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13:56:04 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference 13:56:04 <trackbot> Date: 06 August 2012 13:58:30 <ahaller2> apologies, will only be able to join via irc, no reliable internet connection nor telephone (holiday) 14:06:30 <AndyS> Scribenick: AndyS 14:06:42 <AndyS> scribe: Andy Seaborne 14:06:51 <AndyS> Topic: admin 14:07:21 <AndyS> Arnaud: mins from July 9 and July 23 14:07:32 <AndyS> ... http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-07-09 14:07:35 <mhausenblas> +1 14:07:39 <SteveS> +1 14:07:40 <krp> +1 14:07:41 <AndyS> ... http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-07-23 14:08:01 <AndyS> RESOLVED: Accept the minutes of July 9th 14:08:08 <Zakim> -??P30 14:08:11 <mhausenblas> +1 for 23 July 14:08:37 <Kalpa> I think it was about participants list for July 23rd 14:08:44 <Kalpa> I think it is solved now 14:08:46 <Kalpa> +1 14:08:55 <SteveS> +1 14:08:56 <AndyS> RESOLVED: Accept the minutes of July 23rd 14:08:57 <krp> +1 14:09:07 <ArthurK> ArthurK has joined #ldp 14:09:17 <AndyS> Topic: Action item review 14:09:48 <Zakim> + +1.512.651.aahh 14:10:03 <AndyS> Arnaud: pending ACTION-7 14:10:36 <AndyS> ... anyone can use the tracker - wiki style - any WG member(+team) 14:10:39 <ArthurK> Zakim +1.512.651.aahh is me 14:10:59 <AndyS> CLOSE Action-7 14:10:59 <trackbot> ACTION-7 Add a use case for authentication.authorization to the use case wiki page closed 14:11:08 <sandro> action-7? 14:11:09 <trackbot> ACTION-7 -- Erik Wilde to add a use case for authentication.authorization to the use case wiki page -- due 2012-07-30 -- CLOSED 14:11:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/7 14:11:40 <AndyS> ... (and UC edited just before meeting) 14:12:59 <mhausenblas> q+ to ask about the purpose of the exercise 14:13:35 <AndyS> ... and open action items action-4, action-5, action-6 14:13:36 <Reza> Identity, authorization, etc. may be fairly large in scope, is this scope we want to try to tackle or is it just a question of determining pointers to other standards, etc. for these features? I know other standardization efforts have passed on these. 14:13:46 <Arnaud> q? 14:13:46 <mhausenblas> q? 14:13:54 <AndyS> Regrets: Henry 14:13:58 <mhausenblas> ack me 14:13:58 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to ask about the purpose of the exercise 14:14:20 <Reza> +1 to mhausenblas 14:14:41 <AndyS> mhausenblas: authentication and authorization is not in the charter 14:14:48 <Zakim> +??P34 14:14:50 <Zakim> +??P2 14:14:56 <ericP> Zakim, ??P34 is me 14:14:56 <Zakim> +ericP; got it 14:14:57 <antonis> ??P34 is me 14:14:59 <dret> q+ 14:15:02 <AndyS> Arnaud: there is an item for a group note or requirements of such 14:15:08 <antonis> zakim, ??p2 is me 14:15:08 <Zakim> +antonis; got it 14:15:37 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy? 14:15:48 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: antonis (4%), Arnaud (10%), ericP (54%) 14:15:54 <krp> are we talking about having something akin to an IETF "Security Considerations" section in the spec? 14:15:56 <AndyS> (hard to hear Arnaud) 14:16:27 <antonis> sorry - still new to this.. and cant seem to hear anything 14:16:52 <krp> while out of scope for the group, it does seem having consideration of security is essential. i.e. there needs to be a viable solution to this 14:16:56 <AndyS> EriK: main point is that we think about integrating with existing technologies hence not about inventing, but "working with" 14:16:58 <Reza> q+ 14:17:10 <AndyS> ... together with patterns and requirements 14:17:37 <AndyS> ... starting point and recommendations for implementers/deployers. 14:18:17 <AndyS> mhausenblas: agree - typically IEFT "security considerations" 14:18:51 <AndyS> erik: see if we can go as far as stating a good way to link to specific frameworks. 14:18:53 <Arnaud> q? 14:18:58 <dret> q- 14:19:04 <AndyS> ack dret 14:19:18 <AndyS> ack Reza 14:19:36 <AndyS> Reza: what has been decided? 