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15:56:43 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 56 minutes ago
15:56:44 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:56:44 <trackbot> Date: 20 December 2012
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15:59:20 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
15:59:27 <Zakim> +hober
15:59:55 <Zakim> +Cooper
15:59:59 <Zakim> -Cooper
16:00:02 <chaals> sorry folks, I am running a few minutes late :( Be here in 3 I hope.
16:00:52 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:01:16 <Stevef> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
16:01:16 <Zakim> +Stevef; got it
16:01:25 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
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16:02:35 <Zakim> +Cooper
16:03:29 <Zakim> +??P7
16:04:04 <chaals> zakim, agenda?
16:04:04 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
16:04:27 <Zakim> -??P7
16:04:44 <Zakim> +Judy
16:04:49 <chaals> agenda+ Using ARIA in HTML http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/aria-unofficial/raw-file/tip/index.html  CFC http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Dec/0075.html
16:04:49 <chaals>  agenda+ Longdesc Extension Update (CfC currently has very few responses)
16:04:49 <chaals>  agenda+ Status of "alt" text in HTML (specification and usage in the
16:04:49 <chaals>  document)
16:04:49 <chaals>  agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; Text;
16:04:50 <chaals>  agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
16:04:50 <chaals>  agenda+ Other Business
16:04:50 <chaals>  agenda+ be done
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16:05:40 <chaals> zakim, [ipc is me
16:05:40 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
16:05:45 <chaals> Chair: chaals
16:05:48 <Judy> zakim, who's on the phone?
16:05:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see hober, Stevef, David_MacDonald, Cooper, Judy, chaals
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16:06:36 <Zakim> -chaals
16:07:06 <chaals> zakim, next agendum
16:07:06 <chaals> zakim, next agendum?
16:07:06 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Using ARIA in HTML http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/aria-unofficial/raw-file/tip/index.html  CFC http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Dec/0075.html" taken up
16:07:09 <Zakim> ... [from chaals]
16:07:09 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, chaals.
16:07:31 <Zakim> +??P13
16:07:39 <hober> Zakim, P13 is chaals
16:07:39 <Zakim> sorry, hober, I do not recognize a party named 'P13'
16:07:40 <chaals> zakim, ??p13 is me
16:07:40 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
16:09:04 <chaals> RESOLUTION: Request publication
16:09:20 <chaals> s/publication/publication of ARIA in HTML/
16:09:49 <chaals> ACTION: Stevef follow up with HTML WG on ARIA in HTML
16:09:49 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find Stevef. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/users>.
16:10:43 <chaals> scribe: chaals
16:10:50 <chaals> [who does what discussion]
16:11:08 <chaals> zakim, take up next agendum
16:11:08 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Longdesc Extension Update (CfC currently has very few responses)" taken up [from chaals]
16:11:29 <chaals> CMN: CfC doesn't have many responses - it would be nice ot have more.
16:12:23 <chaals> … one response form James Craig discussing the point about clarifying that longdesc applies to everything - says that isn't his point, he just doesn't want to use longdesc.
16:13:25 <chaals> … there is a technical point there, but his objection is wanting another spec. Don't see any objection on the technical point.
16:14:04 <chaals> SF: Imagine people who want to make longdesc obsolete but conforming make their point in HTML WG. That would presumably imply an alternative proposal.
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16:16:33 <chaals1> zakim, [ipc is me
16:16:33 <Zakim> +chaals1; got it
16:17:49 <chaals1> zakim, next agendum?
16:17:49 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, chaals1.
16:17:56 <chaals1> zakim, take up next agendum
16:17:58 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Status of "alt" text in HTML (specification and usage in the" taken up [from chaals]
16:18:05 <Stevef> agree with chaals, let people make constructive counter proposals if they want to step up and do so
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16:19:45 <Zakim> +??P0
16:20:01 <chaals> ??p0
16:20:01 <chaals> zakim, ??p0 is me
16:20:01 <Zakim> +chaals; got it
16:20:51 <chaals> CMN: Where we are up to is the HTML chairs and editors are waiting for us to file the bugs in HTML WG so they can work through them.
16:21:41 <chaals> … They have a decision which requests gidance in the spec, but the guidance that is there can be discussed, so as far as I can tell, that is what we should be doing.
16:21:49 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
16:22:03 <Stevef> +1 to chaals
16:22:11 <chaals> … in theory we could try to re-open ISSUE-31, but that seems both painful and unnecessary.
16:22:18 <Judy> q+
16:22:25 <chaals> ack Judy
16:22:48 <chaals> JB: Regards processing individual bugs, would do that in HTML WG.
