Kalpa> bye 15:04:01 <Zakim> -Yves 15:04:02 <Zakim> -MacTed 15:04:02 <Zakim> -SteveBattle 15:04:02 <Zakim> -AndyS 15:04:04 <Zakim> -SteveS 15:04:06 <Zakim> -sandro 15:04:07 <Zakim> -ghard 15:04:07 <Zakim> -oberger 15:04:10 <Zakim> - +44.754.550.aacc 15:04:14 <Zakim> -ArthurK 15:04:16 <Zakim> -Kalpa 15:04:17 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended 15:04:17 <Zakim> Attendees were sandro, oberger, MacTed, SteveS, Arthur_Keen, AndyS, +1.510.698.aaaa, +1.617.324.aabb, Yves, bblfish, Arnaud, +44.754.550.aacc, SteveBattle, ghard, Kalpa, RezaBfar, 15:04:18 <Zakim> ... ArthurK 15:04:27 <Ruben> Ruben has left #ldp 15:04:41 <SteveBattle> SteveBattle has left #ldp 15:04:49 <sandro> MacTed, note that http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/diagrams/n3/venn is about expressibility, not RDF. Full N3 and SPARQL WHERE include lots of things that are not, and never will be, RDF. 15:04:50 <SteveS> rssagent, generate minutes 15:04:56 <BartvanLeeuwen> BartvanLeeuwen has left #ldp 15:06:11 <SteveS> RRSAgent, generate minutes 15:06:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/27-ldp-minutes.html SteveS 15:08:03 <oberger> sandro: well, maybe a localization thing ? 15:08:15 <sandro> SteveS, are you happy with http://www.w3.org/2008/06/wiki_scribe/?source=http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Chatlog_2012-08-27 ? 15:08:40 <oberger> oberger has joined #ldp 15:08:52 <sandro> oberger, more likely a setting I changed and forgot. 15:09:05 <oberger> sandro: same with LANG=C xchat 15:09:20 <sandro> the problem is I want comma when I'm not scribing and colon when I am scribing. 15:09:59 <SteveS> sandro, that would going to be my question if you were trying to change my scribe entries 15:10:19 <oberger> sandro, indeed, a preferences setting :-) 15:10:33 <oberger> well, I'll know what to do when in the next meeting 15:10:34 <SteveS> sandro, I'm fairly "happy"….guess I need to hack the few errors noted in there 15:11:23 <sandro> :-) 15:11:50 <MacTed> sandro - yes, I understand that the VENN is about what can be expressed in each serialization. as has been noted, it was drawn a long time ago, and no longer (if it ever did) accurately depicts the differences between the serializations. I think redrawing it with explicit focus on "how much of `All RDF` can be expressed in/with this serialization?" including new serializations (e.g., JSDON-LD) and updates of old (e.g., Turtle) 15:11:50 <MacTed> would be useful. 15:12:53 <sandro> MacTed, my understanding is there's no need, as Turtle, RDFa, JSON-LD and N-Triples can all express all of RDF. RDF/XML lacks a few bits that no one should ever put in their RDF anyway. 15:13:09 <oberger> s/RDF/RDF+XML/ 15:14:08 <oberger> anyway... what's the ETA for implementations ? ;) 15:15:52 <MacTed> 1999 ;-) 15:20:15 <AndyS> The current RDF-WG has no plans to change RDF/XML. 15:20:35 <AndyS> (roughly - no one wants to touch it!) 15:20:59 <MacTed> I suppose the need I see for updating the VENN is that leaving it as is promotes continued incorrect understanding. 15:22:00 <MacTed> granted, it's no longer live-displayed in the N3 design issue ... but it's relatively well known and still live if you know to look for it 15:23:17 <oberger> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=RDF+Turtle&word2=RDF+XML :-) 16:00:35 <SteveS_> SteveS_ has joined #ldp 16:00:52 <SteveS__> SteveS__ has joined #ldp 16:06:42 <gavinc> gavinc has joined #ldp 16:47:28 <SteveS> SteveS has joined #ldp 17:17:56 <Zakim> Zakim has left #ldp 17:44:59 <gavinc> 7am Monday morning telecons suck 18:40:57 <bblfish> bblfish has joined #ldp 19:23:59 <MacTed> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=RDF+Turtle&word2=%22RDF%2FXML%22 19:24:47 <MacTed> strange how Google doesn't count `"RDF/XML"` in the same way as it does `RDF XML`... 21:31:58 <johnlsheridan> johnlsheridan has joined #ldp 21:35:39 <LeeF> LeeF has joined #ldp 22:46:12 <bblfish> bblfish has joined #ldp 23:21:38 <bblfish> bblfish has joined #ldp 23:35:33 <SteveS> SteveS has joined #ldp # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. 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