14:20:47 <AndyS> arnaud: we had people present existing technologies e.g. SPARQL Graph Store protocol. 14:20:55 <Zakim> +??P33 14:21:00 <AndyS> Reza: consensus so far? 14:21:10 <AndyS> arnaud: not yet - info gathering 14:21:13 <Reza> -q 14:21:20 <svillata> Zakim, ??P33 is me 14:21:21 <Zakim> +svillata; got it 14:21:26 <Reza> +q 14:22:36 <AndyS> Reza: prov-wg breaks up std into modules -- architecture decoupling : Data model query model, primer, (other) Was a good way to proceed. 14:23:03 <AndyS> .. can take technologies to see how they fit that structure. 14:23:07 <AndyS> ... can take technologies to see how they fit that structure. 14:23:23 <AndyS> arnaud: so far, we have no single way to proceed 14:23:42 <AndyS> (back to ACTION-7) 14:24:00 <AndyS> erik: you were asking about identification in UC 14:24:29 <AndyS> ... I didn't have a complicated idea underlying this other than global identification needs. 14:24:46 <AndyS> ... user name or handle 14:25:04 <AndyS> (open actions) 14:25:14 <AndyS> Topic: open actions 14:25:30 <AndyS> action-4, action-5, action-6 14:26:01 <Arnaud> ok 14:26:25 <AndyS> arnaud: Henry not here today 14:27:58 <Zakim> -antonis 14:28:40 <AndyS> ... SDshare ... mhausenblas ... could you review for us? 14:29:06 <AndyS> mhausenblas: sure ... maybe two weeks time. 14:29:09 <Zakim> +??P2 14:29:37 <antonis> zakim, ??P2 is me 14:29:37 <Zakim> +antonis; got it 14:29:55 <ahaller2_> ahaller2_ has joined #ldp 14:29:59 <mhausenblas> Action-6? 14:29:59 <trackbot> ACTION-6 -- Steve Speicher to review SDshare -- due 2012-08-21 -- OPEN 14:29:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/6 14:30:14 <sandro> action-6? 14:30:14 <trackbot> ACTION-6 -- Michael Hausenblas to review SDshare -- due 2012-08-21 -- OPEN 14:30:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/6 14:30:33 <AndyS> mhausenblas takes over action-6 14:30:50 <AndyS> Topic: next meeting 14:31:11 <AndyS> arnaud: next meeting in two weeks; 20 August 14:31:19 <AndyS> Topic: Face-to-face 14:31:33 <AndyS> November 1 and 2 at TPAC. 14:31:52 <AndyS> RDF-WG is Mon,Tue 14:32:19 <AndyS> ... we do not have an planned co-ordination meetings yet. 14:32:48 <AndyS> ... Oracle has offered a US location in NYC. 14:33:27 <AndyS> ... fun with timezones 14:33:59 <SteveS> at Lyon 14:34:21 <Ashok_Malhotra> I will be in Lyon 14:34:26 <AndyS> arnaud: please respond to email to confirm/not-confirm attendance 14:34:33 <sandro> I'll be at in Lyon 14:34:45 <svillata> I'll be in Lyon 14:34:49 <ArthurK> I will be in Lyon 14:34:53 <ericP> Lyon -- 80% 14:34:55 <AndyS> sandro: wiki for meeting - all details inc attendance, agenda etc etc 14:35:08 <antonis> 90% for me to be in Lyon 14:35:13 <ahaller2_> at Lyon 14:36:16 <AndyS> Reza: unclear how many would attend in NYC. Any? 14:36:27 <Ashok_Malhotra> Reza, I have to be in Lyon for other reasons 14:36:47 <Zakim> -??P4 14:36:51 <Zakim> -??P6 14:36:58 <ericP> Reza, how do you feel about showing up at 5am EST? 14:36:59 <AndyS> ACTION: Arnaud: set up wiki page for the F2F meeting 14:36:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-8 - Set up wiki page for the F2F meeting [on Arnaud Le Hors - due 2012-08-13]. 14:37:01 <Reza> Doesn't seem like anyone else needs to be in NYC, but in case there is, I can provide meeting place, etc. 14:37:14 <AndyS> Topic: UC+R 14:37:40 <AndyS> wiki page -- http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements 14:37:47 <AndyS> ... any WG member can add material 14:37:52 <AndyS> ... main focus for now 14:37:58 <AndyS> ... need to ensure coverage 14:38:43 <AndyS> ... there are different styles and levels of specificity 14:38:46 <SteveS> SteveS has joined #ldp 14:38:54 <SteveS> SteveS has joined #ldp 14:38:57 <Reza> @ericP - 5 AM is too early, but Ashok will rep Oracle in Lyon so I probably just won't attend. 