16:23:23 <Stevef> q+
16:23:30 <chaals> … there may be a pending coordination question on how much can be done where, think it would be good for TF chairs and HTML editors to have a quick chat. Avoiding reopening ISSUE-31 would be of value to humanity.
16:23:34 <chaals> ack ste
16:24:30 <chaals> SF: I have filed 4 bugs on alt issues. All except 1 are not in section 4.8 but in surrounding sections. Purely on examples they have, using title attribute.
16:25:35 <chaals> CMN: So we need to get on with filing the bugs, and getting them dealt with.
16:26:00 <chaals> EO'C: (makes chaals laugh. Luckily, chaals was muted).
16:26:47 <Judy> q+
16:26:49 <chaals> … Yep. File, and follow up… I don;t think there is a big problem here, just a question of work.
16:26:52 <chaals> ack ju
16:27:09 <chaals> JB: Undertsand Robin Berjon has this task among the editors...
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16:27:34 <chaals> EO'C: He has assigned them to himself. But bugs can be passed around the editors if needed.
16:27:54 <chaals> zakim, take up next agendum
16:27:54 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; Text;" taken up [from chaals]
16:27:58 <Zakim> +??P3
16:28:20 <chaals> zakim, ??p3 is janina
16:28:20 <Zakim> +janina; got it
16:28:49 <chaals> JB: Text subteam got swamped by holidays. Next meeting Jan 8
16:29:17 <chaals> … will start processing bugs tagged "text" at that point.
16:29:41 <chaals> … have processing question about bugs that are being deferred to A11yTF or HTML 5.1
16:30:39 <chaals> … Ted, is that something editors have a preference about? E.g. bugs previously closed as WONTFIX that A11yTF think shouldbe fixed, but presumably not in HTML5.0
16:30:55 <chaals> … We couldn't find good classification.
16:31:40 <chaals> EO'C: Things resolved as "later" are usually being opened on HTML.next - if things fall off our radar, move them there and open them.
16:32:33 <chaals> … If you think there is work to be done in the TF I think it would be valuable to have a component in Bugzilla - perhaps something will become an extension spec but we don't know a priori. We should ask Team contacts to create a component for A11yTF.
16:33:33 <chaals> … There are bugs where TF disagrees with original resolution. I think re-opening is the right thing to do, and you should double-check the assignee to make sure it is one of the current editors. Editors have been trawling through this stuff, and picking up bugs assigned to dave.null
16:34:09 <chaals> … so assigning to dave.null gets it into the editor's "pick list"
16:35:07 <chaals> JB: Not sure how many of these last we found. Don't think we picked up "Later" bugs… how to clarify?
16:35:23 <chaals> EO'C: There is HTML.next component, and "later" as a resolution.
16:35:59 <chaals> … there will now be things that get done for 5.1 and things that should happen after that, so there will need to be a classification.
16:36:20 <chaals> … Things resolved "later" that need to be noticed should be re-opened with the right component.
16:37:01 <chaals> zakim, next agendum
16:37:01 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open" taken up [from chaals]
16:37:41 <chaals> CMN: All my actions are outstanding still :(
16:38:56 <chaals> ACTION-a42?
16:39:01 <chaals> ACTION-142
16:39:06 <chaals> ACTION-142?
16:39:06 <trackbot> ACTION-142 -- Cynthia Shelly to file HTML bug about methods that should fail when an element has @hidden set -- due 2012-10-11 -- OPEN
16:39:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/142
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16:40:27 <chaals1> zakim, [ipc is me
16:40:27 <Zakim> +chaals1; got it
16:41:08 <chaals> zakim, take up next agendum
16:41:08 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Other Business" taken up [from chaals]
16:42:10 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
16:42:23 <Zakim> -hober
16:42:24 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
16:42:25 <Zakim> -Judy
16:42:31 <Zakim> -Stevef
16:42:32 <Zakim> -janina
16:42:32 <Zakim> -chaals1
16:42:33 <Zakim> -Cooper
16:42:34 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
16:42:34 <Zakim> Attendees were hober, Cooper, Stevef, David_MacDonald, Judy, [IPcaller], chaals, chaals1, Cynthia_Shelly, janina
16:42:47 <chaals> [Adjourned - Thanks all, have a good break]
16:42:58 <chaals> rrsagent, make log public
16:43:04 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:43:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/20-html-a11y-minutes.html chaals
16:43:42 <chaals> zakim, chaals1 is chaals
16:43:43 <Zakim> sorry, chaals, I do not recognize a party named 'chaals1'
16:43:52 <chaals> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:43:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/20-html-a11y-minutes.html chaals
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