14:39:17 <Reza> @ericP [meaning if there are no other people in NYC] 14:39:30 <AndyS> ... erik and arnaud would like to make consistent ... see agenda 14:39:47 <Arnaud> q? 14:39:54 <Reza> -q 14:41:07 <AndyS> erik: we looked at wiki page ... mixed - app driven - functional issues, not specific apps 14:41:12 <stevebattle> q+ 14:41:31 <AndyS> ... try to put into a single framework to assess 14:42:05 <mhausenblas> q+ to suggest to follow roughly http://www.w3.org/TR/rdb2rdf-ucr/ 14:42:29 <AndyS> ... Erik liked "media fragments" 14:42:55 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags-reqs/#use-cases 14:42:55 <krp> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags-reqs/#use-cases 14:42:59 <dret> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags-reqs/#use-cases 14:43:07 <Reza> We should be careful about not overlapping with other existing (and not-dead) standards: e.g. "Maintaining Social Contact Information" has at least some overlap with FOAF 14:43:08 <AndyS> ... section 4 14:43:34 <AndyS> q+ to ask about an editor 14:44:28 <AndyS> Erik: functional - scenarios using functional aspects. 14:44:38 <AndyS> ... how do we get from there from here? 14:44:49 <mhausenblas> q? 14:44:53 <mhausenblas> ack stevebattle 14:45:01 <mhausenblas> q? 14:45:46 <AndyS> stevebattle: UC here are end-to-end stories .. e.g. data catalogues Separate scenarios from the goals ... relabelling needed 14:45:47 <mhausenblas> ack me 14:45:47 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to suggest to follow roughly http://www.w3.org/TR/rdb2rdf-ucr/ 14:45:49 <stevebattle> q- 14:45:49 <AndyS> ack stevebattle 14:46:46 <AndyS> mhausenblas: I was there - was great but costly to produce RDB2RDF was lightly weight and learnt from the process in media fragments 14:47:10 <mhausenblas> q? 14:47:36 <AndyS> ... structure is UC with key feature sections 14:47:39 <AndyS> ack andys 14:47:39 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask about an editor 14:47:56 <AndyS> AndyS: Editor needed (sometime)? 14:48:22 <AndyS> arnaud: ericp suggested self-identification by wiki input 14:48:46 <AndyS> ... volunteers for UC+R doc ... two editors to share the load 14:49:12 <stevebattle> q+ # added afterwards: 14:50:00 <Arnaud> stevebattle would be happy to be editor for UC+R doc # 14:50:08 <AndyS> ack stevebattle 14:50:09 <SteveS> q+ 14:50:49 <AndyS> mhausenblas: could help with secondary editor role 14:50:49 <stevebattle> :) 14:50:56 <mhausenblas> q? 14:50:56 <SteveS> q- 14:51:05 <AndyS> steveS: could help with secondary editor role 14:51:06 <krp> I can put some time in to help some word wrangling in September, but not really before then (and hope to add a use case real soon now) 14:52:20 <Reza> +q 14:52:31 <AndyS> arnaud: Reze's point was overlap with existing work. 14:53:45 <AndyS> ack Reza 14:55:13 <AndyS> Reza: not too high level in the UC ... vague ... add solution specification (and note non-LD solutions? and partial overlaps). 14:55:26 <AndyS> arnaud: charter scope is useful here. # added afterwards: 14:50:00 <Arnaud> UC+R doc editors are: Steve Battle, Steve Speicher, Michael Hausenblas, Kevin Page # 14:55:47 <AndyS> topic: public comments 14:56:13 <AndyS> arnaud: Leigh aware we are listening. 14:56:30 <AndyS> ... more generally, we need to capture comments as issues in the tracker. 14:56:53 <AndyS> ... Martynas comments, pre-WG, a bit more unclear process-wise. 14:57:23 <AndyS> ... how do we handle public comments - what's good practice here? 14:57:25 <Reza> At least in Prov, public comments are gathered after first call. 14:58:35 <Reza> I think having public comments coming in during the development of spec is not productive to focus and delivery. I think it has to be done after some formalization, etc. of calls... 14:58:38 <sandro> +1 andy: at this point, we should be trying to engage the commenters -- it's not formal at this point 14:58:45 <AndyS> arnaud: at the moment, anyone can join discussion 14:59:37 <AndyS> ... we have the submission as starting point 15:00:03 <AndyS> SteveS: as editor, I can engage in discussion and cc WG. 15:00:52 <Arnaud> q? 15:00:55 <Zakim> - +1.512.651.aahh 15:00:59 <Reza> -q 15:01:03 <dret> thanks, arnaud! 15:01:09 <AndyS> ADJOURNED # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. DO NOT EDIT THIS LINE OR BELOW. SRCLINESUSED=00000304